How many believe Signals will be played in full

[treeduck]

QUOTE (Snowman @ Apr 8 2012, 12:04 AM)

Well, Losing It is also one of my top favourite Rush songs. If they would play it live I would like to have it as close as possible to the original. They could of course experiment with it, but not an all out acoustic version. I want them keys and them violins.

Guitar synths are the way...

 

[losingit2k]

QUOTE (Snowman @ Apr 8 2012, 12:04 AM)

Well, Losing It is also one of my top favourite Rush songs. If they would play it live I would like to have it as close as possible to the original. They could of course experiment with it, but not an all out acoustic version. I want them keys and them violins.

I do to, I rather gear it in it's original form, but if I can't I'd like to get it any way I can!

 

[Snowman]

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 08:07 AM)

QUOTE (Snowman @ Apr 8 2012, 12:04 AM) Well, Losing It is also one of my top favourite Rush songs. If they would play it live I would like to have it as close as possible to the original.  They could of course experiment with it, but not an all out acoustic version.    I want them keys and them violins. I do to, I rather gear it in it's original form, but if I can't I'd like to get it any way I can!   I want as many songs and version of old songs from Rush as I can get. If that means different version the OK. I want it all!   But I just cant, with all my positive effort, imagine that they can make a better version of Losing It, or even come close to the original version. There is so much going on in that song, not only the playing but also the feeling and atmosphere I get from this song.

[Rod in Toronto]

[greg2112]

I believe it will, and it truly doesnt get better than that for this fan.

[GeddyLeeRoth]

The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)?

[losingit2k]

QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM)

The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)?

Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!

 

OK Begin the Stoning!

 

[Snowman]

I had The Camera Eye on my top wish list for the Time Machine tour. We got it!

 

Now I also want Afterimage!

[snowdog2112]

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM)

QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans.

[losingit2k]

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 03:43 PM)

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM) QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans. Well, I Love Signals, It was my second year in High School and I just fell in love with the band and that album. (Mayb e it has something to do with me being a keyboardist as well). Most likely that, Regardless, all my friends love Signals too. I really haven't heard so many things negative things about it or 1984 for that reason! There's a reason why VH is closing the current tour with "Jump" The song kicks @ss! Plain and simple, Back to Signals, Instead of singlehandedly destroying RUSH Career, I actually think it kept RUSH's career moving forward. They needed to change or become stagnant. You know how may band fall to the sideline because they don't change? Without perfpetual change, everything eventually starts sounding the same. So after MP they felt They had done all they could with that sound and started incorporating Keybaords.I just think people feel keybaords are weak and don't belong in ROCK Music. But time and time again they are proven wrong. If people don't like keyboards then that's a whole other issue. I like the song structure and writing and lyrics of the album. Losing It is my favorite RUSH song. I love everything about it! I'm know RUSH has much better songs Like Everything between 2112 & MP, but I just love Losing it! Oh I also like I'll Wait" by VH, I thought it was the best sounding song on their reunion tour! I'll be seeing them again tomorrow! I think people sometimes give way too much importance to trivial things!

Edited April 9, 2012 by losingit2k

[EmotionDetector]

QUOTE (Snowman @ Apr 9 2012, 04:24 PM)

Now I also want Afterimage!

[DistantEarlyRushFan]

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 03:21 PM)

QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   Signals happens to be my personal favorite Rush album. Sure Alex is a little covered up, but his parts do blend well. The rhythm section is on fire, Ged and Neil put up some of their greatest performances. Creatively, they were riding the crest of MP and quite frankly, the songs are pretty close to MP quality     Also, sure it sounds better when you're stoned...all music does

Edited April 9, 2012 by DistantEarlyRushFan

[snowdog2112]

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:59 PM)

