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I’m really hoping that’s true too, but I still think it’s a stretch to make definitive statements that they HAVE the whole thing. Who the heck knows? And it was shot on cheaper video tape unlike ESL and ASOH, it may not be usable even if they have it. To me the MP box was the test of this whole question of any remaining footage from the 80s. It sure seems likely that if there was any extra we would have gotten additional ESL footage then. And if they don’t have any more usable ESL footage it seems more likely than not that would be the case for the other two as well. I really hope to be proven wrong, but 15 or 20 or more years ago on here I said we’d never see any more of those three shows for a number of reasons. I haven’t seen anything since to change my mind. What they didn’t use was likely scrapped and that’s that. The main reason I’m pessimistic is I collected about every significant VHS concert vid I could in the 80s and (yes, there are a few exceptions) almost NONE of them that have been reissued in the decades since have been expanded. And on the ones that have the quality of the footage usually doesn’t match. Maybe you’re right and I’m just trying not to set myself up for disappointment but I’ll believe it when I see it. I DO think that a full audio-only performance on a GUP box is realistic (if it happens at all).

Holy moly, haha! I don't post often but I have been checking in more lately in case there's news/rumors about releases this year. But in glancing around at a few threads just now I've seen that Neil didn't care about his playing for many years, there's a thread dedicated to the worst of Rush, and now I see that Freewill and YYZ suck. So I'll leave you guys to your fun and try again later.

To be clear, I can't personally promise that they didn't record anything, but I've been an avid live music and bootleg collector since the 80s and I'm fairly OCD and I think I've read or seen about every article/interview that might have disclosed some recording that tour. It's certainly possible, even likely, that they did simple recordings from night to night for their own review and critique, I can't remember how early they did that, but even then I doubt they were kept even from night to night and even if they did still exist they certainly wouldn't consider those to be release-worthy. So to me it was just an extra clarification when that book came out which listed the shows recorded for various live albums and not a single Signals show was noted that way. Trust me, I'm as disappointed as anyone, I'm just not surprised. And if you haven't seen the book yourself you can see a good sample here. No reference book is absolutely foolproof and I think I remember at least one radio broadcast show from the 70s that wasn't mentioned but in general it is extremely detailed. Check out August 19 on page 49 or August 24 on page 50 for examples of this with the aborted TV appearance and the radio show discussed in detail. Rush: Wandering the Face of the Earth: The Official Touring History: Skip Daly, Eric Hansen, Bienstock, Richard, Ungerleider, Howard, Copeland, Stewart, Claypool, Les: 9781683834502: Amazon.com: Books If anything was done for Signals it would have been done without anyone from the band or crew/staff mentioning it for over 40 years, no soundboard ever leaking, and a book of this detail making no mention of it. Is that possible? I guess, but it seems clear to me there just isn't anything from 82 to release. I mean, they had just released ESL. They almost certainly didn't record any shows on the Presto tour either.

I want as much live stuff as I can get too, but the constant portrayal of them choosing not to give us live stuff on the Signals box set or to claim they're "at fault" or "to blame" is just weird to me. There was some live stuff with every single previous box set so there's no reason to think they wouldn't have included it if it existed and there has never even been a hint of anything multitrack recorded or filmed on the Signals tour. It was on my mind as soon as the MP box set was out, that if they continued the Signals one would be bare because there's no live stuff to speak of. It would have been a (very pleasant) shock to me if there was any. Hell, even the Wandering the Face of the Earth book identifies tons of specific shows that were recorded or filmed, but nothing noted at all on the Signals tour. The only way anyone could use the words blame or fault would be to say they should have known in 1982 that they'd be making 40th anniversary box sets.

No, unfortunately there’s nothing from Irvine to see (Unless…. See below). Oh yeah, I’m aware of the ABC thing, I used to tape that in the early 90s and got that Rush feature along with lots of other neat bits from the Scorpions, Judas Priest, etc. It was only about 4 minutes on ABC but there’s the much longer feature from that same source that I saved on my computer years ago. There’s also the RTB video press kit that some of that came from plus the video shoot BTS, etc. I’ll need to go back and compare that footage from Germany but there’s also a post-show backstage interview with Alex from that tour from Cologne and I’d guess it’s from the same show. As you said, the apparent single camera view leads me to believe it was just short bits taken to potentially go with that interview. And considering the previous Auburn Hills tour and the following Auburn Hills tours were both venue filmed and there are various clips from multiple cameras throughout the set from the RTB show available I’d think it’s at least likely that that whole thing exists somewhere. Are we sure that the ABC stuff is from Germany? My suspicion is that since we know ABC filmed the 1992 Irvine show, and other shows from other bands from Irvine appeared on In Concert (like the Judas Priest one) I think the most likely thing is that in fact those short bits ARE from 1992 in Irvine. Wait!! Correction, it was Atlantic Records that filmed Irvine, not ABC. So who knows… Also, I just checked again and the Rush 1991 video PK says it’s from Auburn Hills, and that’s where the interview footage came from on the ABC feature as well. I’ll review the rest in a bit.

