HereAgain Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I think it's hilarious how Rush showed Paul Stanley the early tapes of Caress and he just couldn't get into it. Is this why Kiss attempted The Elder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Well, Paul's musical sensibilities are pretty simple, bless him. Not sure about the connection to The Elder, never thought about it before.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I don't blame him. The only songs I got initially were Bastille Day and Lakeside Park. It took me many, many years to grow to love Fountain. The remaining two songs I still don't like. It's definitely their weakest album from 1974-1987, but it's still 3/5ths of a great album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugen Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I am still trying to get into Kiss's music after 40 years... The only thing that i can remembered of this band is the drum solo in Kiss Alive album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (RUDT @ Oct 14 2011, 03:45 AM) I am still trying to get into Kiss's music after 40 years... The only thing that i can remembered of this band is the drum solo in Kiss Alive album. Try Double Platinum, their 1978 compilation (originally a double album) - I still listen to it regularly to this day. Kiss were never great lyrically, but they never really tried to be - they were just good old fashioned fun rock and roll with catchy songs and kick-ass guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kiss saw them as like a Zep Jr. and Caress of Steel was a pretty weird leap from Fly By Night. I imagine Paul even liked the first three songs (ITIGB sounds like it could be a Kiss song), but got confused when The Necromancer came on. Both bands rule in their own way. I actually even like Music from The Elder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenken Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (HereAgain @ Oct 13 2011, 11:30 PM) I think it's hilarious how Rush showed Paul Stanley the early tapes of Caress and he just couldn't get into it. Is this why Kiss attempted The Elder? Honestly not too many really liked that album when it came out. They sid in the doc that they werent even sure if they 'got it', meaning they were lost and didnt know what the hell they were trying to do. It was a commercial failure, Rush was playing very small places, sometimes only maybe 30 people showing up. They called it the down the tubes tour. I remember reading an interview a while back about during the writing of that album they went to see Yes, and became very disheartened at how much better than Rush they were. That might have effected the quality of the album, with their morale being at rock bottom. Geddy has even said I think right before the VT tour that its painful for him to listen to that album, that is hasnt aged well at all, which I totally agree with. It sounds really goofy to me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordgt99 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Oct 14 2011, 05:46 AM) QUOTE (RUDT @ Oct 14 2011, 03:45 AM) I am still trying to get into Kiss's music after 40 years... The only thing that i can remembered of this band is the drum solo in Kiss Alive album. Try Double Platinum, their 1978 compilation (originally a double album) - I still listen to it regularly to this day. Kiss were never great lyrically, but they never really tried to be - they were just good old fashioned fun rock and roll with catchy songs and kick-ass guitar. Been a fan of Kiss since I was a kid. Their last album Sonic Boom was decent (MUCH better than Psycho Circus) but not in the same league as their 70s output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostworks Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Oct 14 2011, 05:40 AM) ...definitely their weakest album from 1974-1987... why do you keep mistaking COS for 2112? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyRulz Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (HereAgain @ Oct 13 2011, 11:30 PM) I think it's hilarious how Rush showed Paul Stanley the early tapes of Caress and he just couldn't get into it. They don't say "he couldn't get into it." They say "he didn't get it" (i.e., understand it). There's a difference. Perhaps he really hated it, perhaps not. The documentary doesn't say either way. All we know is that he didn't understand it. Edited October 14, 2011 by GeddyRulz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I happened to catch an hour of BTLS on moviepix the other night. Geddy said that they were pretty high when they wrote COS, so there's a large part of the explaination there. Not that they don't use drugs/alcohol through their lives, but maybe because of the commercial failure of COS, it was a lesson to the boys that too much indulging while in the creative process is bad for business (just like killing Pratt is, lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (RUDT @ Oct 14 2011, 04:45 AM) I am still trying to get into Kiss's music after 40 years... The only thing that i can remembered of this band is the drum solo in Kiss Alive album. I gave up trying to like them years ago. From the time I was in my early teens well into my early thirties, I tried getting into the stuff they've done and I just can't. They have a few songs I consider flukes (because they're actually good) but overall, they just don't do anything for me. And honestly, the makeup? That was over 30 years ago, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy nights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeaveMyThingAlone Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Atomic @ Oct 14 2011, 10:30 AM) I happened to catch an hour of BTLS on moviepix the other night. Geddy said that they were pretty high when they wrote COS, so there's a large part of the explaination there. Not that they don't use drugs/alcohol through their lives, but maybe because of the commercial failure of COS, it was a lesson to the boys that too much indulging while in the creative process is bad for business (just like killing Pratt is, lol). Yes, I'm absolutely positive there was no weed smoked during the creative process of 2112 or any albums after that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 He was correct....not a very good Rush album. Even Peart would agree. Good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Babycat @ Oct 14 2011, 12:16 PM) Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy nights... A wonderful pop song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 That's ok, Paul hates The Elder I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (ghostworks @ Oct 14 2011, 08:16 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Oct 14 2011, 05:40 AM) ...definitely their weakest album from 1974-1987... why do you keep mistaking COS for 2112? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nappy2112 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 QUOTE (metaldad @ Oct 14 2011, 04:49 PM) That's ok, Paul hates The Elder I love it Don't care for The Elder , but at least they tried something different other than Disco. Caress is not one of my favorites but I don't hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 That's cool. I've never gotten into Kiss even though I am in their wheelhouse: male, like to party born in '66. When I was 10-12 years old I was literally the only kid that I knew that didn't like them. I just thought they sucked and preferred Zep and Sabbath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I don't blame them for not getting into it. CoS is far from what was/is considered to be "good" sounding rock by the masses. The only songs I can get into are Lakeside Park and Bastille Day, and only when they're on a good sound system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugen Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Yes COS is not a great cd, but it contains elements and energy that would be the start for the band to develop their own style by creating more mature and cohesive songs, like 2112. Fountain of Lamneth was a their first attempt to make a epic song, while it contains some nice parts, it was lacking in structure and cohesion. Necromancer contains a nice atmosphere, but a bit repetitive. As for the rest of the cd, the short songs was the continuation of Fly By Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndseyG Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The Necromancer is one my "six". The other songs I love. I even learnt Panacea on my Ocarina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicjams Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 havent liked a KISS record since love gun. and for the record, caress of steel is awesome i think, it's just a bit silly and over-the-top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmai Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 QUOTE (Storm Shadow @ Oct 14 2011, 06:42 AM) Kiss saw them as like a Zep Jr. and Caress of Steel was a pretty weird leap from Fly By Night. I imagine Paul even liked the first three songs (ITIGB sounds like it could be a Kiss song), but got confused when The Necromancer came on. Both bands rule in their own way. I actually even like Music from The Elder. I think I'm going bald is a joke on Kiss' I'm going blind PS Kiss is my favourite band with Rush and Queen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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