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM) QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans. Well, I Love Signals, It was my second year in High School and I just fell in love with the band and that album. (Mayb e it has something to do with me being a keyboardist as well). Most likely that, Regardless, all my friends love Signals too. I really haven't heard so many things negative things about it or 1984 for that reason! There's a reason why VH is closing the current tour with "Jump" The song kicks @ss! Plain and simple, Back to Signals, Instead of singlehandedly destroying RUSH Career, I actually think it kept RUSH's career moving forward. They needed to change or become stagnant. You know how may band fall to the sideline because they don't change? Without perfpetual change, everything eventually starts sounding the same. So after MP they felt They had done all they could with that sound and started incorporating Keybaords.I just think people feel keybaords are weak and don't belong in ROCK Music. But time and time again they are proven wrong. If people don't like keyboards then that's a whole other issue. I like the song structure and writing and lyrics of the album. Losing It is my favorite RUSH song. I love everything about it! I'm know RUSH has much better songs Like Everything between 2112 & MP, but I just love Losing it! Oh I also like I'll Wait" by VH, I thought it was the best sounding song on their reunion tour! I'll be seeing them again tomorrow! I think people sometimes give way too much importance to trivial things!   I'm not disagreeing with you about all the good qualities of those albums, I'm with you on that. I'm simply telling you what a good portion of those fanbases think of that stuff. Go watch an episode of That Metal Show, until Signals that type of crowd drove Rush. I don't dislike Trunk as much as some people do but his attitude of "it's either heavy guitars and no keyboards or it sucks" was the the most common. When they voted on whether Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures was the greatest Rush album on TMS Eddie Trunk said that one of the reasons he chose PW is that MP was starting to get into keyboards which eventually ruined the band and one of his cohosts sarcastically said "Oh, so Subdivisions isn't one of your favorite songs?" and Trunk rolled his eyes and said "Oh, God...". That was the reaction from the rock crowd and still is to everything Rush did in the 80s, but Signals started it. Again, I'm only using TMS as an example because they perfectly represent the "rocker" crowd I'm talking about that was dominant in the early 80s, but have Trunk tell his audience on TMS that Rush has announced they will play all of Signals and watch the moaning (and probably anger) begin.   In Trunk's recent book he's says about Jump "I still remember rushing to the turntable and cranking the stereo the day Van Halen's new single 'Jump' arrived. I was shocked at what came out of the speakers: KEYBOARDS! A huge synth-sound and a poppy melody? On a Van Halen song? The only guitar I could hear was in the solo". That was his kind version, I've heard him say on the radio that upon hearing the first notes he thought the band was dead. About Rush he wrote "After 1981's Moving Pictures - the last of their albums that I like from start to finish - the band changed too much for my taste. They started to introduce a lot of multilayered synthesizers and placed less emphasis on Lifeson's guitar playing. That's where they lost me." All you have to do is watch the documentary and listen to Portnoy and some of the others to know that. And of course you can just dismiss their opinions but that's not the point, the point is that a HUGE part of Rush's fanbase shared their opinion whether we agree with it or not and many fans never came back. I can't for the life of me see any way that they'll play all of Signals. But I guess anything's technically possible. I'll be happy if they do. But I'll also be prepared for near-rioting in the audience.

Edited April 9, 2012 by snowdog2112

[The Owl]

If they played "Losing It" I think I would lose my shit

[snowdog2112]

QUOTE (The Owl @ Apr 9 2012, 07:23 PM)

If they played "Losing It" I think I would lose my shit

Well, like I said, I don't think they will. But just in case they do when you get your ticket could you please tell the rest of us your seat number so I don't end up right behind you?

[JohnnyBlaze]

13.5! That is, I want 2112 in its entirety, Hemispheres side 1, A Farewell to Kings in full and Bastille Day opening the set. Throw in some songs off CA because I'm curious. Then, time permitting, add some sprinklings of 80s & 90s Rush goodness.

 

Total proboscis monkey Lee madness!

http://www.groovily.com/d/35-1/proboscis_monkey.jpg http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/images/geddy_lee.jpg

 

 

[Cygnus The God Of Balance]

After careful consideration of all the choices, I went with 8. I think all of CA in the first half, intermission, all of Signals in the second half, then a medley of hits for the encore. Oh, and I also think this will be the tour that Neil finally says 'Screw the drum solo!'

