RUSHHEAD666 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I don't understand how people think Phil ruined Genesis. Tony would never let someone else take that much control over the songwriting.....I blame them all equally :) :outtahere: Me too. Phil was not solely responsible for Genesis turning into a pop band. To argue otherwise is to deny Mike and the Mechanics. For me as an old avid Phil Collins/Genesis fan, Phil ruined Genesis when he decided to leave back in '95!!. The new singer, Ray, couldn't hold a candle to Phil and fans such as myself were surely turned off. Believe me, I tried again and again to listen to the new stuff to no avail. It wasn't the same! Tony and Mike were desperate to continue on without Phil, but sadly there's no replacing Phil IMO....The reunion tour back in 2007 was a real treat and $$$$ maker, but everyone had a sense that it was a one-off thing and wouldn't last. Never got into the Peter period with Genesis, but his solo stuff is really great!! This is crazy!!! I love the Peter Period Of Genesis but I can't stand the Phil Solo Stuff. Well the first album is EXCELLENT. But that's about it! Signed, "Just Like Paradise" Wait! That's David Lee Roth! Not Phil! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Aerosmith - 1973 -1980 r.i.p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILSnwdog Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I disagree on Genesis, there best was the phil collins era,there prog stuff was small cult like following, I never got into the proggy stuff, just boring. It was all over after Gabriel's departure. Collins turned Genesis into a pop band.I liked the first few albums after Gabriel left..but by the mid 80s, their music was complete shit. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I disagree on Genesis, there best was the phil collins era,there prog stuff was small cult like following, I never got into the proggy stuff, just boring. It was all over after Gabriel's departure. Collins turned Genesis into a pop band.I liked the first few albums after Gabriel left..but by the mid 80s, their music was complete shit. :(I've always thought of the Collins era as their heavy metal period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible airwave Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Damn, a lot of people want to be hacked to pieces by Patrick Bateman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Damn, a lot of people want to be hacked to pieces by Patrick Bateman. "too artsy...too intellectual" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Def Leppard. Everything after Hysteria has been absolutely generic radio drivel. Even Hysteria teeters on that border is you take the music further than face value. Guns N Roses. First album was fantastic. Where did that great sound go? Egos and drugs that's where. Kiss - They've been selling performances for 20 years now, not music. ZZ Top - Eliminator was their last great album. Everything after that was a huge drop. Their best song in years is a cover of a rap song that the original artist paid them to make. Megadeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetaxe&saw Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I disagree on Genesis, there best was the phil collins era,there prog stuff was small cult like following, I never got into the proggy stuff, just boring. It was all over after Gabriel's departure. Collins turned Genesis into a pop band.I liked the first few albums after Gabriel left..but by the mid 80s, their music was complete shit. :(I've always thought of the Collins era as their heavy metal period... I love the Collins era, with the honourable exception of We Can't Dance, the epitome of lazy dad-rock. But A Trick of The Tail, Duke, IT, shapes album, all superb. Phil Collins is emperor of Saturn, he don't owe you shit, bucko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adace1 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Muse started falling after The Resistance and really sank with The 2nd Law. They used to be really original and edgy, but now they're basically ripping off Queen. Metallica started their decline with The Black Album and fell pretty far after that. With Death Magnetic I'd say they've climbed back up about halfway so I hope their next album will be even better. Iron Maiden took a nosedive after Seventh Son but thankfully recovered nicely with Brave New World and the 3 albums after that. Linkin Park have never come close to doing anything as good as their first two albums. Aside from a few hits, Genesis got really boring after ATTWT. As for Rush, everything from Hold Your Fire to Vapor Trails just doesn't interest me at all. It's all quite boring stuff. Everything before and after that is awesome. The only band I can think of that started from the bottom of the cliff and kept climbing up is Radiohead. Everything after Pablo Honey is superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible airwave Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Muse started falling after The Resistance and really sank with The 2nd Law. They used to be really original and edgy, but now they're basically ripping off Queen. Metallica started their decline with The Black Album and fell pretty far after that. With Death Magnetic I'd say they've climbed back up about halfway so I hope their next album will be even better. Iron Maiden took a nosedive after Seventh Son but thankfully recovered nicely with Brave New World and the 3 albums after that. Linkin Park have never come close to doing anything as good as their first two albums. Aside from a few hits, Genesis got really boring after ATTWT. As for Rush, everything from Hold Your Fire to Vapor Trails just doesn't interest me at all. It's all quite boring stuff. Everything before and after that is awesome. The only band I can think of that started from the bottom of the cliff and kept climbing up is Radiohead. Everything after Pablo Honey is superb. I think they "cliffed" with King Of Limbs. What a boring, godawful album that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILSnwdog Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I disagree on Genesis, there best was the phil collins era,there prog stuff was small cult like following, I never got into the proggy stuff, just boring. It was all over after Gabriel's departure. Collins turned Genesis into a pop band.I liked the first few albums after Gabriel left..but by the mid 80s, their music was complete shit. :(I've always thought of the Collins era as their heavy metal period... Right. That said, I need to go to the "5 greatest thrash albums ever" thread, and include the Carpenters' debut album. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILSnwdog Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I disagree on Genesis, there best was the phil collins era,there prog stuff was small cult like following, I never got into the proggy stuff, just boring. It was all over after Gabriel's departure. Collins turned Genesis into a pop band.I liked the first few albums after Gabriel left..but by the mid 80s, their music was complete shit. :(I've always thought of the Collins era as their heavy metal period... I love the Collins era, with the honourable exception of We Can't Dance, the epitome of lazy dad-rock. But A Trick of The Tail, Duke, IT, shapes album, all superb. Phil Collins is emperor of Saturn, he don't owe you shit, bucko.I LOVE A Trick Of The Tail. Duke has its moments, and I do like Abacab. Genesis is where things started falling apart. Invisible Touch :o That's where they completely lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Muse started falling after The Resistance and really sank with The 2nd Law. They used to be really original and edgy, but now they're basically ripping off Queen. Metallica started their decline with The Black Album and fell pretty far after that. With Death Magnetic I'd say they've climbed back up about halfway so I hope their next album will be even better. Iron Maiden took a nosedive after Seventh Son but thankfully recovered nicely with Brave New World and the 3 albums after that. Linkin Park have never come close to doing anything as good as their first two albums. Aside from a few hits, Genesis got really boring after ATTWT. As for Rush, everything from Hold Your Fire to Vapor Trails just doesn't interest me at all. It's all quite boring stuff. Everything before and after that is awesome. The only band I can think of that started from the bottom of the cliff and kept climbing up is Radiohead. Everything after Pablo Honey is superb. I think they "cliffed" with King Of Limbs. What a boring, godawful album that was. They so did. One massive cliff. It was a steady climb to OK Computer, then the ups and downs happened. KoL is a truly awful pile of poo. At worse Rush have made quite a few mediocre albums post-GUP, but thankfully never once dropped off entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDOZZY Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Bon jovi fell of a big cliff, but was saved by his hair as he bounced to hair metal and soccer mom music, and made a lot of money , and still is one of the biggest acts out there, I guess money talksPhil collins and genesis was the face of pop music in the 80's, if they didn't change after gabriel left they were finished , prog was done for by 1979, disco and punk killed it, than metal killed of disco and punk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 DEVO, post-Freedom of Choice. FoC had a lot of synth, but was still guitar-hook based. After that, synth-dominated pop, with some irony-charged lyrics thrown in the background. I would say post- NT, still a killer album.NT was full of radio friendly hits, but didn't have the edge of the first three efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thelma and Louise fell off a HUGE cliff...as did Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thelma and Louise fell off a HUGE cliff...as did Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid.Butch and Sundance jumped. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 FLEETWOOD MAC! After "Rumors" THEY SUCK! I dunno, man, I dig Tusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus 2112 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Has anybody mentioned the Cars? Their first album is nothing and I can't name any songs from later on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbine Freight Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Aerosmith - loved everything up to "Night In The Ruts", after that, flatlined. Def Leppard - went from being ace to being woeful in one fell swoop. "Pyromania" was the last good one. Bon Jovi - really like the first two records, especially the debut, but "Slippery" killed them (although not financially!). Scorpions - were absolutely brilliant. The Ulrich Roth era was masterful. Then from "Lovedrive" to "Love At First Sting" they were a great pastiche of a US party band, but fun & still making great songs. After that they just began to cannibalise themselves & became awful very quickly. It's hard to believe that the modern day Scorps came up with early albums like "In Trance", "Virgin Killer" & "Taken By Force". Huge fall in quality in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 FLEETWOOD MAC! After "Rumors" THEY SUCK! I dunno, man, I dig Tusk Mirage and Tango are both solid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 DEVO, post-Freedom of Choice. FoC had a lot of synth, but was still guitar-hook based. After that, synth-dominated pop, with some irony-charged lyrics thrown in the background. I would say post- NT, still a killer album.NT was full of radio friendly hits, but didn't have the edge of the first three efforts. Hmmm, didn't lose the edge for me I liked the sophistication over some of the punk as well, at least during that period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 FLEETWOOD MAC! After "Rumors" THEY SUCK! I dunno, man, I dig Tusk Mirage and Tango are both solid as well. Just saw them in Louisville recently, and they performed a bunch of Tusk material. EXCELLENT performance on everything! Even without Lady McVie they really put on a great show. Highlights were Buckingham's behavior during "Not That Funny", Fleetwood's hilarity and drum solo during "World Turning", the powerful guitar solo of "I'm So Afraid", and I also really enjoyed Buckingham's acoustic rendition of "Big Love". I'd pay the big dough to see that show again! So...off a cliff, they are NOT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo73 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I agree aerosmith fell pretty far since first album, but I will say my favorite song by them is on their second album, Train Kept a Rollin which absolutely rocks. another easy one is Boston, cant believe no one was put them in yet. Although anymore I really cant listen to the 1st album anymore heard it way to many times =0 I actually love Third Stage better than the debut! for me, The Darkness popped up immediately in my head. BRILLIANT debut and everything after.....meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 FLEETWOOD MAC! After "Rumors" THEY SUCK! I dunno, man, I dig Tusk Mirage and Tango are both solid as well. Just saw them in Louisville recently, and they performed a bunch of Tusk material. EXCELLENT performance on everything! Even without Lady McVie they really put on a great show. Highlights were Buckingham's behavior during "Not That Funny", Fleetwood's hilarity and drum solo during "World Turning", the powerful guitar solo of "I'm So Afraid", and I also really enjoyed Buckingham's acoustic rendition of "Big Love". I'd pay the big dough to see that show again! So...off a cliff, they are NOT! Lucky you! Earl has probably changed his mind again, he can get unusually mean after a few drinkies :spitwater: I would like to see the full classic line-up just once down here before they hang it up for good , probably asking for the moon though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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