What gives with these concert setlists?

[goose]

I can agree that Presto sucks almost entirely,

Turn in your RUSH card. :tsk:

Holy Sh*t your post got three likes! Does that imply that three people not only agree with you, but also like Presto? Jesus Christ I think I'm gonna be sick.

:D

[puffyshirt]

Presto's a hell of a lot better than T4E. At least Presto has The Pass and Show Don't Tell. T4E peaks with...blech...Driven

[coventry]

Presto's a hell of a lot better than T4E. At least Presto has The Pass and Show Don't Tell. T4E peaks with...blech...Driven

 

Presto has a few hidden gems. The songwriting is good and the melodic hooks are stronger than on several other albums. "Presto", "Scars", and "The Pass" in particular are some of Rush's better melodic compositions from that period.

[Disk98]

I can agree that Presto sucks almost entirely,

Turn in your RUSH card. :tsk:

Holy Sh*t your post got three likes! Does that imply that three people not only agree with you, but also like Presto? Jesus Christ I think I'm gonna be sick.

I don't know, Presto isn't all bad. "Show Don't Tell" and "The Pass" are masterpieces!

[Czarcasm]

Presto's a hell of a lot better than T4E. At least Presto has The Pass and Show Don't Tell. T4E peaks with...blech...Driven

 

If you're in lousy mood, I find that Half the World, Colour of Right, Totem, Resist, Limbo and Carve Away the Stone provide soothing and relaxing tunes to unwind by. I think of it like Rush's chicken noodle soup album. The songs are unoffensive, positive mainly and provide a comfy inviting atmosphere. However it combines this with a hard rock edge and manages to be a relaxing album to me while also being one of their best outings as a genuine power trio. It does this while not sounding sappy and pop-y like Presto does. To me, the two are incomparable. The song writing (not lyrics) on presto is worse. I will always stand by that.

 

This could just be me however.

[Czarcasm]

Presto's a hell of a lot better than T4E. At least Presto has The Pass and Show Don't Tell. T4E peaks with...blech...Driven

 

Presto has a few hidden gems. The songwriting is good and the melodic hooks are stronger than on several other albums. "Presto", "Scars", and "The Pass" in particular are some of Rush's better melodic compositions from that period.

While I will agree with you on Scars, which is my favourite song from that album, I've always found the pass to be a little melodramatic and it doesn't go anywhere does it? It's just that same "DUN- DUN, DUN-DUN-- DING... tick tick DUN-DUN, DUN, DUN-- DING only for around 4 minutes. Presto is nice but the opening sounds very cheesy to me and hearing Geddy sing "If I could wave my magic wand~~" and "I'm not one to believe in magic" Make me cringe a little everytime. Lets just say that I wouldn't play presto for company if they wanted to know what my favourite band was.

[Czarcasm]

Presto's a hell of a lot better than T4E. At least Presto has The Pass and Show Don't Tell. T4E peaks with...blech...Driven

I just wanted to reiterate that it does NOT peak at driven.

Smoke some of da ganja and listen to the solo break on Totem really loud. Or listen to the intricacies of Limbo on headphones. The acoustic solo on half the world is very pleasing also.

 

I seriously think this album gets a bad rap for no reason. It's no a very cohesive album I find and works better on a song by song basis, but it has some genuinely beautiful moments if you approach it openly and really listen to what every band member is doing.

[losingit2k]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

[Tombstone Mountain]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

Great summation. Available light ranks higher for me though

[losingit2k]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

Great summation. Available light ranks higher for me though

It does for me too but I didn't want to create a separate category for it alone. I guess it would be somewhere between Good and Great or: Excellent? Edited November 30, 2013 by losingit2k

[Disk98]

Where's My Thing? is off RTB, actually.

[ALifeson85]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

 

*ahem* Where's My Thing? is on Roll The Bones ;)

[comitatus1]

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

[JohnnyBlaze]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

 

*ahem* Where's My Thing? is on Roll The Bones ;)

See what happens when you make a million different setlists a week?! Shit starts to get mixed.

[losingit2k]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Available Light

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass,

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

 

*ahem* Where's My Thing? is on Roll The Bones ;)

Oh Snap! I guess they are even then.

[losingit2k]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

 

*ahem* Where's My Thing? is on Roll The Bones ;)

See what happens when you make a million different setlists a week?! Shit starts to get mixed.

:whip:

[losingit2k]

Where's My Thing? is off RTB, actually.

I know, I know! A Momentary lapse of reason!

 

http://www.telephonewallpaper.com/artwork/pink-floyd-a-momentary-lapse-of-reason-album-cover_preview.jpg

[Czarcasm]

Both Albums are about the same in my book:

 

Presto:

Great: Show Don't Tell, Presto, Where's my Thing?,

Good: Chain Lightning, Scars, The Pass, Available Light

Ordinary: War Paint, Superconductor,

Poor: Red Tide

Awful: Anagram for (Mongo), Hand over Fist

 

T4E:

Great: Test for Echo, Driven, Limbo

Good: Half the World, Resist, Time and Motion

Ordinary: Color of Right, Todem

Poor: Carve away the Stone

Awful: Virtuality, Dog years

 

I guess Presto is better by one song ...Available Light!

