taurus Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just fantastic Rush songs. If I could put an album together of those two it would go like this: Show Don't TellDreamlineBravadoRoll The BonesThe PassWhere's My ThingChain LightingGhost Of A ChancePrestoAvailable Light and that would make a damn fine album 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeson90 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Most awkward era for me was RTB, Great album but the progression just not cutting-edge. Absolutely nothing too new. Suffice to say the awkwardness completely sorted out by Counterparts, the band was back showing the kids how seriously cool they were Presto wasnt awkward just part a natural progression, rather than a little tired, superb album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) Awkward. Edited July 19, 2019 by lerxt1990 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Not Awkward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraroc Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 Not Awkward. Well think of it this way. Is Moving Pictures a synth era Rush album or is it a prog era Rush album? For me, it's both and neither at the same time. It's in a league of its own and thats one of the things that made MP so great 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 "Presto" is one of the greatest albums on the Earth. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. So cliche and yet so true. Melodic and slick production. Some of Neil's best lyrics. Keep smoking that crack rock kids! "Anagram (For Mongo)" is a masterpiece. Nice homage to "Blazing Saddles!" Hello???????? The record is amazing. Love the keyboards. Even the keys in "Red Tide." So melodic. I guess you so called Rush Fans don't like melody in your music. Enjoy "Vapor Trails." then. Pure shite. #SAFE JMO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) LMAO!!!!! LIFESON MAKES AMAZING ORGASMS!!!! Well with his fingers on strings! Edited July 19, 2019 by RUSHHEAD666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Their songwriting style got very "safe" in the Hine era. The melodies and structures and recorded performances were fine but they were really holding back compared to the musical chops they showed on the previous albums. It wasn't until Counterparts where they seemed to cut loose and start having fun again (Cut To The Chase & Between Sun and Moon are good examples) "Counterparts" is the last great Rush record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Not Awkward. Well think of it this way. Is Moving Pictures a synth era Rush album or is it a prog era Rush album? For me, it's both and neither at the same time. It's in a league of its own and thats one of the things that made MP so great It was definitely stage one..or 0.9... and Vital Signs, last track, ushered in the full synth era imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Their songwriting style got very "safe" in the Hine era. The melodies and structures and recorded performances were fine but they were really holding back compared to the musical chops they showed on the previous albums. It wasn't until Counterparts where they seemed to cut loose and start having fun again (Cut To The Chase & Between Sun and Moon are good examples) "Counterparts" is the last great Rush record. I remember listening to that album and thinking the hard rockers are back :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMontanaSKY Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 My music teacher disliked "Presto"- he always preferred the "occult" style Rush albums. IMO the albums are reflections of the times and a collective expression of the band's creative thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraroc Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 Not Awkward. Well think of it this way. Is Moving Pictures a synth era Rush album or is it a prog era Rush album? For me, it's both and neither at the same time. It's in a league of its own and thats one of the things that made MP so great It was definitely stage one..or 0.9... and Vital Signs, last track, ushered in the full synth era imo. Personally I'd say The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt ushered in the synths more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Kid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Wait... pop rock tunes with prog rock chops and adult contemporary lyrics are more awkward than... ...very softly singing an acoustic piece about the Lord of the Rings, screeching about a heroic mop dog fighting a demon, or 30 minutes of wailing about an astronaut that turns into a Greek God? I dunno.... Edited July 25, 2019 by New World Kid 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyLeeRoth Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Presto kicks ass. IMO, it's better than RTB because it has more emotional weight to it, even if it doesn't 'rock' as much. A lot of RTB sounds uninspired. Presto is also better than HYF, IMHO, because it isn't saturated in overly poppiness and keyboards and itsn't forever tainted by the 3 worst Rush songs ever, High Water, Tai Shan and Second Nature. I totally dig all songs on Presto, except for Anagram which is tolerable. It's funny how PoW and HYF are 'sister albums' (same producer and musical approach) but one is far superior (PoW!), as is Presto with RTB and CP with T4E. This all being said, I honestly don't think there is such a thing as a 'bad' Rush album. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) This all being said, I honestly don't think there is such a thing as a 'bad' Rush album. Nor do I. Even if it has mostly clunkers on it, there are enough good songs to salvage the album. The good songs compensate for the clunkers. Edited July 25, 2019 by Lorraine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relayer2112 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Rush hasn't had a bad album, but have had some "what were they thinking" albums and some albums that I believe come across as uninspired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Wait... pop rock tunes with prog rock chops and adult contemporary lyrics are more awkward than... ...very softly singing an acoustic piece about the Lord of the Rings, screeching about a heroic mop dog fighting a demon, or 30 minutes of wailing about an astronaut that turns into a Greek God? I dunno.... :clap: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. I would rate all three of those that you cited as perfect Rush albums. Just my opinion. I really think that period was their apex- in songwriting, in energy, in instrumentation and in execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordgalaxy Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 I'd say Caress of Steel is more awkward, but I'm not a early Rush fanbois anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. The only albums that I like every song on are Hemispheres and Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. Edited July 26, 2019 by Lorraine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyLeeRoth Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. Moving Pictures, Hemispheres and Permanent Waves are pretty much perfect. They have several other albums that are damn close too. :codger: :rush: :haz: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. Moving Pictures, Hemispheres and Permanent Waves are pretty much perfect. They have several other albums that are damn close too. :codger: :rush: :haz: I totally agree! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. I disagree about “Rush have never been about perfection”. They had always been about perfection. Perfection is the reason they were so anal about making the concerts sound as close to the albums as possible. It’s the reason they had rehearsals BEFORE the rehearsals for tours. That’s been well documented.It’s the reason they worked liked slaves on Hemispheres.It’s also a big reason why they’re not making music anymore - Peart knew he couldn’t play as perfectly (or near perfect) as in times past. There’s some quote of his in which he states this exact thing. [edited to add: OR maybe Geddy said that about Neil. Now I can’t remember who said it but Neil or Geddy did.] Of course, perfect is in the ear of the beholder but there’s no doubt that Rush were always TRYING to reach perfection. Edited July 29, 2019 by JohnnyBlaze 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Presto has some really good songs on it. No Rush album is a complete failure. Agree. But I would add - No Rush album is a complete success, either. Some are 90% of the way there (MP, PW, Hemispheres maybe). Rush have never been about perfection, they work hard and write good stuff but they don't mind taking risks either which is why I've enjoyed and respected them. So when I weigh the value of an album, I simply take a percent of the total tracks I truly enjoy as my 'grade'. There's actually no album from them that I like every single song. Generally, I don't know of many albums by any artist where I can say I truly enjoy the entire thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for Music of the Spheres. I disagree about “Rush have never been about perfection”. They had always been about perfection.Perfection is the reason they were so anal about making the concerts sound as close to the albums as possible.It’s the reason they had rehearsals BEFORE the rehearsals for tours. That’s been well documented.It’s the reason they worked liked slaves on Hemispheres.It’s also a big reason why they’re not making music anymore - Peart knew he couldn’t play as perfectly (or near perfect) as in times past. There’s some quote of his in which he states this exact thing. [edited to add: OR maybe Geddy said that about Neil. Now I can’t remember who said it but Neil or Geddy did.] Of course, perfect is in the ear of the beholder but there’s no doubt that Rush were always TRYING to reach perfection. They took waaay too many risks as musicians to say they were trying to be perfect. They've said themselves that they work very hard but have often written songs at the edge of their ability. Someone trying to be 'perfect' would play it much safer. Pushing the envelop is always about making mistakes. IMO the mistakes in Rush's music isn't in their playing, it's usually in their composition and lyric choices. The phases the band have gone through alienated fans. In the eyes of the fans it alienated, they were far from perfect. What level of 'perfection' are we imposing on them? Is it purely technical? Are not the writing decisions behind the music part of the measure they should meet? Not flubbing notes is far from being a complete and accurate measure. Edited July 31, 2019 by stoopid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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