Grunge vs. Hair

[RUSHHEAD666]

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 06:05 PM)

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ May 6 2010, 07:14 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 06:39 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:36 PM) I just want to say to Earl that I could USE A LOT OF CAPITOL LETTERS AND EXPLANATION POINTS WHEN ARGUING FOR GRUNGE BUT IT WON'T MAKE ME ANYMORE RIGHT IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!! Fact is grunge was WAY F U C K I N better than hair metal shit and that is the truth. SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN AMEN!!! PEAL JAM STONE TEMPLE PILOTS SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS SCREAMING TREES These bands beat the ever loving shit out of puke inducing bands like Cinderella, Winger, Warrant, or Poison! Is this opinion or fact? ITS A DAMN FACT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! ROCK ON BITCHES!!!!       am I right? I'M TICK!!! F U C K I N A I AM!!!!!!!!!         Prepare for an expert to chime in and explain that some of those bands you listed are not grunge. Having said that, any one of those bands are better than all hair metal put together. Those bands were all basically labeled as part of the grunge scene whether or not they were.   Little known fact, Ticks band in the 90's played almost 80% of this style music with some originals and 70's mixed in. and if I do say so, I was a kick ass vocalist! CLASSIC TICK! i mean classic tick.     Dude, I do like the grunge scene, but that scene killed the guitar solo and to me, that SUCKED!   I was heavily into the SUBPOP label way back when. Is Pearl Jam really considered grunge? I don't think so.   Green River? Mother Love Bone? Perhaps. However some label Mother Love Bone as GLAM PUNK!   L7 is a cool band. The Grungeaways? I mean The Runaways from Seattle?   What about Mudhoney? TAD?   Mad Season? Temple Of The Dog?   These are real grunge bands. Bands that do FUKKING ROCK.   Would you classify Smashing Pumpkins as grunge?   STP is from L.A. not Seatte. Are the Stone Temple Pilots really grunge?   I say NO. Or to quote you "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"   However I will take the cake from you and eat it too.   Signed,   "UNSKINNY BOP" i didn't think rushhead666 was going to be the expert that I predicted would rise and categorize but here we go.... LOL! Thanks Ways!!!   I think "I Know A Little" about Hair Metal! Southern Rock too! I was going to get into this thread big time but I had a bad day at work and couldn't get away. Oh well shit happens.   Would you consider Skid Row a Hair Metal Band?   Again, they might start out that way but eventually the cream does rise to the top.   Didn't Jon Bon Jovi discover Skid Row?   Their first album seemed very commercial to me. Some could argue that they were trying to target market the hair metal audience with that one. "18 And Life" was a major MTV hit along with others off of their self titled album.   But then something must have clicked in Bach's head. They nailed down the Atlantic Records contract so they were in. I love the way this band also went away from the "hair metal" cliche" sound.   Their sophomore release "Slave To The Grind" is an epic ass kicker! If you beg to differ, then get down on those dirty knees and turn up "Beggar's Banquet."     A f***ing hard rock masterpiece.   Then just when you thought that hard rock was dead, the band released a record that could seriously melt the ears off of the sides of your melon they put out "Subhuman Race." The record is a scorcher. Facemelter. (borrowing that term from Y&T)   Anyway, where would TESLA fit in the Hair Metal Genre? How about Great White?   Bands with big hair also liked to bring the BLUES. The shredding guitar solos that totally kicked ass!   Again, I had no problem with the grunge scene. I was addicted to the Sub Pop Label too. However I had two issues with Grunge.   1. Grunge totally killed the guitar solo.   I find it hypocritical that all of you who love grunge on here also love RUSH. I bet you are same people who love to jack off to Alex when he shreds on say "La Villa" or "2112."   Seems you guys like to have your cake and eat too, just like me.   2. Grunge music is the total opposite of Hair Metal. Spandex, hair spray, big lettuce, make up, pink leather, and sparkly shoulder pads. The guys in the grunge movement simply wore old blue jeans and flannel shirts. That's cool and all, but the music was much more dreary and depressing. I wonder if the suicide rate went up in Seattle thanks to grunge music.   Say what you will about the flamboyant "gay" look of hair metal dudes, but come on, at least the music was upbeat filled with youth, sex, drugs and rock n' roll!! Fat drum fills and killer riffs and guitar solos.   Hey Tick!!! I love you man, so lay back down on the couch, have a Rainier Ale, I mean a can of "Green Death" and start eating my "Moist Vagina."   My eye shadow is baby blue tonight and it matches my eyes!   Oh and it "Smells Like Teen Spirit Of Radio" under my shaved armpits!     I am listening to Black Sabbath's "LIVE EVIL" at the moment can you tell?   REAL ROCK N' FUKKIN' ROLL!       Don't forget about bands like:     BLACK N' BLUE BRITNY FOX WHITE LION KIX TANGIER EUROPE WRATHCHILD TRIXTER JUNKYARD JACKYL JETBOY TNT SLAUGHTER       Oh man, the list is endless, unlike that of grunge.   Check out the link below and "Hold On To 18!" It suxx getting old......       http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/b...l-hair-art.html       Which musical genre made the record companies more revenue? HAIR METAL or GRUNGE?   The answer is simple. HAIR METAL.   Holy Shit!! Def Leppard's "HYSTERIA" just kicked in on my stereo. Talk about a HIT MAKER, LOVE MAKER, SOUL SHAKER BABY!     "Pour Some Sugar On Me" Tick!!! My mouth is wide open. Just like my glistening vagina....   WOMEN!!! WOMEN!!! LOTS OF PRETTY WOMEN!!!!

