rushgoober Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Ok, been thinking about this lately - let's break down the songs on S&A into two simple categories - which songs do you think are good enough to be considered Rush classics, and what songs are not classics? I understand that it's a bit presumptuous to call a song that came out 3 months ago a "classic," but let's go for it anyway based on how we feel right now. If you want, you can think of it as "songs that are destined to be considered classics in the future." Keep in mind, a song could still be a very good song, or even a GREAT song, but be short of "classic" status. And for fun, do them in order of preference within each category: CLASSIC CA SONGS Clockwork Angels The Garden Headlong Flight Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers (coming from someone who was hoping for 1 or 2 great songs on this album, and thinking 3 was too much to hope for, I have SEVEN songs I don't just think are great, but are Rush classics - and the first three from my list below are also great songs. Woohoo!) NOT CLASSIC CA SONGS Wish Them Well Carnies Seven Cities of Gold Halo Effect BU2B2 (Halo Effect is just ok, BU2B2 is pretty worthless) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 4 2012, 12:10 PM) Ok, been thinking about this lately - let's break down the songs on S&A into two simple categories - which songs do you think are good enough to be considered Rush classics, and what songs are not classics? I understand that it's a bit presumptuous to call a song that came out 3 months ago a "classic," but let's go for it anyway based on how we feel right now. If you want, you can think of it as "songs that are destined to be considered classics in the future." Keep in mind, a song could still be a very good song, or even a GREAT song, but be short of "classic" status. And for fun, do them in order of preference within each category: CLASSIC CA SONGS Clockwork Angels The Garden Headlong Flight Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers (coming from someone who was hoping for 1 or 2 great songs on this album, and thinking 3 was too much to hope for, I have SEVEN songs I don't just think are great, but are Rush classics - and the first three from my list below are also great songs. Woohoo!) NOT CLASSIC CA SONGS Wish Them Well Carnies Seven Cities of Gold Halo Effect BU2B2 (Halo Effect is just ok, BU2B2 is pretty worthless) Seven Cities of Gold is in the wrong spot... Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers These are all great Rush songs, but not epic like Seven Cities of Gold...sorry Goobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Classic: Caravan BU2B The Anarchist Headlong Flight The Wreckers Great Songs: Clockwork Angels Carnies Seven Cities of Gold The Garden Good songs: Halo Effect Wish Them Well Probably never hear live again after this show: BU2B2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushman14 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Title track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Sep 4 2012, 10:22 AM) Seven Cities of Gold is in the wrong spot... Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers These are all great Rush songs, but not epic like Seven Cities of Gold...sorry Goobs! No need to be sorry, unless you're saying you're sorry for being wrong. SCOG is a great song, I just don't think it's a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 And FWIW, the two songs from this album that I think are destined to be undisputed classics in the future, meaning songs that would have to appear on any best of collection from their latter era (or any best of collection that encompasses all Rush eras), are Clockwork Angels and The Garden. Headlong Flight will probably make it as well, and maybe even Caravan, but those two for sure - CA and The Garden are legendary and epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndseyG Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 4 2012, 06:27 PM) And FWIW, the two songs from this album that I think are destined to be undisputed classics in the future, meaning songs that would have to appear on any best of collection from their latter era (or any best of collection that encompasses all Rush eras), are Clockwork Angels and The Garden. Headlong Flight will probably make it as well, and maybe even Caravan, but those two for sure - CA and The Garden are legendary and epic. Agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 4 2012, 12:26 PM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Sep 4 2012, 10:22 AM) Seven Cities of Gold is in the wrong spot... Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers These are all great Rush songs, but not epic like Seven Cities of Gold...sorry Goobs! No need to be sorry, unless you're saying you're sorry for being wrong. SCOG is a great song, I just don't think it's a classic. Cool Goobs, I respect your opinion. It is a totally new sounding Rush song, and it kicks major ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 4 2012, 12:10 PM) Ok, been thinking about this lately - let's break down the songs on S&A into two simple categories - which songs do you think are good enough to be considered Rush classics, and what songs are not classics? I understand that it's a bit presumptuous to call a song that came out 3 months ago a "classic," but let's go for it anyway based on how we feel right now. If you want, you can think of it as "songs