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Poll: Victor Or My Favorite Headache, Which Solo album is better? (44 member(s) have cast votes)

Which Solo Album Is Better?

  1. Victor (7 votes [15.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.91%

  2. My Favorite Headache (37 votes [84.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 84.09%

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#41 Fordgalaxy

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

View PostLucas, on 03 September 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

View PostFordgalaxy, on 03 September 2016 - 08:17 PM, said:

"Taking a chance" does not necessarily make a record good. I've read elsewhere that because Geddy "played it safe" and Alex did things he couldn't do in Rush, that makes Victor a better record. Using that mentality, The Elder by KISS would be good too or Diamond Dave by DLR would be great.

The Elder has enormous kitch / nostalgic value .. I have no idea how it would sound to a first time listener today, and I hated it when I was 14, but there is something special in something that bad

So bad it's good. Like, Plan 9 From Outer Space.

Edited by Fordgalaxy, 03 September 2016 - 09:10 PM.


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Posted 03 September 2016 - 09:28 PM

View PostFordgalaxy, on 03 September 2016 - 09:09 PM, said:

View PostLucas, on 03 September 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

View PostFordgalaxy, on 03 September 2016 - 08:17 PM, said:

"Taking a chance" does not necessarily make a record good. I've read elsewhere that because Geddy "played it safe" and Alex did things he couldn't do in Rush, that makes Victor a better record. Using that mentality, The Elder by KISS would be good too or Diamond Dave by DLR would be great.

The Elder has enormous kitch / nostalgic value .. I have no idea how it would sound to a first time listener today, and I hated it when I was 14, but there is something special in something that bad

So bad it's good. Like, Plan 9 From Outer Space.

.. or Showgirls

In retrospect, the question could be "Is it that bad or is it ingenious satire" ??

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 10:04 PM

My favourite headache is one of my favourite albums by any artist. And it have listened to it too many times to count. I think I have listened to Victor....one or two times. And that was a struggle.

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 11:16 PM

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 03 September 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

This album by miles.

Here's a great documentary on it





Thanks, TM!  It was interesting hearing from Ben Mink and hearing Geddy talk about the details behind the album. :)

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 06:26 AM

I don't really like either one, but MFH is better.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:19 AM

I think one has to view the albums within the context of when they were released. Victor was more an experiment, a way for Al to do a few things he hadn't been able to do in Rush; I never thought of it as his attempt at a proper stand-alone solo album, but rather him just having some fun in-between Rush projects. Al was not thinking long term solo career.
Ged released MFH under the very real possibility that it would be the beginning of a reluctant solo career, since at the time it seemed Rush was done and over. So he was putting the same care and effort into it that he would a Rush album.
Interestingly, I think what Alex did on Victor did find its way into the DNA of Rush on Vapor Trails; and MFH seemed to inform Snakes and Arrows, while CA is almost a blending of the two. In that respect they were both important to what Rush would do on their future albums.

Edited by Wil1972, 04 September 2016 - 09:19 AM.


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 10:26 AM

View PostWil1972, on 04 September 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

I think one has to view the albums within the context of when they were released. Victor was more an experiment, a way for Al to do a few things he hadn't been able to do in Rush; I never thought of it as his attempt at a proper stand-alone solo album, but rather him just having some fun in-between Rush projects. Al was not thinking long term solo career.
Ged released MFH under the very real possibility that it would be the beginning of a reluctant solo career, since at the time it seemed Rush was done and over. So he was putting the same care and effort into it that he would a Rush album.
Interestingly, I think what Alex did on Victor did find its way into the DNA of Rush on Vapor Trails; and MFH seemed to inform Snakes and Arrows, while CA is almost a blending of the two. In that respect they were both important to what Rush would do on their future albums.