[RUSHHEAD666]

I'm so excited about this thread that I might even get a bunch on different IP addresses and register just to "fluff" up the Hair Metal votes!!

 

After all, since I do love Hair Metal, I am a great "fluffer" on porno sites...

[JohnnyBlaze]

QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ May 7 2010, 12:09 AM)

Tick, I can tell my post in the other thread inspired this. I pick hair metal over grunge. Poison was "OK" and I never cared for Warrant. I liked Motley Crue, Cinderella, some Ratt. I didn't dislike grunge, but it stole the whole idea of "alternative" and made it non-alternative.

What do you mean by "alternative"? And what do you mean by stealing it? My idea of alternative back in the late 80s was The Cure, The Smiths, and P.I.L. I see no connection between Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc. musically or in attire with those bands. Besides, those 'grunge' bands (like the better ones that I just mentioned) had already been around before the grunge term even came about. I wouldn't doubt if some dickhead at Rolling Stone magazine came up with the term and tried to make it the in thang

[treeduck]

QUOTE (Steevo @ May 6 2010, 09:06 PM)

QUOTE (treeduck @ May 7 2010, 10:43 AM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 05:38 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 6 2010, 06:36 PM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 05:27 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 6 2010, 04:27 PM) Whitesnake were formed in 1976 were big in 1979 and 1980 well before America ever knew who they were, they were a blues/rock outfit. Putting this band in the hair metal catergory, just because they jumped on a bandwagon image-wise in the late 80s doesn't make sense, you might as well call Judas Priest hair metal, a band from the same era give or take a couple of years, because they did the exact same thing in 1986-88 after being around since 74... how do you lump "America" in to a few people thinking Whitesnake were just a hair band? u r better than that duckie. I first heard them with Ready and Willing around 1980. They actually played Fool For Your Loving quite a bit on the radio here.   I'm not sure I can give a pass to all bands that were pre-hair that jumped on the bandwagon (like Dokken) of hair to sell records but Whitesnake definitely gets a pass. So does Yes, of course. Go look at some of those videos from the time of Big Generator or 90125 and they have that hair band look to a certain extent.... Well it's Americans who keep calling Whitesnake hair metal. Anyone over here in the UK and Europe knew the band as a blues based hard rock years before the term hair metal was ever created. Who else is there, Japanese? Australians? someone is...it's in this thread... F U C K YOUR POST, READ MINE!!!       I don't like either Tick, not the Warrants, the Cinderellas, the Great Whites, the Poisons, nor the Pearl Jams, The Nirvanas, the soundgardens, the alice in chains, not any of them, I passed on all of them...   I just don't like any of them... Your loss and thank GOD for that...

