ST3V Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 "A Passage To Bangkok" and "Tears" are 2 standouts for me from the album 2112. But the one everyone on this entire frickin' planet seems to love is 2112 the song. Anywhere I go, everyone seems to think 2112 is so amazing, and that it's such a masterpiece! But I see it differently. I've listened to it maybe about 8 or 9 times and I just can't seem to like it nearly as much as most do.The big exciting parts, aren't really all that exciting for me and they seem like sort of stereotypical riffs that don't really sound all that special. Plus I think the slow and quiet parts just drag on way too long. My favorite part of 2112 is probably Overture because it actually draws me in, but most of the rest of it isn't all too amazing. I just feel Alex's playing wasn't nearly as imaginative as most other Rush songs. Neil's drumming never really stood out to me either. Geddy kills it on his great sounding Rickenbacker, though.The story on the other hand is a bit interesting, and the songwriting is good, that's not really a problem. Does anyone else feel this way, or is there something wrong with me? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 8 or 9 times is not enough times to throughly digest a song of that lenght imo I recommend listening to 2112 on all the worlds a stage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don’t care for Temples really that much. Though - thinking now— did they invent the metal “gallop”? I love the rest of the suite though. Listening in my bedroom on headphones was a cinematic experience. However I can understand there not being as much of an impact these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Nothing is wrong with anyone for liking or not liking a piece of music.I Even so, 2112, with the Overture, Temples, and Grand Finale, packs more of the greatness of Rush into one song than perhaps anything in their catalog. Even including the too slow parts, I don't think it will ever leave the top 3 for me, because of the transcendence of the three aforementioned sections. Even after a couple thousand listens, it demands attention and makes the spirit soar. I can't imagine Rush without it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Nothing is wrong with anyone for liking or not liking a piece of music.I Even so, 2112, with the Overture, Temples, and Grand Finale, packs more of the greatness of Rush into one song than perhaps anything in their catalog. Even including the too slow parts, I don't think it will ever leave the top 3 for me, because of the transcendence of the three aforementioned sections. Even after a couple thousand listens, it demands attention and makes the spirit soar. I can't imagine Rush without it. Agreed...I remember the first time I ever heard the song, and I thought Temples was the most brilliant, and the heaviest thing I had ever heard. I still feel that way about the latter part of that statement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it and b) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don’t care for Temples really that much. Though - thinking now— did they invent the metal “gallop”? Styx and Priest used it early as well 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most do Perfectly acceptable. Different hearts beat on different strings. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 "A Passage To Bangkok" and "Tears" are 2 standouts for me from the album 2112. But the one everyone on this entire frickin' planet seems to love is 2112 the song. Anywhere I go, everyone seems to think 2112 is so amazing, and that it's such a masterpiece! But I see it differently. I've listened to it maybe about 8 or 9 times and I just can't seem to like it nearly as much as most do.The big exciting parts, aren't really all that exciting for me and they seem like sort of stereotypical riffs that don't really sound all that special. Plus I think the slow and quiet parts just drag on way too long. My favorite part of 2112 is probably Overture because it actually draws me in, but most of the rest of it isn't all too amazing. I just feel Alex's playing wasn't nearly as imaginative as most other Rush songs. Neil's drumming never really stood out to me either. Geddy kills it on his great sounding Rickenbacker, though.The story on the other hand is a bit interesting, and the songwriting is good, that's not really a problem. Does anyone else feel this way, or is there something wrong with me? [timidly raises hand among TrueRushFans] I don't like 2112 at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? My father has Rush Chronicles CD. I got a CD player when I was about 10 and fell in love with pretty much the whole thing. I'd play Limelight, Show Don't Tell, and The Spirit of Radio countless times before going to bed, I remember. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? My father has Rush Chronicles CD. I got a CD player when I was about 10 and fell in love with pretty much the whole thing. I'd play Limelight, Show Don't Tell, and The Spirit of Radio countless times before going to bed, I remember.Makes a lot of sense, then. I love the first half of the 2112 epic, Overture thru Presentation. After that, I generally lose interest. Overture/Temples is especially epic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? My father has Rush Chronicles CD. I got a CD player when I was about 10 and fell in love with pretty much the whole thing. I'd play Limelight, Show Don't Tell, and The Spirit of Radio countless times before going to bed, I remember.Makes a lot of sense, then. I love the first half of the 2112 epic, Overture thru Presentation. After that, I generally lose interest. Overture/Temples is especially epic. That seems to be the same with me. Discovery seems to be a slow part for me though, not a real fan but yeah Overture, Syrinx, and Presentation are pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? AFTK is a troublesome listen. Xanadu is incredible, but I struggle with the rest of the album. It feels slightly uncooked - and the playing is just weird and frantic. The title track, CTTH and Cygnus are potentially incredible songs, but they don’t quite get there. I get it though - they were changing as song writers, challenging themselves. Hemispheres showcases their song craft much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 If it wasn't for the song 2112 I would not have a login for this site.Or have been to nearly 20 Rush gigs.And my life's soundtrack would be totally different. 'nuff said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? AFTK is a troublesome listen. Xanadu is incredible, but I struggle with the rest of the album. It feels slightly uncooked - and the playing is just weird and frantic. The title track, CTTH and Cygnus are potentially incredible songs, but they don’t quite get there. I get it though - they were changing as song writers, challenging themselves. Hemispheres showcases their song craft much better.Agreed. Kings is ambitious, but a bit of a mess to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 If it wasn't for the song 2112 I would not have a login for this site.Or have been to nearly 20 Rush gigs.And my life's soundtrack would be totally different. 