[Alexmai]

In my opinion, they're NOT going to do any Signals, more than the usual songs... maybe a medley, but no more than 10 minutes...

I expect them to do at least 40 minutes of CA...

[losingit2k]

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 04:48 PM)

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:59 PM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM) QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans. Well, I Love Signals, It was my second year in High School and I just fell in love with the band and that album. (Mayb e it has something to do with me being a keyboardist as well). Most likely that, Regardless, all my friends love Signals too. I really haven't heard so many things negative things about it or 1984 for that reason! There's a reason why VH is closing the current tour with "Jump" The song kicks @ss! Plain and simple, Back to Signals, Instead of singlehandedly destroying RUSH Career, I actually think it kept RUSH's career moving forward. They needed to change or become stagnant. You know how may band fall to the sideline because they don't change? Without perfpetual change, everything eventually starts sounding the same. So after MP they felt They had done all they could with that sound and started incorporating Keybaords.I just think people feel keybaords are weak and don't belong in ROCK Music. But time and time again they are proven wrong. If people don't like keyboards then that's a whole other issue. I like the song structure and writing and lyrics of the album. Losing It is my favorite RUSH song. I love everything about it! I'm know RUSH has much better songs Like Everything between 2112 & MP, but I just love Losing it! Oh I also like I'll Wait" by VH, I thought it was the best sounding song on their reunion tour! I'll be seeing them again tomorrow! I think people sometimes give way too much importance to trivial things!   I'm not disagreeing with you about all the good qualities of those albums, I'm with you on that. I'm simply telling you what a good portion of those fanbases think of that stuff. Go watch an episode of That Metal Show, until Signals that type of crowd drove Rush. I don't dislike Trunk as much as some people do but his attitude of "it's either heavy guitars and no keyboards or it sucks" was the the most common. When they voted on whether Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures was the greatest Rush album on TMS Eddie Trunk said that one of the reasons he chose PW is that MP was starting to get into keyboards which eventually ruined the band and one of his cohosts sarcastically said "Oh, so Subdivisions isn't one of your favorite songs?" and Trunk rolled his eyes and said "Oh, God...". That was the reaction from the rock crowd and still is to everything Rush did in the 80s, but Signals started it. Again, I'm only using TMS as an example because they perfectly represent the "rocker" crowd I'm talking about that was dominant in the early 80s, but have Trunk tell his audience on TMS that Rush has announced they will play all of Signals and watch the moaning (and probably anger) begin.   In Trunk's recent book he's says about Jump "I still remember rushing to the turntable and cranking the stereo the day Van Halen's new single 'Jump' arrived. I was shocked at what came out of the speakers: KEYBOARDS! A huge synth-sound and a poppy melody? On a Van Halen song? The only guitar I could hear was in the solo". That was his kind version, I've heard him say on the radio that upon hearing the first notes he thought the band was dead. About Rush he wrote "After 1981's Moving Pictures - the last of their albums that I like from start to finish - the band changed too much for my taste. They started to introduce a lot of multilayered synthesizers and placed less emphasis on Lifeson's guitar playing. That's where they lost me." All you have to do is watch the documentary and listen to Portnoy and some of the others to know that. And of course you can just dismiss their opinions but that's not the point, the point is that a HUGE part of Rush's fanbase shared their opinion whether we agree with it or not and many fans never came back. I can't for the life of me see any way that they'll play all of Signals. But I guess anything's technically possible. I'll be happy if they do. But I'll also be prepared for near-rioting in the audience. I had heard all the comments about the keyboard era, and for the life of me, I never understood why? I really couldn't comprehend why Portnoy would even dare say that in the DOC when DT, OSI, Transatlantic, and now Flying Colours all use keyboards. Can you say Hypocrate? The best DT ever sounded was when Jordan Rudes joined the group. Anyway, I really think thats it's more of a lets keep those people that enjoy keyboards out of or Metal family than anything. But then I ask you this: What would Led Zepplin's Kashmere be without Keyboards, What would DT's Metropolis be without keyboards, or Yes's Roundabout , or Genesis's Firth of Fifth, OR ELP (Blasphemy), Or Rush's 2112, Xanadu, Hemispheres, Natural Science and Tom Sawyer be without keyboards? It just a whole different ball game IMO. I feel its easier for Metal heads to listen to music without keyboards than with it. I just went to see Symphony-X and came to that realizaton. Their best song is "The Oddysey" Yet they didn't even play it cause it relied too much on heavy keyboards and the crowd there would have just hated it. This might be an ignorant statement but: Keyboards are out because most main stream Dance and Pop artist use them in abundance and Metal heads want to totally separate themselves from that!Its their cult and they want to keep it that way. And thats fine by me, They can keep listening to their Deep Purple.. Wait that has keyboards, ok Ozzy.. wait that has keyboards too, Dio...Nope he utilized keyboards as well, Metallica....Damn!. Oh Well, like them or loathe then, Keyboards are here to stay!

