micgtr71 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I just listened to Bravest Face...not a bad song. In fact it is better than a lot of stuff they did in the 90s. Thank you everyone for making me revisit this album. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I just listened to Bravest Face...not a bad song. In fact it is better than a lot of stuff they did in the 90s. Thank you everyone for making me revisit this album.I don't have a face brave enough to listen to that particular song on the album, but thank you just the same~ :cheers: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that.Seriously? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Have anyone here aside from myself ever wondered what it is about songs that make certain people like them and others dislike them? I often wondered if there is anything in common with all the songs I like the best - a pattern of notes together - stuff like that. One time on here I think we had a thread about listing your ten favorite Rush songs. I don't think any two lists matched or, if they happened to, the songs weren't in the same order. Musical preference and taste is amazingly a very individual thing.We can be a fickle bunch, we music lovers. Lorraine, I suspect that the notion you have about common features connecting the songs you love is probably a useful one - but it would be very hard to isolate what those might be. It would be interesting to generate a list: for example Lee's a fantastic bass player no matter what he does, yet there's a certain inventiveness of approach combined with chops that I favor over anything else. What is that exactly? All I can say is I know it when I hear it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 We Hold On sounds like an old Byrds song to me. That's why I like it. I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. When I genuinely hated the entire album, I got hell. Now I like almost half of it, and I have to explain why I like the songs I do. :wacko: I like We Hold On as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I'm not sure that there's another RUSH album that has as many songs with really good parts mixed with awful parts. That's what makes it a tough listen for me. I feel like I'm listening for simple moments, rather than the whole song. That's probably why I rarely listen to it. It's just too much work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that.Seriously? Why? Because of the lyrics. I thought that's what we were talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that.Seriously? Why? Because of the lyrics. I thought that's what we were talking about?I was asking specifically about why you think CA's lyrics are worse than T4E's, preferably with examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Neil's lyrics dipped immediately when they entered the 90's IMO. Although presto's lyrics are nothing to brag about.....much as i love the record, lol Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disk98 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 You guys really hate Faithless, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 You guys really hate Faithless, don't you? I'm faithless too.......but i didn't write a song about it, lol No i don't really like it. Mick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 You guys really hate Faithless, don't you? I like it. I think it's a good song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that.Seriously? Why? Because of the lyrics. I thought that's what we were talking about?I was asking specifically about why you think CA's lyrics are worse than T4E's, preferably with examples. Oh I see. I think the storyline for CA is very simplistic and it runs through the entire album. For example, the "can't stop thinking big" and the "everything will turn out for the best" that runs through the album, though nice ideas on their own, are annoyingly repeated ad nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toscanobarga Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 S&A for me suffers the same fate as most albums in the CD era, too long. Not every melody/idea is worthy of it's own song, but in a "fill up the CD" mentality that's what happens. Rush has put out some awesome 45 minute albums following Power Windows, but they're hidden in 60+ minute CDs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) S&A for me suffers the same fate as most albums in the CD era, too long. Not every melody/idea is worthy of it's own song, but in a "fill up the CD" mentality that's what happens. Rush has put out some awesome 45 minute albums following Power Windows, but they're hidden in 60+ minute CDs. rush has suffered for years from to much filler not enough killer. and i mean years of it by now. Mick Edited January 20, 2015 by bluefox4000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 S&A for me suffers the same fate as most albums in the CD era, too long. Not every melody/idea is worthy of it's own song, but in a "fill up the CD" mentality that's what happens. Rush has put out some awesome 45 minute albums following Power Windows, but they're hidden in 60+ minute CDs. rush has suffered for years from to much filler not enough killer. and i mean years of it by now. Mick At least all of that extra stuff wasn't cut and released as separate albums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 S&A for me suffers the same fate as most albums in the CD era, too long. Not every melody/idea is worthy of it's own song, but in a "fill up the CD" mentality that's what happens. Rush has put out some awesome 45 minute albums following Power Windows, but they're hidden in 60+ minute CDs. rush has suffered for years from to much filler not enough killer. and i mean years of it by now. Mick At least all of that extra stuff wasn't cut and released as separate albums.Be careful how loud you say that. Don't give them any ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that.Seriously? Why? Because of the lyrics. I thought that's what we were talking about?I was asking specifically about why you think CA's lyrics are worse than T4E's, preferably with examples. Oh I see. I think the storyline for CA is very simplistic and it runs through the entire album. For example, the "can't stop thinking big" and the "everything will turn out for the best" that runs through the album, though nice ideas on their own, are annoyingly repeated ad nauseum.I don't really disagree, I just find stories more interesting than lectures (like S&A especially...but by far the biggest reason I prefer CA to S&A and T4E is mostly the tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years. Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable. The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A. But WHY do you think they're better?They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments. Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically. Okay I was just curious. Personally I find the lyrics on CA really juvenile and some of Neil's weakest lyrics.Do you own a copy of T4E? Certainly. And I would put CA below that.Seriously? Why? Because of the lyrics. I thought that's what we were talking about?I was asking specifically about why you think CA's lyrics are worse than T4E's, preferably with examples. Oh I see. I think the storyline for CA is very simplistic and it runs through the entire album. For example, the "can't stop thinking big" and the "everything will turn out for the best" that runs through the album, though nice ideas on their own, are annoyingly repeated ad nauseum.I don't really disagree, I just find stories more interesting than lectures (like S&A especially...but by far the biggest reason I prefer CA to S&A and T4E is mostly the tunes. CA reminds me a lot of Vapor Trails. Very noisy and the songs are just so-so. I will say that I do like Caravan and Headlong Flight (musically) but the rest just annoys me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 You guys really hate Faithless, don't you? My thoughts on the Atheistic Trio played during the Time Machine Tour: Freewill:Great song, great lyricsFaithless:Good song, bad lyrics.BU2B:Shit song, shit lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) BU2B Is the worst offender as that's just degenerated into whiny self-importance. I nearly threw up when i first heard it. Mick Edited January 20, 2015 by bluefox4000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Fu** I hate :rush: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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