I suppose that's a fair comparison. I agree pretty much, I guess I just like the atmosphere and production of TfE more than Presto.

Edited November 30, 2013 by Czarcasm

[Czarcasm]

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

 

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

 

Hey, CHRIS.

 

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "Stop liking what I don't like!"

 

Honestly,you just sound to me like one of those Rush fans with the mentality that says "old Rush good, new Rush bad!"

 

Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs? I hate to sound like a hipster but aren't those their most most mainstream songs? I've always found that the most fun part of listening to any band is listening to their entire catalogue and finding lesser known songs you really love. Right now you sound like a fan who likes their radio favourites without much personal taste of his own. If these songs are your favourites you could just buy a greatest hits collection and be set for life. Sounds really f*ckin boring.

[Slack jaw gaze]

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "Stop liking what I don't like!" ...

 

Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs?

Which is not an inappropriate response to a "Stop playing what I don't want you to play" post.

 

Tom Sayer, The Spirit of Romeo, and Substations are going to be in every set list. Deal with it.

[Narps]

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "Stop liking what I don't like!" ...

 

Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs?

Which is not an inappropriate response to a "Stop playing what I don't want you to play" post.

 

Tom Sayer, The Spirit of Romeo, and Substations are going to be in every set list. Deal with it.

Good1.

[comitatus1]

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

 

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

 

Hey, CHRIS.

 

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "Stop liking what I don't like!"

 

Honestly,you just sound to me like one of those Rush fans with the mentality that says "old Rush good, new Rush bad!"

 

Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs? I hate to sound like a hipster but aren't those their most most mainstream songs? I've always found that the most fun part of listening to any band is listening to their entire catalogue and finding lesser known songs you really love. Right now you sound like a fan who likes their radio favourites without much personal taste of his own. If these songs are your favourites you could just buy a greatest hits collection and be set for life. Sounds really f*ckin boring.

 

Hey Czarcasm....

 

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "All the old stuff sucks!"

 

Honestly,you just sound to me like one of those Rush fans with the mentality that says "old Rush bad, new Rush good!"

 

Well, except that your 'new' Rush is over 15 years old... :laughing guy:

 

The fact of the matter is this: Rush doesn't play what I want to hear at their concerts...they play what THEY want to play...are you feeling me? THEY are the ones who, for better or worse, have decided that, above all, they wanted to play the kind of music THEY wanted to play...

 

So...czar.....if you have a problem with them playing the 'popular' songs of their catalogue at their live shows.....

 

Take it up with THEM....

 

Have fun with it...

 

Imagine...a so called fan telling Rush they are too 'commercial'....

 

That's a good one.....

 

Chris

[Czarcasm]

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

 

With a 40 year career and around 20 albums of material, why do they always play the same songs? Rush is known as the biggest cult band in the world and there are fans who have been to dozens of shows. Do these die hards really need to hear or want to hear Tom Sawyer, Subdivisions or The Spirit of Radio Again?

 

Well, yes, they do. ANY fan would want to hear their best music.

 

For f*cks sake, this was the 20th anniversary of Counterparts, why couldn't they mention this and then include a few more tracks from that album?

 

Counterparts, for the most part, is forgettable.

 

Can you imagine how amazing it would be to hear Cut to the Chase or Alien Shore for the first time live?

Oh wow! That would be awesome! Get real, dude......

Both these songs have incredible solos and are infinitely more interesting than the usual stuff Rush pulls out.

 

Wrong again. 'Counterparts' is the 'usual stuff'. As in, uninteresting.

 

Sure, fire up 'Animate Me'...after that...who cares?

You can't tell me that as a fan you would seriously want to hear Limelight over an underplayed CP track or any other unplayed track from their catalogue.

 

Yes, I can.

 

 

 

I don't get it. It feels like rush has released 5 live albums in less than a decade and THE SAME SONGS KEEP GETTING PLAYED. Why would I pay money to hear the same songs again only sung, produced and played WORSE!?

 

Instead of playing tSoR again why not work hard and translate songs from VT to the stage? Or take songs that people have forgotten from TfE and make them into legendary live performances? The playing from that album is godly, why not choose and play 3 songs from that album that would be facemeltingly good?

 

At his point is almost seems like disrespect to fans. I don't care if they whipped out a few PoW songs this tour. With such a large catalogue, they should feel compelled to create entirely new setlists with each tour. They're a cult band with a huge following of dedicated listeners and for the majority of the time they still tour like an oldies band who play the same 15 songs to death.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Chris

 

Hey, CHRIS.

 

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "Stop liking what I don't like!"

 

Honestly,you just sound to me like one of those Rush fans with the mentality that says "old Rush good, new Rush bad!"

