laughedatbytime Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? I dislike all of those but it’s not hard to understand how they sell records. Looks and familiarity (musically) go a long way for many people. Edited August 21, 2020 by JohnnyBlaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? They're pretty much the same thing. My kids (teenagers) like Drake and Cardi B.'s music as near as I can tell, but none of my friends do, to the best of my knowledge. My kids would say the music is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? They're pretty much the same thing. My kids (teenagers) like Drake and Cardi B.'s music as near as I can tell, but none of my friends do, to the best of my knowledge. My kids would say the music is good.My son's the same age (or pretty close) as Bieber but always found that stuff garbage. As far as I know, his friends are in the same camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I don't turn it off if it comes on. Thankfully I don't own the album or listen to passive radio (ie - random streaming channel 2243C), so I won't have to find out if I actually would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? They're pretty much the same thing. My kids (teenagers) like Drake and Cardi B.'s music as near as I can tell, but none of my friends do, to the best of my knowledge. My kids would say the music is good.My son's the same age (or pretty close) as Bieber but always found that stuff garbage. As far as I know, his friends are in the same camp. That's good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Awful. The band of Appetite for Destruction was no more. November Rain is a bloated mess with really bad singing. sounds like a Spinal Tap record review .. "Shit Sandwich" lol Hahaha! I was just talking to a buddy of mine and we were half jokingly talking about starting a Spinal Tap tribute band. Shark Sandwich sounded like a good name to us! I’ll add that I really like GnR, but they got too big too fast. Firing Steven Adler - as necessary as that might’ve been - lost them that perfect greasy touch. As soon as Rose started hiring these technicians - the magic was lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithrandir Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? I dislike all of those but it’s not hard to understand how they sell records. Looks and familiarity (musically) go a long way for many people.Pop music is very listenable. I lack the requisite musical knowledge to explain why pop music is pleasing to the ears of many. It just sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Awful. The band of Appetite for Destruction was no more. November Rain is a bloated mess with really bad singing. sounds like a Spinal Tap record review .. "Shit Sandwich" lol Hahaha! I was just talking to a buddy of mine and we were half jokingly talking about starting a Spinal Tap tribute band. Shark Sandwich sounded like a good name to us! I’ll add that I really like GnR, but they got too big too fast. Firing Steven Adler - as necessary as that might’ve been - lost them that perfect greasy touch. As soon as Rose started hiring these technicians - the magic was lost.Already been taken. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? I dislike all of those but it’s not hard to understand how they sell records. Looks and familiarity (musically) go a long way for many people.Pop music is very listenable. I lack the requisite musical knowledge to explain why pop music is pleasing to the ears of many. It just sounds good. Bieber's hits don't sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? I dislike all of those but it’s not hard to understand how they sell records. Looks and familiarity (musically) go a long way for many people.Pop music is very listenable. I lack the requisite musical knowledge to explain why pop music is pleasing to the ears of many. It just sounds good. Bieber's hits don't sound good.None of that shit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithrandir Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? I dislike all of those but it’s not hard to understand how they sell records. Looks and familiarity (musically) go a long way for many people.Pop music is very listenable. I lack the requisite musical knowledge to explain why pop music is pleasing to the ears of many. It just sounds good. Bieber's hits don't sound good.None of that shit does.wrong yet again! Just not your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Awful. The band of Appetite for Destruction was no more. November Rain is a bloated mess with really bad singing. sounds like a Spinal Tap record review .. "Shit Sandwich" lol Hahaha! I was just talking to a buddy of mine and we were half jokingly talking about starting a Spinal Tap tribute band. Shark Sandwich sounded like a good name to us! I’ll add that I really like GnR, but they got too big too fast. Firing Steven Adler - as necessary as that might’ve been - lost them that perfect greasy touch. As soon as Rose started hiring these technicians - the magic was lost.Already been taken. DAMMIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Guns N Roses is a band you either love 'em or you despise them I’m guessing if there were like a 5 or 6 option poll ranging from “Love ‘em” at the top and “I despise them” down at the bottom, you’d find quite a few TRFers choosing the middle answers roasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I typed in “Justin Bieber” on YouTube and the first tune I found of his had 2.2B views. The next, 2.1B. The third, 1.5B. That's sad. I know music is mostly