that are destined to be considered classics in the future." Keep in mind, a song could still be a very good song, or even a GREAT song, but be short of "classic" status. And for fun, do them in order of preference within each category: CLASSIC CA SONGS Clockwork Angels The Garden Headlong Flight Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers (coming from someone who was hoping for 1 or 2 great songs on this album, and thinking 3 was too much to hope for, I have SEVEN songs I don't just think are great, but are Rush classics - and the first three from my list below are also great songs. Woohoo!) NOT CLASSIC CA SONGS Wish Them Well Carnies Seven Cities of Gold Halo Effect BU2B2 (Halo Effect is just ok, BU2B2 is pretty worthless) Nailed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Undisputed Classics: The Garden Classics: Clockwork Angels Headlong Flight The Anarchist Seven Cities of Gold The Wreckers Caravan Great Songs: Halo Effect BU2B Good songs: Wish Them Well Carnies BU2B2 Bad songs: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Sep 4 2012, 01:25 PM) Undisputed Classics: The Garden Classics: Clockwork Angels Headlong Flight The Anarchist Seven Cities of Gold The Wreckers Caravan Great Songs: Halo Effect BU2B Good songs: Wish Them Well Carnies BU2B2 Bad songs: n/a Nice one dawg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na na na Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Classics Caravan BU2B Clockwork Angels The Anarchist The Wreckers Headlong Flight The Garden Great Songs Carnies Halo Effect Seven Cities Of Gold Good Songs BU2B2 Wish Them Well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUP1771 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 4 2012, 12:10 PM) Ok, been thinking about this lately - let's break down the songs on S&A into two simple categories - which songs do you think are good enough to be considered Rush classics, and what songs are not classics? I understand that it's a bit presumptuous to call a song that came out 3 months ago a "classic," but let's go for it anyway based on how we feel right now. If you want, you can think of it as "songs that are destined to be considered classics in the future." Keep in mind, a song could still be a very good song, or even a GREAT song, but be short of "classic" status. And for fun, do them in order of preference within each category: CLASSIC CA SONGS Clockwork Angels The Garden Headlong Flight Caravan BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers (coming from someone who was hoping for 1 or 2 great songs on this album, and thinking 3 was too much to hope for, I have SEVEN songs I don't just think are great, but are Rush classics - and the first three from my list below are also great songs. Woohoo!) NOT CLASSIC CA SONGS Wish Them Well Carnies Seven Cities of Gold Halo Effect BU2B2 (Halo Effect is just ok, BU2B2 is pretty worthless) Perfect list! I agree with everything you said, although I like Halo Effect more than Seven Cities of Gold, but all of the classics you mentioned are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nappy2112 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Headlong Flight Clockwork Angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 What exactly IS a "classic"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddyleegenes Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Yeah, I don't know who determines what the "official" classics are. Somebody somewhere at sometime decided that "Stick It Out" is a Rush classic. It's a good song, but I don't think it's up there with "Spirit", "Tom", "Barchetta" or "Sub", etc. I think that ten years from now (or so) when Rush and the label release a "Best of"/"Greatest Hits" including newer Rush songs, the two from "CA" that will definitely make their way onto a compilation will be "Caravan" and "Headlong Flight". "BU2B" and "The Wreckers" would be back-up possibilities. That's not to say that "Caravan" and "Headlong" are the absolute best songs on the album. I myself think that "Headlong" is right up there with "Working Man" and "Spirit" and the biggest Rush songs. Others think "The Garden" and "Clockwork" rank up there. I think it will take at least one more studio album to get a "Best of the latest era" release. The songs that would appear on that? "One Little Victory", "Earthshine", "Ghost Rider", "Nocturne", "Far Cry", "Working Them Angels", "The Larger Bowl", "Main Monkey Business", "Caravan", "BU2B", "Headlong Flight", "The Wreckers" and 4 songs from the 2017 album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitboaf Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (GeddysMullet @ Sep 4 2012, 09:56 PM)What exactly IS a "classic"? Based on the "Rush Gold Standard", that is, songs that are included on their Gold/Restrospective collections, you would expect 1-3 songs to be included on a future major release. Shockingly, Roll The Bones is represented by four tracks on Restrospective 3. But we'll dismiss that as an anomaly. For the next Collection, I imagine the record label would award a full 3 songs to Clockwork Angels, given the band's positive attitude toward it, and the generally glowing reaction from fans and critics. Headlong Flight seems to be the signature song, as the single that accompanied the release of the album. It's pretty much a given. Of course, you can regard Caravan in a similar light, as it was the first representative of the new work. For a third