I never had any expectations of a Signals show. Of course there’s no guarantee we would have known about it but there’s never even been a hint that they recorded anything on that tour that’s release quality. At least we know for a fact they recorded release quality shows, in many cases multiple shows, going forward for GUP, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Counterparts, TFE, etc. They obviously also have the master film for the Presto tour at Auburn Hills (and maybe the Mountain View show), they filmed Irvine on the RTB tour (and also evidently part or all of Auburn Hills exists). I’m also hopeful that they filmed a full show on the Counterparts tour (not counting the Auburn Hills show) because the brief clip from that tour in BTLS is NOT from Auburn Hills. I think Signals, like CoS, will sadly just be the only two tours where no high quality audio or video was ever taken.

That’s possible but who knows. I hope so. So far three were announced and released in the spring but the other three were released in the fall and not even announced until Sept/Oct. There’s also at least the possibility of some other 50th anniv product competing for a release window this year that could affect things. But yeah, I’m definitely keeping my eye out now for any news. But even if we don’t hear anything by summer I still don’t think that’s means it’s not coming, multiple people have claimed it’s coming for sure.

Yeah, those three books are essentially the “deleted scenes” from the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary in text form. They compile masses of omitted interview material from that project. It’s a huge mistake to make a gut reaction of “I don’t like Popoff so I’m going to ignore those books.” The majority of info and opinions in them is from the band and associates.

I get it, I was a very productive realtor and just retired early this year after about 30 years. In the moment I took every client and every transaction incredibly seriously and devoted all my energies to resolving problems and accounting for the specific transaction details in each contract and file. But if a client from 2002 bumped into me tomorrow and just said “Oh hey! How are you? Hey thanks again for putting that protective language in our contract that saved us all kinds of grief, especially the second line in special provisions.” All I could do is say “Uh.. you’re welcome” without having any clue what it says. Having said that, I certainly do have specific memories of many clients and homes and contracts, but I’d hate to think that every day I might bump into a client that would be annoyed or offended if I didn’t remember every step of their transaction from years ago. And it doesn’t mean I cared any less when I worked on it if I didn’t remember it later. So I’m sure that when Geddy bumps into a fan who says “Wow! Geddy Lee! Hey, I’ve always wanted to know what the sixth line of Prime Mover meant and did you write that song before or after Turn the Page?” all he can think at first is “Holy crap, what album is he even asking about and what year was that… wasn’t I still in my thirties???” These guys don’t sit around listening to their own albums or watching their old interviews on YouTube or whatever. And it’s also totally unfair to go up to one of them and say “I saw you guys live in 1982 in Colorado, I was wearing the blue sweater and you made a funny face at me, remember?”

The Jacob's Ladder thing wasn't intended as a joke, he has acknowledged that he had to be reminded that they had played it previously. And that doesn't surprise me at all. Again, they don't catalog these things the same way that the fans do. Heck, in the Rio documentary Alex says they hadn't played By-Tor since probably 1978 or so even though it was played for a few tours after that and is in the ESL video. But there's no way he would know that unless someone told him. This isn't a Rush thing, ALL bands are like this.

Exactly. And that shouldn’t be surprising, I’ve heard countless artists not even remember which songs on are which albums and such. Most of them haven’t heard their own songs since they recorded them unless they’re live staples. Casual fans seem to have this expectation that you could randomly bump into Geddy and Alex on the street and hand them instruments and say “Play Different Strings for me” and they could do it on the spot. Most artists live in the moment, the fans know more about what they played on various tours and such than they do. I’ll bet Geddy hasn’t listened to ESL since it was mastered and I seriously doubt he knows what songs are on it. And again, this isn’t a criticism, that’s the case with almost all bands.

Yeah that was sloppy labeling, it’s definitely the Germany show, “Black Forest” bootleg.

I get it, 1984 is when I got seriously into the band. I guess we’ll find out soon.

We obviously all hope you're right, I'm just trying to keep my expectations low. As I've said, we'll know one way or another soon, within a year. If it exists and will ever be released then between the GUP 40th anniversary and the band's 50th anniversary there's no other reasonable opportunity, if it's not this next year then I think that will settle it.

And I still have no idea what this was supposed to mean from the original article: “But down the road when Blue-Ray technology becomes more popular and we are able to extend things out to levels beyond where we are at currently...we can then go back and release the found footage that was not on the original release." The idea that somehow DVD tech was not sufficient to add another 40 minutes of videotape footage is just weird. But hey, whatever it takes just get it all out. I want those later shows too, there are at least two RTB tour shows filmed as referenced above (I didn’t know about the Irvine Meadows one until I read the big touring book). They were on fire late in that tour. I saw them about 45 times, twice on the RTB tour, and it’s the only tour I ever saw where I had front row seats, for the Austin show. Also meant to add, I remember the talk about the 3D footage at the time and I remembered it when I was brainstorming recently about what additional footage there might be, but your post above is the first time I’ve seen anyone mention it since then.