HemiBeers Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Cut to the Chase is the one that really surprises me. It seems like it would be a good concert song. Al really stretched himself on the solo so I'm wondering if he didn't think he could do it live. I don't hear anything in the song that would be 'hate worthy'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 BU2B must be an outlier as a song played live before it was released on an album, but not after. what about caravan. weren't those two released together prior to CA? Caravan was played on the Clockwork Angels tour but BU2B wasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship2112 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Bu2b2 was played live on the clockwork angels tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship2112 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Bu2b2 was played live on the clockwork angels tourmy bad it wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brava Doh! Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Cut to the Chase is the one that really surprises me. It seems like it would be a good concert song. Al really stretched himself on the solo so I'm wondering if he didn't think he could do it live. I don't hear anything in the song that would be 'hate worthy'. That's the one that has always stood out for me too. And, no matter what people might think of it, "The Big Wheel" seems like EXACTLY the kind of song off RTB that they would have wanted to play live on at least that tour. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddyleegenes Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The only reason I could ever come up with as to why they didn't perform "Cut To The Chase" live, is because Hugh Syme played a little bit of piano on the album version. It's not much, and it's toward the end of the song, but it may have been enough piano that the guys decided they "couldn't reproduce it live" the way they would want to. "Cut To" is a fantastic song and that guitar solo is absolute kick ass. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 The only reason I could ever come up with as to why they didn't perform "Cut To The Chase" live, is because Hugh Syme played a little bit of piano on the album version. It's not much, and it's toward the end of the song, but it may have been enough piano that the guys decided they "couldn't reproduce it live" the way they would want to. "Cut To" is a fantastic song and that guitar solo is absolute kick ass. Hugh has a thing for ripping off the Allman Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 wow, i didn't realize there was such a large chunk of vapor trails that was never played live. then again, it was made after a very hard time in Neil's life so it's understandable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Neil mentioned Hand Over Fist in an interview prior to the start of the R40 tour as an obscure never done live song he was interested in dusting off but it apparently didn't make the grade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 As far as Vapor Trails goes, I was surprised they didn't play the title track on that tour. Maybe they thought it wouldn't translate well live or too many backing vocal tracks to deal with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LerxstDash2112 Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.K.VanMalmsteen Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 For me the 3 biggest oversights are Emotion Detector, Open Secrets, and Cut to the Chase. They are all fantastic songs that I think would have sounded Great live. A little further back in time and I really wish Take a Friend, Making Memories, Fountain of Lamneth, and Lessons would have been played. Since we know they played The Necromancer, it would have cool if they rotated that with Fountain,(and it would be even cooler if we had soundboards of both. :D ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? Haven't heard of many occasions of unexpected random songs or jams.There was the instrumental version of Paint It Black at the SARS benefit gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taurus Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? I don't think they ever did impromptu set list changes but occasionally they dropped a song and then added something, later in the tour. They are the anti-Grateful Dead or Phish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 A long time ago I went through all the known tour lists and made a list of my own. It was of the songs that were played live but have never been released on a live album. I don't know when Rush started recording all their live shows, but in what they do have recorded, there has to be a number of songs which have never been on a live album. I sure wish someone with Rush would start going through all those recordings and that Rush would release an official album of all those songs. On the 2112 special release, a live version of "Twilight Zone" was included. Unfortunately, that recording plays just a notch too fast. It makes Geddy's high-pitch of 1976/77 sound all the higher. To me, that recording is bad. But it's existence tells me that "Twilight Zone" always existed live, so there's got to be a lot more. So would you all buy an album of live previously unreleased songs that aren't exactly the big hits? I know there are some of these songs on bootlegs, but those aren't official, well-produced releases. That's a no brainer, but odds are most of that is on bootlegs which I don't mind all that much. In the case of "The Twilight Zone," there are versions on bootlegs that sound better than the one on the most recent 2112 reissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? Not usually. They were always well rehearsed and didn't even mess with jamming all that much until a bit later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? Haven't heard of many occasions of unexpected random songs or jams.There was the instrumental version of Paint It Black at the SARS benefit gig. Unexpected perhaps, but not random. They likely practiced that one too. When there were equipment problems, impromptu jams did happen over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? Haven't heard of many occasions of unexpected random songs or jams.There was the instrumental version of Paint It Black at the SARS benefit gig. Unexpected perhaps, but not random. They likely practiced that one too. When there were equipment problems, impromptu jams did happen over the years. This being the best example I've heard anyway... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Were all the sets from 2112-onward completely static? Would the guys ever throw random songs in at certain shows? Haven't heard of many occasions of unexpected random songs or jams.There was the instrumental version of Paint It Black at the SARS benefit gig. Unexpected perhaps, but not random. They likely practiced that one too. When there were equipment problems, impromptu jams did happen over the years. This being the best example I've heard anyway... http://youtu.be/HBu69hQZS90 Among the most well-known examples.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 For me the 3 biggest oversights are Emotion Detector, Open Secrets, and Cut to the Chase. They are all fantastic songs that I think would have sounded Great live.A little further back in time and I really wish Take a Friend, Making Memories, Fountain of Lamneth, and Lessons would have been played. Cut to the Chase is a surprise. That was made for arenas. Wonder why they overlooked Lessons for 40 years. It's a great tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 To answer why bad things happen to good songs ...Sometimes it's something personal -- like Alex didn't like a transition or Neil didn't like a lyric. Long-term bands do a lot of horse-trading as the years go by, and if nobody really fights for a song, more than one good song will slip through the cracks. I'm a big U2 fan and man oh man have those Irish lads let some jewels disappear. "So Cruel", for example, is even better than the first time I heard it almost 30 years ago. How many times has it been played in concert? It was played exactly 4 times in 1992. Any other band recorded that, it would be the center of the setlist for decades. But the internal dynamics of the band killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 You Bet Your Life from RTB was never played live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushFanForever Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) The only reason I could ever come up with as to why they didn't perform "Cut To The Chase" live, is because Hugh Syme played a little bit of piano on the album version. It's not much, and it's toward the end of the song, but it may have been enough piano that the guys decided they "couldn't reproduce it live" the way they would want to. "Cut To" is a fantastic song and that guitar solo is absolute kick ass. Hugh Syme didn't play piano on 'Cut To The Chase'. The liner notes for Counterparts would've mentioned this. Hugh's role was Art Direction, Design for Counterparts. Additional keyboards are by John Webster. Edited April 23, 2021 by RushFanForever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_verret Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 To answer why bad things happen to good songs ...Sometimes it's something personal -- like Alex didn't like a transition or Neil didn't like a lyric. Long-term bands do a lot of horse-trading as the years go by, and if nobody really fights for a song, more than one good song will slip through the cracks.I'm a big U2 fan and man oh man have those Irish lads let some jewels disappear. "So Cruel", for example, is even better than the first time I heard it almost 30 years ago. How many times has it been played in concert? It was played exactly 4 times in 1992. Any other band recorded that, it would be the center of the setlist for decades. But the internal dynamics of the band killed it. The Camera Eye was a glaring song that disappeared in their live show for 27 years. I remember reading about and hearing fans wanting Rush to play this song as far back as the RTB tour. I remember also reading that the band was aware of this but they just didn't want to bring it back. No idea of it was all of them or certain individual(s) that kiboshed it over the years until they brought it back for the Time Machine tour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_World_Man Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 No surprise about Tai Shan since everyone except Neil hated that one. It's too bad some of the others weren't ever played live though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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