Rod in Toronto Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 The Brazilian cover band Children of the Beast ALREADY did a cover of the song: This means they played it live BEFORE Maiden! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 21st century Maiden I feel is some of the most underappreciated music. Yes, the Beast-Seventh Son run in the 80's is impressive and historically important, but Brave New World, AMOLAD, Book Of Souls are so, so excellent. And 21st century Bruce is a much, much better vocalist than 80's Bruce.I'm of the exact same opinion. I love their later career stuff as well. It really sounds like they're trying to make music they like rather than just bang out snappy singles like the fans want and I appreciate that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 21st century Maiden I feel is some of the most underappreciated music. Yes, the Beast-Seventh Son run in the 80's is impressive and historically important, but Brave New World, AMOLAD, Book Of Souls are so, so excellent. And 21st century Bruce is a much, much better vocalist than 80's Bruce. 21st century Bruce is a much better live singer than 80s Bruce that's for sure. He's more consistent and more disciplined live. But he's not a better singer than he was back then. 21st century Bruce could not do the vocals on Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son anywhere near as good as mid 80s Bruce. Have you heard Bruce's solo albums Accident of Birth and The Chemical Wedding? I will put his vocal performances on those two albums up against anything he's done with Maiden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 21st century Maiden I feel is some of the most underappreciated music. Yes, the Beast-Seventh Son run in the 80's is impressive and historically important, but Brave New World, AMOLAD, Book Of Souls are so, so excellent. And 21st century Bruce is a much, much better vocalist than 80's Bruce. Honestly, the debut Maiden through to No Prayer is for me the classic run in full The newer Bruce era loses nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 The new song is alright, nothing to get worked up about though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) The difference with what Bruce did is that it was a unique composition that brought something new and fresh to the Maiden catalog with Empire Of The Clouds. Steve on the other hand has become obsessed with the same song format (slow, ominous beginning, long and faster main part followed by slow, ominous ending that was pretty much the same as the beginning part) since the X Factor. Steve remains a great writer but he needs to realize less is more sometimes. I have no issue with Rime as that song came along before Steve developed his going on for a little too long syndrome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbine Freight Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) The difference with what Bruce did is that it was a unique composition that brought something new and fresh to the Maiden catalog with Empire Of The Clouds. Steve on the other hand has become obsessed with the same song format (slow, ominous beginning, long and faster main part followed by slow, ominous ending that was pretty much the same as the beginning part) since the X Factor. Steve remains a great writer but he needs to realize less is more sometimes. I have no issue with Rime as that song came along before Steve developed his going on for a little too long syndrome. The problem with the newish overlong Maiden songs is that they are so formulaic. Repeat trite boring melodic passage for 32 bars then modulate it up a key and repeat for another 32 bars. See The Red and the Black for confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) The difference with what Bruce did is that it was a unique composition that brought something new and fresh to the Maiden catalog with Empire Of The Clouds. Steve on the other hand has become obsessed with the same song format (slow, ominous beginning, long and faster main part followed by slow, ominous ending that was pretty much the same as the beginning part) since the X Factor. Steve remains a great writer but he needs to realize less is more sometimes. I have no issue with Rime as that song came along before Steve developed his going on for a little too long syndrome. The problem with the newish overlong Maiden songs is that they are so formulaic. Repeat trite boring melodic passage for 32 bars then modulate it up a key and repeat for another 32 bars. See The Red and the Black for confirmation. Red and Black is a good song but the bass intro/outro serves no purpose. The same with the slower intro to These Colours Don't Run. Why not just start it with the main riff? It's small stuff like that where someone needs to say to Steve 'hey, does this really belong here? It doesn't add anything to make the song better'. What's he gonna do at this point? Fire one of them? Highly unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbine Freight Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) The difference with what Bruce did is that it was a unique composition that brought something new and fresh to