Permanent-Rush Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Victor is a great solo album and I am sick and tired of people saying things like: Victor should have been an instrumental album Victor is shit Alex should of not have been speeking in some of the songs He should of chose a different singer His wife should not of sang on Start Today Victor is garbage ETC Even though Victor is about a guy who has mental issues and kills his wife, it Is still a great album IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It's too derivative and lacks any replay value IMHO Alex was what, like 42 or 43 years old at the time, and he's making a record full of riffs that sound like what every cliché band was doing at that moment .... It's one thing when he's 21 years old and has some Jimmy Page in him, but Rush became such a creative force by the time the 80s rolled around, and Alex's input and parts was so important to those songs - to the Rush vibe .. It's just really disappointing to me .. If it's what he wanted, great - but there's gotta be something in it for me, and there was nothing 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It's too derivative and lacks any replay value IMHO Alex was what, like 42 or 43 years old at the time, and he's making a record full of riffs that sound like what every cliché band was doing at that moment .... It's one thing when he's 21 years old and has some Jimmy Page in him, but Rush became such a creative force by the time the 80s rolled around, and Alex's input and parts was so important to those songs - to the Rush vibe .. It's just really disappointing to me .. If it's what he wanted, great - but there's gotta be something in it for me, and there was nothing I agree. It could have been something amazing and it ended up like that drunken bonfire video. It's like he just wanted to screw around, but why release it if it isn't at least up to the quality of a Rush record. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Yep, the album has some high points, but in the end it's just too weird. Speaking of solo albums, now might be a perfect time for both Ged and Alex to do solo record number two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It's not hate it's just reality. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 That's not Alex's wife on Start Today. :laughing guy: Dalbello sounding like a young Geddy on that song is about the only good part of the album though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I don't hate it; it's not like I play it all the time, and yes, it is a little strange in places, but for the most part, I do like it. My favorite track is Shut Up Shuttin Up, with Charlene and Esther. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnnyBlaze Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Dear Ms.74, It deeply saddens me to hear that others would dare share their opinions and drive you to being sick and tired. I believe every living being on Earth should automatically know what you are thinking at all times. Additionally, if their ideas or opinions differ from yours, they should immediately switch to thoughts which are in alignment with yours. Fortunately, I am sympathetic to your problem and offer my assistance. Please write a list of all the things (whether they're Rush-related or not) that make you sick and tired. I will then take this list and eliminate all of those oppositional TRFer thoughts. Do not worry about how I can do it, just understand that I can. But let's just say my powers of mental telepathy extend into manipulation. Also, do not worry how you can repay me. I will do it because fairness dictates that everyone agrees with you 100% at all times. Sincerely, Zarathos, the demon who possesses JohnnyBlaze 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucey Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 f**k it, I'm gonna listen to it live, I've forgotten most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I've forgotten most of it.Many here would say you're lucky! But I guess I shouldn't say that, someone might get sick and tired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I like it...it's much better than that bland piece of shite MFH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 If someone (like me) does not like Edwin's voice on Victor, and than another persons asks what the people reading think about Victor, should I not answer- "I don't like Edwin's voice on Victor"? I also said that I liked Alex tinkering around and trying new things. I won't say he shouldn't have released it because like you he probably liked it. That's fine by me. I love things others don't and they love things I don't. I think most of his tinkering didn't work. But some of it did. I think I'd like the album if it had been instrumental. At least I'd think it was okay. These are not personal points of contention, they are subjective issues that matter nothing at all. I imagine Alex wanted people to like the album, and I suppose it's sad if people don't. But it isn't personal and it doesn't actually hurt anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ummm, because I hate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucey Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Well, I've had a listen, and I actually like some of the songs (Strip and Go Naked in particular). It is a bit weird at times I will admit, I'm not best keen on the vocals, but I think I prefer it just a tad over MFH, it's a little more adventurous. As others have said before, both of the albums highlight why Alex and Geddy need each other musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. JD Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I think it gets all the hate because it's not very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) I wasn't aware that there was this huge wave of hate for the