[snowdog2112]

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 10 2012, 08:20 AM)

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 04:48 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:59 PM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM) QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans. Well, I Love Signals, It was my second year in High School and I just fell in love with the band and that album. (Mayb e it has something to do with me being a keyboardist as well). Most likely that, Regardless, all my friends love Signals too. I really haven't heard so many things negative things about it or 1984 for that reason! There's a reason why VH is closing the current tour with "Jump" The song kicks @ss! Plain and simple, Back to Signals, Instead of singlehandedly destroying RUSH Career, I actually think it kept RUSH's career moving forward. They needed to change or become stagnant. You know how may band fall to the sideline because they don't change? Without perfpetual change, everything eventually starts sounding the same. So after MP they felt They had done all they could with that sound and started incorporating Keybaords.I just think people feel keybaords are weak and don't belong in ROCK Music. But time and time again they are proven wrong. If people don't like keyboards then that's a whole other issue. I like the song structure and writing and lyrics of the album. Losing It is my favorite RUSH song. I love everything about it! I'm know RUSH has much better songs Like Everything between 2112 & MP, but I just love Losing it! Oh I also like I'll Wait" by VH, I thought it was the best sounding song on their reunion tour! I'll be seeing them again tomorrow! I think people sometimes give way too much importance to trivial things!   I'm not disagreeing with you about all the good qualities of those albums, I'm with you on that. I'm simply telling you what a good portion of those fanbases think of that stuff. Go watch an episode of That Metal Show, until Signals that type of crowd drove Rush. I don't dislike Trunk as much as some people do but his attitude of "it's either heavy guitars and no keyboards or it sucks" was the the most common. When they voted on whether Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures was the greatest Rush album on TMS Eddie Trunk said that one of the reasons he chose PW is that MP was starting to get into keyboards which eventually ruined the band and one of his cohosts sarcastically said "Oh, so Subdivisions isn't one of your favorite songs?" and Trunk rolled his eyes and said "Oh, God...". That was the reaction from the rock crowd and still is to everything Rush did in the 80s, but Signals started it. Again, I'm only using TMS as an example because they perfectly represent the "rocker" crowd I'm talking about that was dominant in the early 80s, but have Trunk tell his audience on TMS that Rush has announced they will play all of Signals and watch the moaning (and probably anger) begin.   In Trunk's recent book he's says about Jump "I still remember rushing to the turntable and cranking the stereo the day Van Halen's new single 'Jump' arrived. I was shocked at what came out of the speakers: KEYBOARDS! A huge synth-sound and a poppy melody? On a Van Halen song? The only guitar I could hear was in the solo". That was his kind version, I've heard him say on the radio that upon hearing the first notes he thought the band was dead. About Rush he wrote "After 1981's Moving Pictures - the last of their albums that I like from start to finish - the band changed too much for my taste. They started to introduce a lot of multilayered synthesizers and placed less emphasis on Lifeson's guitar playing. That's where they lost me." All you have to do is watch the documentary and listen to Portnoy and some of the others to know that. And of course you can just dismiss their opinions but that's not the point, the point is that a HUGE part of Rush's fanbase shared their opinion whether we agree with it or not and many fans never came back. I can't for the life of me see any way that they'll play all of Signals. But I guess anything's technically possible. I'll be happy if they do. But I'll also be prepared for near-rioting in the audience. I had heard all the comments about the keyboard era, and for the life of me, I never understood why? I really couldn't comprehend why Portnoy would even dare say that in the DOC when DT, OSI, Transatlantic, and now Flying Colours all use keyboards. Can you say Hypocrate? The best DT ever sounded was when Jordan Rudes joined the group. Anyway, I really think thats it's more of a lets keep those people that enjoy keyboards out of or Metal family than anything. But then I ask you this: What would Led Zepplin's Kashmere be without Keyboards, What would DT's Metropolis be without keyboards, or Yes's Roundabout , or Genesis's Firth of Fifth, OR ELP (Blasphemy), Or Rush's 2112, Xanadu, Hemispheres, Natural Science and Tom Sawyer be without keyboards? It just a whole different ball game IMO. I feel its easier for Metal heads to listen to music without keyboards than with it. I just went to see Symphony-X and came to that realizaton. Their best song is "The Oddysey" Yet they didn't even play it cause it relied too much on heavy keyboards and the crowd there would have just hated it. This might be an ignorant statement but: Keyboards are out because most main stream Dance and Pop artist use them in abundance and Metal heads want to totally separate themselves from that!Its their cult and they want to keep it that way. And thats fine by me, They can keep listening to their Deep Purple.. Wait that has keyboards, ok Ozzy.. wait that has keyboards too, Dio...Nope he utilized keyboards as well, Metallica....Damn!. Oh Well, like them or loathe then, Keyboards are here to stay!   That's all true but for the most part in those other bands the keyboard didn't completely supplant the role of the rhythm guitar like it did in Rush where most of the power comes from.