the Maiden catalog with Empire Of The Clouds. Steve on the other hand has become obsessed with the same song format (slow, ominous beginning, long and faster main part followed by slow, ominous ending that was pretty much the same as the beginning part) since the X Factor. Steve remains a great writer but he needs to realize less is more sometimes. I have no issue with Rime as that song came along before Steve developed his going on for a little too long syndrome. The problem with the newish overlong Maiden songs is that they are so formulaic. Repeat trite boring melodic passage for 32 bars then modulate it up a key and repeat for another 32 bars. See The Red and the Black for confirmation. Red and Black is a good song but the bass intro/outro serves no purpose. The same with the slower intro to These Colours Don't Run. Why not just start it with the main riff? It's small stuff like that where someone needs to say to Steve 'hey, does this really belong here? It doesn't add anything to make the song better'. What's he gonna do at this point? Fire one of them? Highly unlikely. I wish he'd fire Janick Gers. Talk about a third nipple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 This one feels more like a classic rock song than a heavy metal song, Very 70's with a little feel of Wheel In the Sky (Journey) and classic Nazareth, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) The difference with what Bruce did is that it was a unique composition that brought something new and fresh to the Maiden catalog with Empire Of The Clouds. Steve on the other hand has become obsessed with the same song format (slow, ominous beginning, long and faster main part followed by slow, ominous ending that was pretty much the same as the beginning part) since the X Factor. Steve remains a great writer but he needs to realize less is more sometimes. I have no issue with Rime as that song came along before Steve developed his going on for a little too long syndrome. The problem with the newish overlong Maiden songs is that they are so formulaic. Repeat trite boring melodic passage for 32 bars then modulate it up a key and repeat for another 32 bars. See The Red and the Black for confirmation. Red and Black is a good song but the bass intro/outro serves no purpose. The same with the slower intro to These Colours Don't Run. Why not just start it with the main riff? It's small stuff like that where someone needs to say to Steve 'hey, does this really belong here? It doesn't add anything to make the song better'. What's he gonna do at this point? Fire one of them? Highly unlikely. I wish he'd fire Janick Gers. Talk about a third nipple. I enjoy Janick Gers more as a songwriter than I do as a guitarist. He's got mad chops like the other two, but some of the songs he's on (Dance Of Death, Book Of Souls, Ghost Of The Navigator) are excellent late-era Maiden. Adrian is my favorite of the three and is who I probably try to emulate tone-wise as a guitarist more than anyone else in history. Regarding Steve Harris' songwriting, I tend to agree, though there are some outliers. Blood Brothers was lightning in a bottle and is one of their best songs. The Final Frontier is where they really needed to cut out the fluff and didn't. You could argue the same for AMOLAD but IMO the songs are all so strong it's okay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 My Bruce album tiers - too hard to rank individually PerfectSeventh SonBrave New WorldSomewhere In TimePowerslaveAMOLAD Great, some flawsBook Of SoulsBeastPiece Of Mind The highs are high, the lows are pretty lowDance Of DeathFinal FrontierNo Prayer Fear of the Dark is forever purged from my listening activity. The title track and Afraid To Shoot Strangers are fine and are greatly improved by their live representations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 21st century Maiden I feel is some of the most underappreciated music. Yes, the Beast-Seventh Son run in the 80's is impressive and historically important, but Brave New World, AMOLAD, Book Of Souls are so, so excellent. And 21st century Bruce is a much, much better vocalist than 80's Bruce. 21st century Bruce is a much better live singer than 80s Bruce that's for sure. He's more consistent and more disciplined live. But he's not a better singer than he was back then. 21st century Bruce could not do the vocals on Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son anywhere near as good as mid 80s Bruce. Have you heard Bruce's solo albums Accident of Birth and The Chemical Wedding? I will put his vocal performances on those two albums up against anything he's done with Maiden. It's been a long time but I've listened to both. Chemical Wedding I remember enjoying but I need to revisit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurabw Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I liked the song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I liked the song a lot, and I think they struck the perfect balance between trying something new and preserving their identity. The only thing I found strange was the first solo, which sounds like a collage of ideas that Adrian had for that part, and