subjective but those Justin Bieber songs are objectively crap. No one has a single reasonable argument to call those songs "good" or quality. It's entirely subjective. Someone who likes Bieber can tell you why his songs are good. If you don't like Axl's voice, or Slash's playing, you're probably not going to like November Rain, or Patience, or Sweet Child O' Mine for that matter. I've always liked it. Record sales, or YouTube views, don't make something good, because that's entirely subjective. But if you find yourself saying something to the effect of, "I don't know how s/he sold so many records, I don't know anyone who likes him/her," you might want to think about whether that has more to do with the music or with your circle of acquaintances.With Bieber (or Drake or Cardi B), which comes first? They're pretty much the same thing. My kids (teenagers) like Drake and Cardi B.'s music as near as I can tell, but none of my friends do, to the best of my knowledge. My kids would say the music is good. Though not by much, Drake and Cardi B actually have enough of a better reputation than Justin Bieber to warrant putting Bieber in his own category of most hated pop musicians. Drake has a couple critically acclaimed albums under his belt (albeit from years ago) and can rightfully call himself one of the more influential musicians of the past ten years. Cardi B at least when she was first coming up was seen as the long awaited alternative to Nicki Minaj's monopoly in the world of popular female rappers. Bieber started out as a tween pop pretty boy with a mildly annoying air about him, got into his teens and 20s while getting into a lot of trouble with the law (for reasons I don't remember and don't care to look up) ruining his innocent image, had a decent commercial resurgence with a couple pretty big hits around 2015 that actually garnered him a dash of critical positivity (the only positivity the critics have ever given him), then made money doing features on other artists tracks until this past year when he tried to top the charts with an album which has been called almost shockingly derivative and an annoying lead single which the remnants of his entire fanbase couldn't (or wouldn't) get to number one over the groundswell movement behind an up and coming trap rapper named Roddy Rich. My point in giving that rundown being that Beiber had but one brief flirt with gaining some critical respect (not just from professional critics, but from general non-Bieber fan music fans) in the mid 2010's and subsequently dashed them with more content as bland and annoying as his early teeny bop songs. He has incredibly little respect from many music fans for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amps211 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Awful. The band of Appetite for Destruction was no more. November Rain is a bloated mess with really bad singing. sounds like a Spinal Tap record review .. "Shit Sandwich" lol Hahaha! I was just talking to a buddy of mine and we were half jokingly talking about starting a Spinal Tap tribute band. Shark Sandwich sounded like a good name to us! I’ll add that I really like GnR, but they got too big too fast. Firing Steven Adler - as necessary as that might’ve been - lost them that perfect greasy touch. As soon as Rose started hiring these technicians - the magic was lost.Already been taken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaTHtMmPDJo LOL .. I like the Name "The Cucumbers" for a ST tribute band hahahaha .. "they run screaming!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Awful. The band of Appetite for Destruction was no more. November Rain is a bloated mess with really bad singing. sounds like a Spinal Tap record review .. "Shit Sandwich" lol Hahaha! I was just talking to a buddy of mine and we were half jokingly talking about starting a Spinal Tap tribute band. Shark Sandwich sounded like a good name to us! I’ll add that I really like GnR, but they got too big too fast. Firing Steven Adler - as necessary as that might’ve been - lost them that perfect greasy touch. As soon as Rose started hiring these technicians - the magic was lost.Already been taken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaTHtMmPDJo LOL .. I like the Name "The Cucumbers" for a ST tribute band "Nunn-Moreblack and the Covers" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odFJMGKiJ0M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amps211 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Awful. The band of Appetite for Destruction was no more. November Rain is a bloated mess with really bad singing. sounds like a Spinal Tap record review .. "Shit Sandwich" lol Hahaha! I was just talking to a buddy of mine and we were half jokingly talking about starting a Spinal Tap tribute band. Shark Sandwich sounded like a good name to us! I’ll add that I really like GnR, but they got too big too fast. Firing Steven Adler - as necessary as that might’ve been - lost them that perfect greasy touch. As soon as Rose started hiring these technicians - the magic was lost.Already been taken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaTHtMmPDJo LOL .. I like the Name "The Cucumbers" for a ST tribute band"Nunn-Moreblack and the Covers" "Dust for Vomit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 How do you feel about this popular rock song? I expect a polarizing result here.How do you feel about this popular rock song? I expect a polarizing result here. Good expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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