[Earthshine]

Hair all the way!

[Xanadoood]

Grunge wasn't even a real scene.

 

Like others have stated, it was part of the sup pop scene. Bands like Pearl Jam were not " Grunge"...they were a straight up rock band.

 

Soundgarden always reminded me of Sabbath, with their guitar tones. Sabbath and punk mixed in a blender.

 

The whole Hair Metal scene was silly and lacking in substance. I mean, by '90 could anyone take that shit serious anymore?..I understand the whole sex, drugs and rock 'n roll credo, but it got to be a complete circus.

 

They did have some great lead guitarists though. Lynch, Dimartini, Beach, Sykes...these guys could play melodic, ripping guitar solos.

 

And thats the biggest letdown for me when it comes to the whole early 90s scene. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. No one could play a solo like George Lynch, and they ridiculed the whole concept of soloing. I found it sort of bizarre.

 

I can appreciate the hair metal scene because i grew up with it, and it's all in good fun. But musically, i'll take " grunge" any day. They took more risks, and i really don 't want to see some dude wearing assless chaps.

[Tick]

Earl, you said Bon Jovi discovered Skid Row. Umm, BON JOVI SUCKS ASS!!!

 

By the way, I opened for Skid Row at Toads Place in New Haven in 1995.

 

I admit I'm not that familiar with Skid Row, but I have a Frameshift album with Sebastian Bach on vocals and I think he is amazing!

 

Some bands that sucked in hair metal...

White Lion

Slaughter

Cinderella

Warrant

Brittany Fox

 

and the worst offender of them all.......POISON!

[invisibleairwaves]

Hair metal is little better than the "boy bands" of the late 90's. Totally style-over-substance. Grunge got commercialized too, but never to the same degree.

[Tick]

QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ May 7 2010, 08:37 AM)

Hair metal is little better than the "boy bands" of the late 90's. Totally style-over-substance. Grunge got commercialized too, but never to the same degree.

The only grunge your old enough to remember is the stuff that was in your diaper.

 

Sorry IA, I couldn't resist.

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

QUOTE (metaldad @ May 7 2010, 01:37 AM)

QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 05:58 PM) QUOTE (Hatchetaxe&saw @ May 6 2010, 06:56 PM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ May 6 2010, 10:40 PM) "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" is the greatest song ever written.  And it's by the ultimate hair band.  Only Bon Jovi can provide more insight and originality with lyrics.  I rest my case. This. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think they are pulling your leg bro Ever so slightly.

[VarianStar]

This poll inspired me to break out some Screaming Trees last night. Great stuff. Thanks tick!

[Tick]

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ May 7 2010, 08:32 AM)

This poll inspired me to break out some Screaming Trees last night. Great stuff. Thanks tick!

In the shadow of the season

To find a reason to carry on

 

 

The Trees kick some serious ass!

[ReRushed]

[Tick]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ May 7 2010, 09:32 AM)

This poll inspired me to break out some Screaming Trees last night.  Great stuff.  Thanks tick!

I used to perform, "I nearly lost you" back in the 90's. When I formed my band in 1992, we were hugely successful because we were the ONLY band who was playing music from that era as it was breaking. All the other local bands were stuck in the 70's. People would pack in bars to watch us play Peal Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Live, Collective Soul, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Radiohead, and more. Plus we palyed Dreamline, and Spirit of Radio!

Most of the other bands were just playing over played 70's songs. If I heard Tush one more time I was gonna hurl!