[CrossedSignals]

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 10 2012, 09:38 AM)

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 10 2012, 08:20 AM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 04:48 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:59 PM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM) QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans. Well, I Love Signals, It was my second year in High School and I just fell in love with the band and that album. (Mayb e it has something to do with me being a keyboardist as well). Most likely that, Regardless, all my friends love Signals too. I really haven't heard so many things negative things about it or 1984 for that reason! There's a reason why VH is closing the current tour with "Jump" The song kicks @ss! Plain and simple, Back to Signals, Instead of singlehandedly destroying RUSH Career, I actually think it kept RUSH's career moving forward. They needed to change or become stagnant. You know how may band fall to the sideline because they don't change? Without perfpetual change, everything eventually starts sounding the same. So after MP they felt They had done all they could with that sound and started incorporating Keybaords.I just think people feel keybaords are weak and don't belong in ROCK Music. But time and time again they are proven wrong. If people don't like keyboards then that's a whole other issue. I like the song structure and writing and lyrics of the album. Losing It is my favorite RUSH song. I love everything about it! I'm know RUSH has much better songs Like Everything between 2112 & MP, but I just love Losing it! Oh I also like I'll Wait" by VH, I thought it was the best sounding song on their reunion tour! I'll be seeing them again tomorrow! I think people sometimes give way too much importance to trivial things!   I'm not disagreeing with you about all the good qualities of those albums, I'm with you on that. I'm simply telling you what a good portion of those fanbases think of that stuff. Go watch an episode of That Metal Show, until Signals that type of crowd drove Rush. I don't dislike Trunk as much as some people do but his attitude of "it's either heavy guitars and no keyboards or it sucks" was the the most common. When they voted on whether Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures was the greatest Rush album on TMS Eddie Trunk said that one of the reasons he chose PW is that MP was starting to get into keyboards which eventually ruined the band and one of his cohosts sarcastically said "Oh, so Subdivisions isn't one of your favorite songs?" and Trunk rolled his eyes and said "Oh, God...". That was the reaction from the rock crowd and still is to everything Rush did in the 80s, but Signals started it. Again, I'm only using TMS as an example because they perfectly represent the "rocker" crowd I'm talking about that was dominant in the early 80s, but have Trunk tell his audience on TMS that Rush has announced they will play all of Signals and watch the moaning (and probably anger) begin.   In Trunk's recent book he's says about Jump "I still remember rushing to the turntable and cranking the stereo the day Van Halen's new single 'Jump' arrived. I was shocked at what came out of the speakers: KEYBOARDS! A huge synth-sound and a poppy melody? On a Van Halen song? The only guitar I could hear was in the solo". That was his kind version, I've heard him say on the radio that upon hearing the first notes he thought the band was dead. About Rush he wrote "After 1981's Moving Pictures - the last of their albums that I like from start to finish - the band changed too much for my taste. They started to introduce a lot of multilayered synthesizers and placed less emphasis on Lifeson's guitar playing. That's where they lost me." All you have to do is watch the documentary and listen to Portnoy and some of the others to know that. And of course you can just dismiss their opinions but that's not the point, the point is that a HUGE part of Rush's fanbase shared their opinion whether we agree with it or not and many fans never came back. I can't for the life of me see any way that they'll play all of Signals. But I guess anything's technically possible. I'll be happy if they do. But I'll also be prepared for near-rioting in the audience. I had heard all the comments about the keyboard era, and for the life of me, I never understood why? I really couldn't comprehend why Portnoy would even dare say that in the DOC when DT, OSI, Transatlantic, and now Flying Colours all use keyboards. Can you say Hypocrate? The best DT ever sounded was when Jordan Rudes joined the group. Anyway, I really think thats it's more of a lets keep those people that enjoy keyboards out of or Metal family than anything. But then I ask you this: What would Led Zepplin's Kashmere be without Keyboards, What would DT's Metropolis be without keyboards, or Yes's Roundabout , or Genesis's Firth of Fifth, OR ELP (Blasphemy), Or Rush's 2112, Xanadu, Hemispheres, Natural Science and Tom Sawyer be without keyboards? It just a whole different ball game IMO. I feel its easier for Metal heads to listen to music without keyboards than with it. I just went to see Symphony-X and came to that realizaton. Their best song is "The Oddysey" Yet they didn't even play it cause it relied too much on heavy keyboards and the crowd there would have just hated it. This might be an ignorant statement but: Keyboards are out because most main stream Dance and Pop artist use them in abundance and Metal heads want to totally separate themselves from that!Its their cult and they want to keep it that way. And thats fine by me, They can keep listening to their Deep Purple.. Wait that has keyboards, ok Ozzy.. wait that has keyboards too, Dio...Nope he utilized keyboards as well, Metallica....Damn!. Oh Well, like them or loathe then, Keyboards are here to stay!   That's all true but for the most part in those other bands the keyboard didn't completely supplant the role of the rhythm guitar like it did in Rush where most of the power comes from. Also, for the majority of their career, Rush hasn't been a metal band, so I doubt they're too concerned as to whether keyboards are accepted within the metal community.....

Edited April 10, 2012 by CrossedSignals

[snowdog2112]

QUOTE (CrossedSignals @ Apr 10 2012, 11:10 AM)