This is an interesting take that makes me almost want to listen to Victor again.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:23 PM

View PostWil1972, on 04 September 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

I think one has to view the albums within the context of when they were released. Victor was more an experiment, a way for Al to do a few things he hadn't been able to do in Rush; I never thought of it as his attempt at a proper stand-alone solo album, but rather him just having some fun in-between Rush projects. Al was not thinking long term solo career.
Ged released MFH under the very real possibility that it would be the beginning of a reluctant solo career, since at the time it seemed Rush was done and over. So he was putting the same care and effort into it that he would a Rush album.
Interestingly, I think what Alex did on Victor did find its way into the DNA of Rush on Vapor Trails; and MFH seemed to inform Snakes and Arrows, while CA is almost a blending of the two. In that respect they were both important to what Rush would do on their future albums.
yeah i recall when album released thinking this is Al just p*ssing about experimenting a bit but, there's no two ways about it man, is just a sh*t album. failure simply cannot be excused for whatever reason, no doubt Al wanted to produce best solo effort he could as the committed professional he was and the simple fact is, Victor just doesnt match up in any way to MFH Which is a thoroughly fine artistic piece of work. both guys will have spent ample time working on their solo projects, one was a virtual waste of energy and the other was an exceptional album, it's ok to say that. the man is the most imaginative rock guitarist there'll ever be, but dont make excuses for his failures. Victor is sh*t :)

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:39 PM

View Postlifeson90, on 04 September 2016 - 08:23 PM, said:

View PostWil1972, on 04 September 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

I think one has to view the albums within the context of when they were released. Victor was more an experiment, a way for Al to do a few things he hadn't been able to do in Rush; I never thought of it as his attempt at a proper stand-alone solo album, but rather him just having some fun in-between Rush projects. Al was not thinking long term solo career.
Ged released MFH under the very real possibility that it would be the beginning of a reluctant solo career, since at the time it seemed Rush was done and over. So he was putting the same care and effort into it that he would a Rush album.
Interestingly, I think what Alex did on Victor did find its way into the DNA of Rush on Vapor Trails; and MFH seemed to inform Snakes and Arrows, while CA is almost a blending of the two. In that respect they were both important to what Rush would do on their future albums.
yeah i recall when album released thinking this is Al just p*ssing about experimenting a bit but, there's no two ways about it man, is just a sh*t album. failure simply cannot be excused for whatever reason, no doubt Al wanted to produce best solo effort he could as the committed professional he was and the simple fact is, Victor just doesnt match up in any way to MFH Which is a thoroughly fine artistic piece of work. both guys will have spent ample time working on their solo projects, one was a virtual waste of energy and the other was an exceptional album, it's ok to say that. the man is the most imaginative rock guitarist there'll ever be, but dont make excuses for his failures. Victor is sh*t :)
I'm imagining that you've got both hands covering your ears and saying repeatedly: "Victor is shit Victor is shit Victor is shit lalalalalalalalalala....." :lol:

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:56 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:07 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?
Foolish mortal. This thread was made to hear others agree with the op's thoughts. Any other opinion would automatically be wrong. The thread title itself is a trick. The original thread title was going to be:
"Victor is better than MFH and is one of the best albums ever and if you disagree then you're a fool and 100% wrong. No no no"

It was still going to be a poll though.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!
I don't hate Victor but reading a post like this makes me want to.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 04 September 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?
Foolish mortal. This thread was made to hear others agree with the op's thoughts. Any other opinion would automatically be wrong. The thread title itself is a trick. The original thread title was going to be:
"Victor is better than MFH and is one of the best albums ever and if you disagree then you're a fool and 100% wrong. No no no"

It was still going to be a poll though.

No, That was NOT going to be the original thread title

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

I'm glad you feel that way but if you don't want to hear other opinions (most of which are not "hating", btw) then don't start a thread asking people to choose between them.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 04 September 2016 - 09:09 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!
I don't hate Victor but reading a post like this makes me want to.

:o

WHY?

#59 Fordgalaxy

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:10 PM

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

Not according to 84% of the people who've voted.

#60 JohnnyBlaze

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:11 PM

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 09:09 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 04 September 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostSurrender74, on 04 September 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 04 September 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

:no:
Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?
Foolish mortal. This thread was made to hear others agree with the op's thoughts. Any other opinion would automatically be wrong. The thread title itself is a trick. The original thread title was going to be:
"Victor is better than MFH and is one of the best albums ever and if you disagree then you're a fool and 100% wrong. No no no"

It was still going to be a poll though.

No, That was NOT going to be the original thread title
Oh that's right. It was going to be "Victor is much MUCH better than MFH and is one of the best albums ever and if you disagree then you're a stupid fool and 110% wrong. No no no infinity no"





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