Well within 6 months, every band followed suit and copied our success. Then everyone was playing 90's stuff.

Edited May 7, 2010 by tick

[Stormtron]

Friends don't let friends listen to Bulletboys.

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

QUOTE (tick @ May 7 2010, 01:52 PM)

QUOTE (VarianStar @ May 7 2010, 09:32 AM) This poll inspired me to break out some Screaming Trees last night.  Great stuff.  Thanks tick! I used to perform, "I nearly lost you" back in the 90's. When I formed my band in 1992, we were hugely successful because we were the ONLY band who was playing music from that era as it was breaking. All the other local bands were stuck in the 70's. People would pack in bars to watch us play Peal Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Live, Collective Soul, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Radiohead, and more. Plus we palyed Dreamline, and Spirit of Radio! Most of the other bands were just playing over played 70's songs. If I heard Tush one more time I was gonna hurl! Well within 6 months, every band followed suit and copied our success. Then everyone was playing 90's stuff. Sweet Oblivion and Dust are fantastic.   No One Knows and Winter Song from S.O. are real goosebumpers.

[Presto-digitation]

I like a little bit of all things rock/metal. And yes, these both have roots in rock/metal before we define them as "something else."

 

Overall I've probably listened to and enjoyed more hair metal than grunge, so I'll side with it. However some of the best songs I've ever heard come from early Pearl Jam or Alice In Chains.

[Tick]

I am curious as to how my music would be categorized? If anyone has a chance, give me your opinion?

 

http://www.myspace.com/primeelementrocks

[1-0-0-1-0-0-1]

QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:43 PM)

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 06:39 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:36 PM) I just want to say to Earl that I could USE A LOT OF CAPITOL LETTERS AND EXPLANATION POINTS WHEN ARGUING FOR GRUNGE BUT IT WON'T MAKE ME ANYMORE RIGHT IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!! Fact is grunge was WAY F U C K I N better than hair metal shit and that is the truth. SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN AMEN!!! PEAL JAM STONE TEMPLE PILOTS SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS SCREAMING TREES These bands beat the ever loving shit out of puke inducing bands like Cinderella, Winger, Warrant, or Poison! Is this opinion or fact? ITS A DAMN FACT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! ROCK ON BITCHES!!!!       am I right? I'M TICK!!! F U C K I N A I AM!!!!!!!!!         Prepare for an expert to chime in and explain that some of those bands you listed are not grunge. Having said that, any one of those bands are better than all hair metal put together. Those bands were all basically labeled as part of the grunge scene whether or not they were. Okay, so what bands would we categorize as actual grunge bands, and not just all the heavy bands from Seattle that were lumped together during that era? For instance, if Nirvana was a "grunge" band, what made them grungy?   (That question is directed at anyone, BTW.)

[EveryNerveAware]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ May 7 2010, 11:23 AM)

Okay, so what bands would we categorize as actual grunge bands, and not just all the heavy bands from Seattle that were lumped together during that era? For instance, if Nirvana was a "grunge" band, what made them grungy? (That question is directed at anyone, BTW.)

 

The Wikipedia definition of "Grunge":

 

Grunge is generally characterized by heavily distorted electric guitars, contrasting song dynamics, and apathetic or angst-filled lyrics.

[Tick]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ May 7 2010, 11:23 AM)

QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:43 PM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 06:39 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:36 PM) I just want to say to Earl that I could USE A LOT OF CAPITOL LETTERS AND EXPLANATION POINTS WHEN ARGUING FOR GRUNGE BUT IT WON'T MAKE ME ANYMORE RIGHT IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!! Fact is grunge was WAY F U C K I N better than hair metal shit and that is the truth. SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN AMEN!!! PEAL JAM STONE TEMPLE PILOTS SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS SCREAMING TREES These bands beat the ever loving shit out of puke inducing bands like Cinderella, Winger, Warrant, or Poison! Is this opinion or fact? ITS A DAMN FACT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! ROCK ON BITCHES!!!!       am I right? I'M TICK!!! F U C K I N A I AM!!!!!!!!!         Prepare for an expert to chime in and explain that some of those bands you listed are not grunge. Having said that, any one of those bands are better than all hair metal put together. Those bands were all basically labeled as part of the grunge scene whether or not they were. Okay, so what bands would we categorize as actual grunge bands, and not just all the heavy bands from Seattle that were lumped together during that era? For instance, if Nirvana was a "grunge" band, what made them grungy?   (That question is directed at anyone, BTW.) That's the whole thing in a nutshell. None of these bands really looked or sounded the same but all that emerged during the early 90's. What did grunge actually mean? I think it was a bare bones we don't give a shit what we look like approach. They were bands that rebelled against the cookie cutter pretty boy assembly line music. Grunge really meant, we won't wear hair spray or spandex. We will let the music do the talking.

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ May 7 2010, 03:23 PM)

QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:43 PM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 06:39 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:36 PM) I just want to say to Earl that I could USE A LOT OF CAPITOL LETTERS AND EXPLANATION POINTS WHEN ARGUING FOR GRUNGE BUT IT WON'T MAKE ME ANYMORE RIGHT IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!! Fact is grunge was WAY F U C K I N better than hair metal shit and that is the truth. SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN AMEN!!! PEAL JAM STONE TEMPLE PILOTS SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS SCREAMING TREES These bands beat the ever loving shit out of puke inducing bands like Cinderella, Winger, Warrant, or Poison! Is this opinion or fact? ITS A DAMN FACT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! ROCK ON BITCHES!!!!       am I right? I'M TICK!!! F U C K I N A I AM!!!!!!!!!         Prepare for an expert to chime in and explain that some of those bands you listed are not grunge. Having said that, any one of those bands are better than all hair metal put together. Those bands were all basically labeled as part of the grunge scene whether or not they were. Okay, so what bands would we categorize as actual grunge bands, and not just all the heavy bands from Seattle that were lumped together during that era? For instance, if Nirvana was a "grunge" band, what made them grungy?   (That question is directed at anyone, BTW.) Plaid shirts, of course, silly!   You could play Stockhausen on the kazoo, put on a plaid shirt...... SHAZAM.....grunge artiste!

[Alex]

Grunge

[sullysue]

QUOTE (Hatchetaxe&saw @ May 7 2010, 10:53 AM)

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ May 7 2010, 03:23 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:43 PM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ May 6 2010, 06:39 PM) QUOTE (tick @ May 6 2010, 06:36 PM) I just want to say to Earl that I could USE A LOT OF CAPITOL LETTERS AND EXPLANATION POINTS WHEN ARGUING FOR GRUNGE BUT IT WON'T MAKE ME ANYMORE RIGHT IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!! Fact is grunge was WAY F U C K I N better than hair metal shit and that is the truth. SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN AMEN!!! PEAL JAM STONE TEMPLE PILOTS SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS SCREAMING TREES These bands beat the ever loving shit out of puke inducing bands like Cinderella, Winger, Warrant, or Poison! Is this opinion or fact? ITS A DAMN FACT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! ROCK ON BITCHES!!!!       am I right? I'M TICK!!! F U C K I N A I AM!!!!!!!!!         Prepare for an expert to chime in and explain that some of those bands you listed are not grunge. Having said that, any one of those bands are better than all hair metal put together. Those bands were all basically labeled as part of the grunge scene whether or not they were. Okay, so what bands would we categorize as actual grunge bands, and not just all the heavy bands from Seattle that were lumped together during that era? For instance, if Nirvana was a "grunge" band, what made them grungy?   (That question is directed at anyone, BTW.) Plaid shirts, of course, silly!   You could play Stockhausen on the kazoo, put on a plaid shirt...... SHAZAM.....grunge artiste!   That pretty much sums it up.