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 10 2012, 09:38 AM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 10 2012, 08:20 AM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 04:48 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:59 PM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Apr 9 2012, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Apr 9 2012, 02:21 PM) QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 9 2012, 02:29 PM) The dalmation and hydrant is an icon for Rush--they were also on their compilation album some years back. That is why its on this 'supposed' tour book. THERE IS NO WAY, AND NO REASON THEY WILL PLAY SIGNALS. Anyone who thinks they will is higher than a kite. Sorry folks, but Signals aint no Moving Pictures. Maybe we'll hear the Fear Trilogy (or Tetrology)? Actually some may argue that Signals is as good as MP, if not Better. It was their first true experiment utilizing keyboards in a major way!   OK Begin the Stoning!   *Warning* I love Signals, I'm just giving you a report from someone who experienced it on the front lines in 1982.     It has nothing to do with how good someone can argue it is, it's strictly a matter of universal popularity and regardless of what praise it has received over time it did more damage to Rush's popularity at the time it was released than any other of their albums except Caress of Steel. My whole life I've heard "I love Rush from 1974-1981" and Signals is why. It was hated, reviled, despised, etc. I was in junior high then, it single-handedly destroyed any interest Rush had built up from the rocker crowd which was a huge part of their audience. Imagine all the criticism of and pouting over S&A, VT, TFE, and RTB crammed into a bottle and then shaken violently for an hour and released. That's close to amount of venom Signals received upon release from the average rocker kid in school. It wasn't just "I don't like it", it created strong feelings of absolute betrayal. I heard "Signals destroyed the band" for the remainder of the 80s. Subdivisions and New World Man were still popular songs but mostly with a whole new audience. Think of what happened when Van Halen released 1984 and Jump was the first single. The hard rock crowd still has scars from that regardless of how popular it was overall. The worst thing you can do on the Van Halen forums is admit you like Jump or I'll Wait. Now imagine the reaction of VH fans if all of 1984 sounded like Jump (which it definitely did not) and you'll know how Signals was received by at least half the fanbase. Merely announcing they're playing all of Signals would cost them at least as many ticket sales as gain them.   Hmmm. reading over that, I'm just not sure I made it clear enough just how much it was hated. Seriously, if the internet had existed back then the whole freaking web would have crashed solely because of Rush fans. Well, I Love Signals, It was my second year in High School and I just fell in love with the band and that album. (Mayb e it has something to do with me being a keyboardist as well). Most likely that, Regardless, all my friends love Signals too. I really haven't heard so many things negative things about it or 1984 for that reason! There's a reason why VH is closing the current tour with "Jump" The song kicks @ss! Plain and simple, Back to Signals, Instead of singlehandedly destroying RUSH Career, I actually think it kept RUSH's career moving forward. They needed to change or become stagnant. You know how may band fall to the sideline because they don't change? Without perfpetual change, everything eventually starts sounding the same. So after MP they felt They had done all they could with that sound and started incorporating Keybaords.I just think people feel keybaords are weak and don't belong in ROCK Music. But time and time again they are proven wrong. If people don't like keyboards then that's a whole other issue. I like the song structure and writing and lyrics of the album. Losing It is my favorite RUSH song. I love everything about it! I'm know RUSH has much better songs Like Everything between 2112 & MP, but I just love Losing it! Oh I also like I'll Wait" by VH, I thought it was the best sounding song on their reunion tour! I'll be seeing them again tomorrow! I think people sometimes give way too much importance to trivial things!   