 

Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs? I hate to sound like a hipster but aren't those their most most mainstream songs? I've always found that the most fun part of listening to any band is listening to their entire catalogue and finding lesser known songs you really love. Right now you sound like a fan who likes their radio favourites without much personal taste of his own. If these songs are your favourites you could just buy a greatest hits collection and be set for life. Sounds really f*ckin boring.

 

Hey Czarcasm....

 

After carefully and thoroughly reading your post I think I can simplify its core message to one sentence. "All the old stuff sucks!"

 

Honestly,you just sound to me like one of those Rush fans with the mentality that says "old Rush bad, new Rush good!"

 

Well, except that your 'new' Rush is over 15 years old... :laughing guy:

 

The fact of the matter is this: Rush doesn't play what I want to hear at their concerts...they play what THEY want to play...are you feeling me? THEY are the ones who, for better or worse, have decided that, above all, they wanted to play the kind of music THEY wanted to play...

 

So...czar.....if you have a problem with them playing the 'popular' songs of their catalogue at their live shows.....

 

Take it up with THEM....

 

Have fun with it...

 

Imagine...a so called fan telling Rush they are too 'commercial'....

 

That's a good one.....

 

Chris

 

Yeah I guess you're right. I'm tired of arguing with strangers on the internet and your points are all correct.

But in fairness the band has only released 5 studio albums in the past 20 years so it's hard not to call Counterparts more modern than much of their catalogue. If we were seriously talking about "Modern albums" only 1 or two albums would qualify, haha.

[Rick N. Backer]

Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs? I hate to sound like a hipster but aren't those their most most mainstream songs? I've always found that the most fun part of listening to any band is listening to their entire catalogue and finding lesser known songs you really love. Right now you sound like a fan who likes their radio favourites without much personal taste of his own. If these songs are your favourites you could just buy a greatest hits collection and be set for life. Sounds really f*ckin boring.

 

I don't want you to think I'm picking on you, but I have never understood this mind set. With every band there is always a segment of the fan base that thinks that somehow you seem more dedicated if you only like the obscure material, and don't like the more popular material. And when you point out that Moving Pictures sold more copies than Test For Echo for a reason, the "Lady Gaga sells lots of records, is she better than Rush?" straw man comes out. To some degree, "mainstream" songs are mainstream because they're so good that even people who aren't die hard fans of a band sit up and take notice. I'm a huge Black Sabbath fan. I love Volume 4. But there's a reason why rock fans in general own Paranoid, and Black Sabbath fans own Volume 4. Same with Rush. If you're a rock fan you probably own a copy of Moving PIctures. It's that good. A Rush fan owns Counterparts. It has its moments, but it's not a great album.

 

As for Rush's most recent set list, there are plenty of songs from the 1983-1996 era I would have preferred over those that made the set list for the CA tour. And Rush not playing Tom Sawyer would be like Black Sabbath not playing Paranoid. Never going to happen.

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Do you genuinely believe that Tom Sayer, tSoR and Subdivisions are their best songs? I hate to sound like a hipster but aren't those their most most mainstream songs? I've always found that the most fun part of listening to any band is listening to their entire catalogue and finding lesser known songs you really love. Right now you sound like a fan who likes their radio favourites without much personal taste of his own. If these songs are your favourites you could just buy a greatest hits collection and be set for life. Sounds really f*ckin boring.

 

I don't want you to think I'm picking on you, but I have never understood this mind set. With every band there is always a segment of the fan base that thinks that somehow you seem more dedicated if you only like the obscure material, and don't like the more popular material. And when you point out that Moving Pictures sold more copies than Test For Echo for a reason, the "Lady Gaga sells lots of records, is she better than Rush?" straw man comes out. To some degree, "mainstream" songs are mainstream because they're so good that even people who aren't die hard fans of a band sit up and take notice. I'm a huge Black Sabbath fan. I love Volume 4. But there's a reason why rock fans in general own Paranoid, and Black Sabbath fans own Volume 4. Same with Rush. If you're a rock fan you probably own a copy of Moving PIctures. It's that good. A Rush fan owns Counterparts. It has its moments, but it's not a great album.

 

As for Rush's most recent set list, there are plenty of songs from the 1983-1996 era I would have preferred over those that made the set list for the CA tour. And Rush not playing Tom Sawyer would be like Black Sabbath not playing Paranoid. Never going to happen.

 

I completely agree. Moving Pictures is the only Rush album I would say that qualifies as a definitive classic up in the upper echelon of classic rock along with Dark Side of The Moon, LZ IV, etc. It's their only album where every note is in the right place and nothing is off.

 

Anyway back on topic, I reeaaally wonder how many casual fans are going to these concerts. If you know Tom Sawyer and Spirit of Radio, would you really go anyway fully knowing you have 2 hours of unknown material to sit through? I never saw Rush as a band that a causal listener would go to, especially at this point in their career where (normally) a lot of new material is played.