album. But I also don't read any of the discussion about it on here because I didn't care about it when it was released and I don't care about it now. Unless Alex decides to continue this project in the future, I see no point of paying attention to what amounts to some random one off thing he did. Edited September 8, 2016 by J2112YYZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I wasn't aware that there was this huge wave of hate for the album. But I also don't read any of the discussion about it on here because I didn't care about it when it was released and I don't care about it now. Unless Alex decides to continue this project in the future, I see no point of paying attention to what amounts to some random one off thing he did.There isn't a huge wave of hate. In the other MFH vs Victor thread, some hated Victor, some liked it, but most were saying positive & negative things about it. Surrender only seems to remember the negative stuff. And the nonsense of saying "I'm tired of people saying it's shit" only ONE person in the other thread said it's shit. But even if it were 20 or 200 hating it, so what? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil1972 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) It's too derivative and lacks any replay value IMHO Alex was what, like 42 or 43 years old at the time, and he's making a record full of riffs that sound like what every cliché band was doing at that moment .... It's one thing when he's 21 years old and has some Jimmy Page in him, but Rush became such a creative force by the time the 80s rolled around, and Alex's input and parts was so important to those songs - to the Rush vibe .. It's just really disappointing to me .. If it's what he wanted, great - but there's gotta be something in it for me, and there was nothing I agree. It could have been something amazing and it ended up like that drunken bonfire video. It's like he just wanted to screw around, but why release it if it isn't at least up to the quality of a Rush record. Vanity project. Pure and simple. Go back and read Al's interviews at the time it was released. He was trying to prove to himself he could do it all on his own. And he admitted that when it came time to record T4E his heart initially was not in it and I think he wanted to continue working solo for awhile before returning to Rush. Then Neil's tragedies happened and it derailed everything. He said he did not want to listen to music or make music during that hiatus. Then when Neil returned, Al seized on the opportunity to inject VT with things he learned while making Victor. For whatever reason, by the time of VT he abandoned the idea of solo work and channeled it into VT. IMO of course. Edited September 8, 2016 by Wil1972 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It's too derivative and lacks any replay value IMHO Alex was what, like 42 or 43 years old at the time, and he's making a record full of riffs that sound like what every cliché band was doing at that moment .... It's one thing when he's 21 years old and has some Jimmy Page in him, but Rush became such a creative force by the time the 80s rolled around, and Alex's input and parts was so important to those songs - to the Rush vibe .. It's just really disappointing to me .. If it's what he wanted, great - but there's gotta be something in it for me, and there was nothing I agree. It could have been something amazing and it ended up like that drunken bonfire video. It's like he just wanted to screw around, but why release it if it isn't at least up to the quality of a Rush record. Vanity project. Pure and simple. Go back and read Al's interviews at the time it was released. He was trying to prove to himself he could do it all on his own. And he admitted that when it came time to record T4E his heart initially was not in it and I think he wanted to continue working solo for awhile before returning to Rush. Then Neil's tragedies happened and it derailed everything. He said he did not want to listen to music or make music during that hiatus. Then when Neil returned, Al seized on the opportunity to inject VT with things he learned while making Victor. For whatever reason, by the time of VT he abandoned the idea of solo work and channeled it into VT. IMO of course. This perspective makes loads of sense to me. I've got to dig out my copy of Victor and have another listen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Some more perspective I've just learned. According to her profile page, Surrender is only FIFTEEN! You're debating with a teenage girl folks. This is coming to mind.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Some more perspective I've just learned. According to her profile page, Surrender is only FIFTEEN! You're debating with a teenage girl folks. This is coming to mind.... We've known that she's 15 since she joined here. Everyone is well aware of who they're talking to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil1972 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Some more perspective I've just learned. According to her profile page, Surrender is only FIFTEEN! You're debating with a teenage girl folks. This is coming to mind.... Not all 15 year olds are bubble-headed morons. I have a 12 year old stepdaughter who could probably hold her own with a lot of adults when discussing certain topics. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Some more perspective I've just learned. According to her profile page, Surrender is only FIFTEEN! You're debating with a teenage girl folks. This is coming to mind.... Not all 15 year olds are bubble-headed morons. I have a 12 year old stepdaughter who could probably hold her own with a lot of adults when discussing certain topics.Exactly. Besides, nobody's really debating anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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