Blue J Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I like Nessie  I like her too! I like Tahoe Tessie. There is no water in Lake Tahoe. Sightings of her have been hard to find though because they can't get boats into the water. All the docks are on dry land. "Dry Land" Isn't that a Marillion song? Reminded me of Bob Dylan, actually. "...ohhh, and you are on dry land..." (from You're a Big Girl Now)  Love,Robbie Zimmerman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 According to the RationalWiki, "No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy by which an individual attempts to avoid being associated with an unpleasant act by asserting that no true member of the group they belong to would do such a thing." The question I'm trying to ask is that based on the quote I posted, does this fallacy apply to some members of the Rush fanbase, including myself? I'd honestly say yes, it does. I feel like during the whole Neil Retirement Resentment Saga that just occurred, I feel like there was quite a bit of this stuff going on. "You're not a real Rush fan if you support Neil's retirement/don't support Neil's retirement." And of course, I will admit I was guilty of the second one during that whole mess.  I don't want to fight. I don't want to argue or yell at anybody, I just want to ask this question. Does this logical fallacy apply to what happened? Or better yet, if there is another fallacy I'm not aware of, does it apply or not? I'm very sorry. I am an educated man and I am filled with wit, puns and metal knowledge. I don't understand this thread.First time for me. I just don't get it. Well...I'm an idiot, and I don't get it either. I must third this motion. I don't get it either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianice Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Who cares?-------hoot man------it,s a broadlick. moonlick nik tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The OP is saying that he's encountered people who think that no true Rush fan would deny Neil his right to end Rush. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The OP is saying that he's encountered people who think that no true Rush fan would deny Neil his right to end Rush. Okay, that makes sense. However, I don't think it has to do with being a "true Rush fan" so much as just common sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans. Â Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans.  Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature. Is it also human nature to be a bit turned off by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordgalaxy Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 When did someone officially part of the Rush organization send out a survey or test to determine what a "real Rush fan" is anyway? I'm not a fan of superlatives, but in this case I think it applies, anyone who says that someone is or isn't a true fan of anything unless xxx, is a complete and utter moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans. Â Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S065ezDbDNw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans. Â Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature.I really DGAF about whether anyone thinks I'm a true Rush fan or not. It affects my life exactly not at all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans.  Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature.I really DGAF about whether anyone thinks I'm a true Rush fan or not. It affects my life exactly not at all. The sign of a true Rush fan!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x1yyz Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Wot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans.  Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature. Is it also human nature to be a bit turned off by that? I would answer that with a resounding YES. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans. Â Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature.I really DGAF about whether anyone thinks I'm a true Rush fan or not. It affects my life exactly not at all. I need to write a song with those 4 chords and see if anyone gets that it's because I DGAF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) The OP is saying that he's encountered people who think that no true Rush fan would deny Neil his right to end Rush.That's half of the coin. The others say that no true rush fan would say that no one should have the power to end rush. Edited October 31, 2015 by Ancient Ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) It is always a fallacy when some members of a fan base accuse others of not being true fans.  Rush fans, Packer fans, Star Trek fans, Christianity ;) ..... etc., etc., ..... No fan base is immune from such foolishness. There are always some who try to set themselves above others. It's human nature.I really DGAF about whether anyone thinks I'm a true Rush fan or not. It affects my life exactly not at all. I need to write a song with those 4 chords and see if anyone gets that it's because I DGAF. That may be dangerous. You could subliminally brainwash any who hears your song into dropping out of school, quitting their jobs, cheating on their spouses...... ;) ;) ;) Edited October 31, 2015 by Principled Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The OP is saying that he's encountered people who think that no true Rush fan would deny Neil his right to end Rush. That's half of the coin. The others say that no true rush fan would say that no one should have the power to end rush. IMO, it's not a matter of being a TrueRushFan. It's a matter of being a good or bad Rush fan.  Expecting the band or any of its members to change their career plans just to please ME makes me a bad fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 This place has some interesting folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 This place has some interesting folks.I think fraroc would enjoy CP... ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I've spent my first afternoon back here in years reading about all ye hate for Neil. Yet no one has really touched on Alex's arthritis issue. This board's setup doesn't allow me to post a pic as easily as on CP. I was going to post a pic of my pointer and ring fingers on my left hand, which are permanently bent from psoriatic arthritis. Luckily, I'm a bass player so I can still manage. I can play most of the things I could before, except songs like Turn The Page, or any other song that requires one finger to bar 2 strings. The point is, if I were a guitarist, I'd be finished. My fingers make it impossible to play most chords. Alex is 15 years older than me. If his situation is anything like mine, I completely understand his reluctance to continue as well. Â Â 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 No. Obliviously Lorriane has not conducted a TRF scientific poll yet but Id bet it's close to 50/50% on the Neil "resentment" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 No. Obliviously Lorriane has not conducted a TRF scientific poll yet but Id bet it's close to 50/50% on the Neil "resentment" thing. Closer to 80/20 depending on who you ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I've spent my first afternoon back here in years reading about all ye hate for Neil. Yet no one has really touched on Alex's arthritis issue. This board's setup doesn't allow me to post a pic as easily as on CP. I was going to post a pic of my pointer and ring fingers on my left hand, which are permanently bent from psoriatic arthritis. Luckily, I'm a bass player so I can still manage. I can play most of the things I could before, except songs like Turn The Page, or any other song that requires one finger to bar 2 strings. The point is, if I were a guitarist, I'd be finished. My fingers make it impossible to play most chords. Alex is 15 years older than me. If his situation is anything like mine, I completely understand his reluctance to continue as well. Â I know a couple of people that have it as well and they would have great difficulty doing what Alex does. I don't understand all of the hate aimed at Neil either. I guess because he tends to be the solitary one that shuns fan interaction that people feel like they need to pick on him. Even before this last tour and them coming out and saying he wanted to spend time with his family, it was like this. I always admired him and was inspired by his lyrics for a lot of years. I think a lot of people here feel the same way but with all of the hate flying around it's hard to have a positive viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Dumb thread. The "F" in "TRF" doesn't stand for "Fraroc".  Sheesh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I've spent my first afternoon back here in years reading about all ye hate for Neil. Yet no one has really touched on Alex's arthritis issue. This board's setup doesn't allow me to post a pic as easily as on CP. I was going to post a pic of my pointer and ring fingers on my left hand, which are permanently bent from psoriatic arthritis. Luckily, I'm a bass player so I can still manage. I can play most of the things I could before, except songs like Turn The Page, or any other song that requires one finger to bar 2 strings. The point is, if I were a guitarist, I'd be finished. My fingers make it impossible to play most chords. Alex is 15 years older than me. If his situation is anything like mine, I completely understand his reluctance to continue as well. Not sure about the Neil hate. I've been a proponent of Neil retiring since the tour ended. After all he's been through he deserves a chance at a semi-normal family life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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