EagleMoon Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really? Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?Try listening to the newest alum by Black Sabbath. Bill Ward isn't there and you can definitely tell. There's something completely lost without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really? Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance. Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really? Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance. Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion. Tell me how you legitimately backed anything up with facts and I'll give your comment due consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) All this arguing is starting to make Apocalypse Now feel like a rom com! Let Neil retire. All who say otherwise are even more selfish than what they accuse him of being. A man wants to live his life. A bunch of nobodies who claim to love his art boo and hiss. Meh. Edited October 26, 2015 by Segue Myles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Neil can retire and never pick up another stick and I am all for it. Having said that if the Ged and Al want to make and play some more music I am cool with that too. I don't get the problem with that? Sentimentality aside, life goes on... :) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Neil can retire and never pick up another stick and I am all for it. Having said that if the Ged and Al want to make and play some more music I am cool with that too. I don't get the problem with that? Sentimentality aside, life goes on... :) :goodone: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Neil can retire and never pick up another stick and I am all for it. Having said that if the Ged and Al want to make and play some more music I am cool with that too. I don't get the problem with that? Sentimentality aside, life goes on... :) I completely agree! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Neil can retire and never pick up another stick and I am all for it. Having said that if the Ged and Al want to make and play some more music I am cool with that too. I don't get the problem with that? Sentimentality aside, life goes on... :) I completely agree! The same old cry and whinge huehuehue. Poor Fraroc...lol. I do have to say that selfishly speaking I wish they came to the UK just once this year. But I do think if they are ready to step down, as individuals or as a group (or both), then good for them. Whiny fanboys be damned haha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?Try listening to the newest alum by Black Sabbath. Bill Ward isn't there and you can definitely tell. There's something completely lost without him I thought Wilk did an outstanding job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 All this arguing is starting to make Apocalypse Now feel like a rom com Geddy don't surf!! I love the smell of malignant narcissism in the morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really? Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance. Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion. Tell me how you legitimately backed anything up with facts and I'll give your comment due consideration. 1. Neil didn't write any guitar or keyboard parts 2. The drum parts he wrote would in the vast majority have been inserted around the music that Geddy and Alex wrote 3. On almost every Rush album sleeve is the legend "music by Lee/Lifeson, lyrics by Peart. Ergo, he would be the easiest (only) member that could be replaced...not saying they will or even should do that, but I see no reason why they still couldn't e called Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 All this arguing is starting to make Apocalypse Now feel like a rom com Geddy don't surf!! I love the smell of malignant narcissism in the morning. This was how it was originally scripted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really? Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance. Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion. Tell me how you legitimately backed anything up with facts and I'll give your comment due consideration. 1. Neil didn't write any guitar or keyboard parts 2. The drum parts he wrote would in the vast majority have been inserted around the music that Geddy and Alex wrote 3. On almost every Rush album sleeve is the legend "music by Lee/Lifeson, lyrics by Peart. Ergo, he would be the easiest (only) member that could be replaced...not saying they will or even should do that, but I see no reason why they still couldn't e called Rush. It wouldn't have the same feel to it. It's like bass players who buy Geddy's signature bass, and get all of the same gear and yet they wonder why they don't sound like him. They could get another drummer, but it would be a different band. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I honestly believe that they're more than just bandmates now, they're friends first. I don't think any of them would want to tour without the other two. I personally would be okay if Geddy and Alex toured without Neil, but I really don't think they want to. I could be totally wrong of course, but that's the impression I get from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is Neil's problem, he thinks that everyone will magically be fine with whatever decision he's going to make. Whether it's his fans or bandmates, it doesn't matter, what Neil wants, Neil gets. I shouldn't be too surprised that he's like this, seeing as how the song Anthem and Something For Nothing sort of summarizes his position on life. "Only your opinion matters, it's your life, do what you want." but is it a bad thing to have things done more democratically? Keep the opinions of people close to you in mind? That's what annoys me about Rush ending it. This was NOT a democratic decision amongst the trio, this was all Neil. And why should Neil not be allowed to make that decision? He isn't obligated to do anything against his will. He has done plenty for music, art and his fans. It would be selfish of Geddy and Alex to force him out on the road. It works both ways. This is all a group decision and they still love each other. You need to move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Oy Fraroc. your giving me grey hairs. i'm inclined to believe it was Neil. but how do any of us know. were you or I in the meeting? Did Neil Call you and say hey Fraroc...........i hate my band and you and TRF can suck me. No.........the point is........WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE!!!!!!!! lol Could have been ged or Al........just maybe. Just claws in bud, lol Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The future of the band is uncertain. It's very likely that their last show was August 1, 2015. Most of this falls on Neil wanting to retire while the rest of the band are still interested in continuing on. Though the question itself may carry some bias, I'd like to see what the rest of you think. Kinda, but not for wanting to retire. He's got a young daughter and an ailing body. But that doesn't mean he's not kinda a selfish prick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Of course he is a selfish prick - but that why we all love him, love his contributions to not only RUSH, but to the music world and to our own lives .. You cannot remove the prick from the man and have the same outcome ... Neil joined a rock and roll band back in 1974 - a time when nobody was writing about individualism or the rights of self, much less touting the philosophies of Ayn Rand ... In fact, this kid who worked in a tractor parts store gave an entire industry the middle finger when he joined RUSH and began writing about what HE believed in - HIMSELF and his music .. We're understandably disappointed ... but we are disappointed because this prick means more to us than the typical bull****ing musician Neil, you selfish prick, thank you for your inspiration and great times - and the music that will live forever Now go enjoy yourself You've earned it . . Edited October 26, 2015 by Lucas 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 No...and to think so is kinda, well...prickish.And dickish...Welcome back, Narps! And no, I don't think Neil is selfish about not touring any longer; shoulder problems are terrible. I sometimes think his writings on religion are strange but that wasn't the question! :)Thanks darlin... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo...... As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something? And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it? Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose. Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line. However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow. You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously? Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean. Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them. I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really? Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance. Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion. Tell me how you legitimately backed anything up with facts and I'll give your comment due consideration. 1. Neil didn't write any guitar or keyboard parts 2. The drum parts he wrote would in the vast majority have been inserted around the music that Geddy and Alex wrote 3. On almost every Rush album sleeve is the legend "music by Lee/Lifeson, lyrics by Peart. Ergo, he would be the easiest (only) member that could be replaced...not saying they will or even should do that, but I see no reason why they still couldn't e called Rush. It wouldn't have the same feel to it. It's like bass players who buy Geddy's signature bass, and get all of the same gear and yet they wonder why they don't sound like him. They could get another drummer, but it would be a different band. I never said it would be the same, in fact I qualified my statement by saying that it wouldn't...My contention is that if there was the will, then the band could survive with a replacement for Neil...whether the will is there or not is an entirely different argument. However, if Geddy or Alex jacked it in then game over....whatever Neils contribution, they are the songwriting "engine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Meanwhile Pratt is completely oblivious to this debate, and is off happily living his life. To which we are all entitled. Time to move on. Edited October 26, 2015 by grep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthemic Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Meanwhile Pratt is completely oblivious to this debate, and is off happily living his life. and your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Meanwhile Pratt is completely oblivious to this debate, and is off happily living his life. and your point is?Check the edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Meanwhile Pratt is completely oblivious to this debate, and is off happily living his life. and your point is? I believe his point is that our "debate" is meaningless. Geddy, Alex and Neil are living their lives, and they are completely unaware of and unaffected by our bickering. We should drop it and move on, as it's not doing us any good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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