came out kinda weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 My Maiden rankings- there would be some shifting if done again- But Powerslave would remain on top. 1. Powerslave2. Piece of Mind3. Killers4. Dance of Death5. Seventh Son of A Seventh Son6. Book of Souls7. The Final Frontier8. Somewhere In Time9. Iron Maiden10. No Prayer For The Dying11. The Number Of The Beast12. Brave New World13. A Matter Of Life And Death14. Fear Of The Dark15. Virtual XI16. The X Factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbine Freight Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I like it! It has kind of a Celtic feel in places, and it's not a six-minute idea dragged out to fourteen minutes. Very catchy. I was singing the chorus to myself right away. That's because Bruce and Adrian wrote the song. If Steve had any involvement in the writing than we would be hearing a six minute idea dragged on for fourteen minutes. Unfortunately, that's been Steve's writing flaw since The X Factor. He still writes great stuff but nobody tells him that he sometimes goes too long with it. Bruce wrote the longest song Maiden ever recorded, and the second longest is the fantastic and definitely not too long Rime. (And that said, you're still right. Just worth noting the exceptions.) The difference with what Bruce did is that it was a unique composition that brought something new and fresh to the Maiden catalog with Empire Of The Clouds. Steve on the other hand has become obsessed with the same song format (slow, ominous beginning, long and faster main part followed by slow, ominous ending that was pretty much the same as the beginning part) since the X Factor. Steve remains a great writer but he needs to realize less is more sometimes. I have no issue with Rime as that song came along before Steve developed his going on for a little too long syndrome. The problem with the newish overlong Maiden songs is that they are so formulaic. Repeat trite boring melodic passage for 32 bars then modulate it up a key and repeat for another 32 bars. See The Red and the Black for confirmation. Red and Black is a good song but the bass intro/outro serves no purpose. The same with the slower intro to These Colours Don't Run. Why not just start it with the main riff? It's small stuff like that where someone needs to say to Steve 'hey, does this really belong here? It doesn't add anything to make the song better'. What's he gonna do at this point? Fire one of them? Highly unlikely. I wish he'd fire Janick Gers. Talk about a third nipple. I enjoy Janick Gers more as a songwriter than I do as a guitarist. He's got mad chops like the other two, but some of the songs he's on (Dance Of Death, Book Of Souls, Ghost Of The Navigator) are excellent late-era Maiden. Adrian is my favorite of the three and is who I probably try to emulate tone-wise as a guitarist more than anyone else in history. Regarding Steve Harris' songwriting, I tend to agree, though there are some outliers. Blood Brothers was lightning in a bottle and is one of their best songs. The Final Frontier is where they really needed to cut out the fluff and didn't. You could argue the same for AMOLAD but IMO the songs are all so strong it's okay. Dave Murray is my fave Maiden guitarist. His fluid legato & bending is incredible. I've spent hour upon hour copying his licks. He is also a genuinely nice bloke if you ever meet him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) New album Senjutsu has just been announced! E X C I T E D Edit: https://www.ironmaiden.com/news/article/im17 Edited July 19, 2021 by Segue Myles 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 New album Senjutsu has just been announced! E X C I T E D Edit: https://www.ironmaid...ws/article/im17 I'm worried about 3 Harris songs in a row with more than 10 minutes...it will be the same acoustic bass intro, followed by the cookie cutter Gers riff that has been done a gazillion times. We'll see. I hope to be proven wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 New album Senjutsu has just been announced! E X C I T E D Edit: https://www.ironmaid...ws/article/im17 I'm worried about 3 Harris songs in a row with more than 10 minutes...it will be the same acoustic bass intro, followed by the cookie cutter Gers riff that has been done a gazillion times. We'll see. I hope to be proven wrong. Exactly what I thought when I saw the info on those last three songs. Looks like this album will be crawling to the finish line just like AMOLAD and TFF do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 New album Senjutsu has just been announced! E X C I T E D Edit: https://www.ironmaid...ws/article/im17 I'm worried about 3 Harris songs in a row with more than 10 minutes...it will be the same acoustic bass intro, followed by the cookie cutter Gers riff that has been done a gazillion times. We'll see. I hope to be proven wrong. Exactly what I thought when I saw the info on those last three songs. Looks like this album will be crawling to the finish line just like AMOLAD and TFF do. Oof...I love those two albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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