choice, it gets muddy. I imagine that the band might prefer including the groundbreaking The Garden. But the title track has emerged as a fan favorite. And The Wreckers has been chosen as the second single. The last of my 2 cents: IMO, none of the songs on CA will reach "classic" status as defined by "Tom Sawyer", et al, because none will receive enough mainstream exposure to capture the public's imagination. Not that several songs aren't completely deserving of lasting public acclaim. But sometimes exposure happens in strange ways. Refer to "Don't Stop Believing" and "Candle in the Wind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 To be honest, I just can't see anything post-HYF as a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomesickAlien Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (sitboaf @ Sep 5 2012, 12:39 AM)"Don't Stop Believing" Just proves the definition of "classic" is pretty nebulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Sep 4 2012, 10:57 PM) To be honest, I just can't see anything post-HYF as a classic. The Pass Dreamline Animate Nobody's Hero Far Cry Armor & Sword Clockwork Angels The Garden Those EASILY, and then also arguably: Cut to the Chase Stick It Out Workin' Them Angels The Main Monkey Business Hope Malignant Narcissism Caravan Headlong Flight BU2B The Anarchist The Wreckers Songs that a lot of people think are classics that I don't think are anywhere close: Available Light Bravado Roll the Bones Driven One Little Victory Earthshine Secret Touch And someone above mentioned The Larger Bowl - sorry, but I don't know in what universe anyone other than a very small group of people would consider that a classic by any standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclonus X-1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I'm not sure what we're being asked here. Are "classics" our personal favorites? Songs that will become concert staples? Tracks likely to end up on some "greatest hits" comp? Tunes a la Spirit and Sawyer that the whole crowd at a given show will recognize? I guess I'll go ahead and make lists for all of those categories. Classics for me: The Anarchist, Carnies, Caravan, Wish Them Well. Set-list mainstays: Headlong Flight. "Greatest Hits": Headlong Flight, Caravan, The Wreckers. Crowd pleasers: None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies The Wreckers Headlong Flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianice Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 The entire album is a CLASSIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (canadianice @ Sep 5 2012, 08:37 AM) The entire album is a CLASSIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (sitboaf @ Sep 5 2012, 12:39 AM) Headlong Flight seems to be the signature song Of course, you can regard Caravan in a similar light For a third choice, it gets muddy. I imagine that the band might prefer including the groundbreaking The Garden. But the title track has emerged as a fan favorite. Good Post. I like the way you broke that down. I agree with Headling Flight...it's probably the most high octane song they've ever done, it sucks you in and doesn't leg go. Some parts sound like thrash to me--not a bad thing. Alex Lifeson at his peak, Neil and Geddy are just laying it down. CLASSIC I giggled to myself when I first heard Clockwork Angels, because I couldn't believe the enormity of it. It is epic in everyway. Is it Xanadu or Camera Eye, Natural Science? No, it's not as long as those efforts, but equally absorbing, and just as grand in ambition and scope. A new sounding kind of EPIC for Rush that is cinematic, and musically off the charts. A CLASSIC. In response to your assertion that it's a "fan" favorite, consider how Neil has stated that he wants to play this song forever and hope's it never comes off the setlist. The Garden, for obvious reasons. There is no question about this one. See above. It's the touchy feely Rush song. Now, here's the song that I include in on the CLASSIC shelf that is highly derided on multiple threads--Seven Cities of Gold. Goober has his Armor and Sword (a song he thinks is like one of the best ever just kidding, kinda), I have this one. In my mind, Armor and Sword is best described by Tony R--"a bloody awful dirge". Seven Cities of Gold it appears, is looked upon in the same vein by many here, though it is far from a dirge. SCOG is a creation from the album that takes me back to the early years of the band. I find Geddy's voice inspired on this track. It soars. The overdubbed vocals evoke a similar feel that I've heard before from the band--"distant as a comet or a constellation", love that lower voice almost speaking those words. However, a lot of people complain about understanding the words and simplicity of the song. Tony R. really racked up Geddy on this one as well in his review of the album: "There are a couple of tracks, though not terrible, are not quite up to the standard of the rest; Seven Cities Of Gold which features an atrocious vocal" Anyway back to the reason I think it's a Classic. It tells a great story. It has a killer chorus, and ultimately a kick ass bass expo. It borders on caucophony, trippy (how is that not epic Goober?), and the guitar work is perfect for such a song. This fits my paradigm of greatness. A song tha begs for another listen to discover something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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