I'm not disagreeing with you about all the good qualities of those albums, I'm with you on that. I'm simply telling you what a good portion of those fanbases think of that stuff. Go watch an episode of That Metal Show, until Signals that type of crowd drove Rush. I don't dislike Trunk as much as some people do but his attitude of "it's either heavy guitars and no keyboards or it sucks" was the the most common. When they voted on whether Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures was the greatest Rush album on TMS Eddie Trunk said that one of the reasons he chose PW is that MP was starting to get into keyboards which eventually ruined the band and one of his cohosts sarcastically said "Oh, so Subdivisions isn't one of your favorite songs?" and Trunk rolled his eyes and said "Oh, God...". That was the reaction from the rock crowd and still is to everything Rush did in the 80s, but Signals started it. Again, I'm only using TMS as an example because they perfectly represent the "rocker" crowd I'm talking about that was dominant in the early 80s, but have Trunk tell his audience on TMS that Rush has announced they will play all of Signals and watch the moaning (and probably anger) begin.   In Trunk's recent book he's says about Jump "I still remember rushing to the turntable and cranking the stereo the day Van Halen's new single 'Jump' arrived. I was shocked at what came out of the speakers: KEYBOARDS! A huge synth-sound and a poppy melody? On a Van Halen song? The only guitar I could hear was in the solo". That was his kind version, I've heard him say on the radio that upon hearing the first notes he thought the band was dead. About Rush he wrote "After 1981's Moving Pictures - the last of their albums that I like from start to finish - the band changed too much for my taste. They started to introduce a lot of multilayered synthesizers and placed less emphasis on Lifeson's guitar playing. That's where they lost me." All you have to do is watch the documentary and listen to Portnoy and some of the others to know that. And of course you can just dismiss their opinions but that's not the point, the point is that a HUGE part of Rush's fanbase shared their opinion whether we agree with it or not and many fans never came back. I can't for the life of me see any way that they'll play all of Signals. But I guess anything's technically possible. I'll be happy if they do. But I'll also be prepared for near-rioting in the audience. I had heard all the comments about the keyboard era, and for the life of me, I never understood why? I really couldn't comprehend why Portnoy would even dare say that in the DOC when DT, OSI, Transatlantic, and now Flying Colours all use keyboards. Can you say Hypocrate? The best DT ever sounded was when Jordan Rudes joined the group. Anyway, I really think thats it's more of a lets keep those people that enjoy keyboards out of or Metal family than anything. But then I ask you this: What would Led Zepplin's Kashmere be without Keyboards, What would DT's Metropolis be without keyboards, or Yes's Roundabout , or Genesis's Firth of Fifth, OR ELP (Blasphemy), Or Rush's 2112, Xanadu, Hemispheres, Natural Science and Tom Sawyer be without keyboards? It just a whole different ball game IMO. I feel its easier for Metal heads to listen to music without keyboards than with it. I just went to see Symphony-X and came to that realizaton. Their best song is "The Oddysey" Yet they didn't even play it cause it relied too much on heavy keyboards and the crowd there would have just hated it. This might be an ignorant statement but: Keyboards are out because most main stream Dance and Pop artist use them in abundance and Metal heads want to totally separate themselves from that!Its their cult and they want to keep it that way. And thats fine by me, They can keep listening to their Deep Purple.. Wait that has keyboards, ok Ozzy.. wait that has keyboards too, Dio...Nope he utilized keyboards as well, Metallica....Damn!. Oh Well, like them or loathe then, Keyboards are here to stay!   That's all true but for the most part in those other bands the keyboard didn't completely supplant the role of the rhythm guitar like it did in Rush where most of the power comes from. Also, for the majority of their career, Rush hasn't been a metal band, so I doubt they're too concerned as to whether keyboards are accepted within the metal community..... I would go further and say they've never been a metal band. but the general hard rock crowd is the largest part of their audience and that's who was alienated by the dominance of keyboards.