'nuff said.:ebert: The original vinyl was mesmerizing in my youth. I adore side B. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek19 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) "A Passage To Bangkok" and "Tears" are 2 standouts for me from the album 2112. But the one everyone on this entire frickin' planet seems to love is 2112 the song. Anywhere I go, everyone seems to think 2112 is so amazing, and that it's such a masterpiece! But I see it differently. I've listened to it maybe about 8 or 9 times and I just can't seem to like it nearly as much as most do.The big exciting parts, aren't really all that exciting for me and they seem like sort of stereotypical riffs that don't really sound all that special. Plus I think the slow and quiet parts just drag on way too long. My favorite part of 2112 is probably Overture because it actually draws me in, but most of the rest of it isn't all too amazing. I just feel Alex's playing wasn't nearly as imaginative as most other Rush songs. Neil's drumming never really stood out to me either. Geddy kills it on his great sounding Rickenbacker, though.The story on the other hand is a bit interesting, and the songwriting is good, that's not really a problem. Does anyone else feel this way, or is there something wrong with me? With, and if not liking Rush's song 2112 nearly as much as some other people do, there hasn't been, and isn't something, and anything wrong. There are people, who may not've listened to any of Rush's other material of songs, and music, so they may not have been familiar about the rest of their studio material, and only recognize some of it, and certain of it because of various, and different reasons like time, and growing up. Laugh, to what I've said, I've appreciated that you decided to say "Well said". Edited December 29, 2019 by Derek19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 "A Passage To Bangkok" and "Tears" are 2 standouts for me from the album 2112. But the one everyone on this entire frickin' planet seems to love is 2112 the song. Anywhere I go, everyone seems to think 2112 is so amazing, and that it's such a masterpiece! But I see it differently. I've listened to it maybe about 8 or 9 times and I just can't seem to like it nearly as much as most do.The big exciting parts, aren't really all that exciting for me and they seem like sort of stereotypical riffs that don't really sound all that special. Plus I think the slow and quiet parts just drag on way too long. My favorite part of 2112 is probably Overture because it actually draws me in, but most of the rest of it isn't all too amazing. I just feel Alex's playing wasn't nearly as imaginative as most other Rush songs. Neil's drumming never really stood out to me either. Geddy kills it on his great sounding Rickenbacker, though.The story on the other hand is a bit interesting, and the songwriting is good, that's not really a problem. Does anyone else feel this way, or is there something wrong with me? With, and if not liking Rush's song 2112 nearly as much as some other people do, there hasn't been, and isn't something, and anything wrong. There are people, who may not've listened to any of Rush's other material of songs, and music, so they may not have been familiar about the rest of their studio output, and only recognize some of it, and certain material because of various, and different reasons like time, and growing up.Well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taurus Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I don’t care for Temples really that much. Though - thinking now— did they invent the metal “gallop”? I love the rest of the suite though. Listening in my bedroom on headphones was a cinematic experience. However I can understand there not being as much of an impact these days. see - Deep Purple 1970 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 If it wasn't for the song 2112 I would not have a login for this site.Or have been to nearly 20 Rush gigs.And my life's soundtrack would be totally different. 'nuff said.:ebert: The original vinyl was mesmerizing in my youth. I adore side B.Well played...well played :cheers: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? AFTK is a troublesome listen. Xanadu is incredible, but I struggle with the rest of the album. It feels slightly uncooked - and the playing is just weird and frantic. The title track, CTTH and Cygnus are potentially incredible songs, but they don’t quite get there. I get it though - they were changing as song writers, challenging themselves. Hemispheres showcases their song craft much better.Agreed. Kings is ambitious, but a bit of a mess to my ears. I think AFTK is amazing, probably would be my favorite Rush album if not for Moving Pictures... But perhaps this is a conversation for another thread? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) I prefer the lesser-known sequel "2116: Make The Solar Federation Great Again". #spaceforce Edited December 29, 2019 by edhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 a) you don't get it andb) you don't the level of risk they took at the time to put out 2112. it was the make or break album. It was a giant f**k you turned up to 10.No, I totally understand the tension at the time after Caress Of Steel bombed. I've read about the risk and all the time it took, and I'm glad it turned out for the best to get Rush rollin. I understand the backstory and what went into it, but it's just decent to me, that's all. I just don't like it as much as most doIt's understanding to me. It's like the Kings album with me. I didn't hear it till later, and it's never impressed me. I generally prefer the straight ahead rocking RUSH more. How were you introduced to RUSH? AFTK is a troublesome listen. Xanadu is incredible, but I struggle with the rest of the album. It feels slightly uncooked - and the playing is just weird and frantic. The title track, CTTH and Cygnus are potentially incredible songs, but they don’t quite get there. I get it though - they were changing as song writers, challenging themselves. Hemispheres showcases their song craft much better.Agreed. Kings is ambitious, but a bit of a mess to my ears. I think AFTK is amazing, probably would be my favorite Rush album if not for Moving Pictures... But perhaps this is a conversation for another thread?Well, the point is that it's a matter of taste. I love the debut, Caress of Steel, 2112 side 2, PWaves. And I like side B of Hemispheres far more than side A. If you like RUSH's riskier (but less successful, imo) attempts at art-rock, then Kings and Hemi side A fit that bill. The second half of the 2112 epic as well, perhaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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