[Majestyk]

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I would go further and say they've never been a metal band.

 

If you went back in time to the 70's, you would have a hard time convincing fans of that.

[Presto-digitation]

I'm too eager for the new album to worry about what old songs they might play. Could care less right now.

[snowdog2112]

QUOTE (Majestyk @ Apr 10 2012, 11:49 AM)

QUOTE I would go further and say they've never been a metal band.   If you went back in time to the 70's, you would have a hard time convincing fans of that. It's like progressive music we've discussed in the other thread. It's a matter of definition and to me it's more about content than presentation. To me heavy metal is defined by bands like Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and Metallica. At no time have I ever considered Van Halen, AC/DC, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, or many of those other bands heavy metal at all regardless of how heavy they may have been from time to time. To me it's all about the actual music and it's a very well defined thing, in fact, in many cases I think hard rock can sound heavier than heavy metal. To me what most people consider heavy metal is really just the presentation of music, not the music itself. You know, long hair, loud distorted guitars, fast solos, screaming vocals.   But musically tons of bands have that stuff while having nothing in common with those metal bands I listed earlier. AC/DC is extremely heavy blues for example, Van Halen is closer to being the Beach Boys presented in a heavier form, etc. The musical style of most metal as I see it is almost completely derived from the classical music mold, hard rock tends to be more from the bluesy side. They sound nothing alike. So, the fact that Eddie Van Halen was the template for a whole generation of shredders and VH had all the long hair, screaming, volume, distortion, speed, etc. doesn't have anything to do with the fact that their catalog was full of major key songs sung with classic harmonized vocals and included tons of humor and were about girls/fun in the sun stuff. That's the antithesis of metal regardless of the sonic palette. Regardless of the presentation, Rush musically-speaking was much closer to what what Yes and Pink Floyd were doing, musical exporation but with heavier sonics.