theredtamasrule Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Initially I knew this little odd bit was a skipper, it wasn't even a real song. Besides I thought it was placed in a bad spot after Headlong Flight. I maintain that it should follow The Wreckers just because of the characters situation in that song. Additionally I think HF should be the last song, just because I want the last song on my rock album to, well, rock. To that end I have the tracks rearranged to suit my preference. I think it flows better and now, knowing the storyline, having bu2b flow from The Wreckers gives an immediate poignancy. I can almost see the character, having just survived that wreck, thinking the lyrics of bu2b2. I like this little piece now, it fits. Lyrically it's a positive outlook to the general difficulties we all face. And the last line of "I was brought up to believe" can be seen as either a criticism of belief as in "faith" or an affirmation of belief as in "hope". Personally it resonates with me as the latter, he was brought up to believe, to hope...which, in a weird way, can be an analogy for faith. So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSICinTheABsTrAcT Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 09:21 AM) Initially I knew this little odd bit was a skipper, it wasn't even a real song. Besides I thought it was placed in a bad spot after Headlong Flight. I maintain that it should follow The Wreckers just because of the characters situation in that song.[....] So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. ^^Agreed^^ !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Imo , Ged does not have the kind of voice for this type of song. Ronnie James Dio would have nailed something like this , right in his ballpark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndroidOnTheRun Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Interesting thought about the rearrangement of tracks. I think from a song mood /feel perspective, the ordering is as it should be (poppy/upbeat Wreckers --> epic Headlong Flight --> quiet interlude --> straight-up rocker --> lush finale), but thinking about the lyrics you make a good point. Dunno if I'll switch the tracks up when I listen though... I too feel there's not a bad track! But I felt that way about Vapor Trails, too. [ducks volley of thrown items] Okay, okay, I take it back! Last album without a bad track was HYF. [ducks second volley] But I really *do* like Tai Shan! [trampled by people running to retrieve thrown items to throw them again] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 It might be an "odd" tune, but lyrically, for me... well, it really is where I am in my life at the moment... in the wake of divorce, loss of friends, of family, home... There's a lot of lyrics on this album that hit me square and hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmo2112 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Since GUP you say? Name a bad track off of Power Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken hawk Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Why BU2B Twice on the album. #2 and #10 ( 10 being a shorter version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 QUOTE (Chicken hawk @ Jun 16 2012, 08:22 PM) Why BU2B Twice on the album. #2 and #10 ( 10 being a shorter version). It's a reprise, part of the story... Interesting the contrast, given how hard BU2B is. I like the combo of the strings and Geddy's vocals on BU2B2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 QUOTE (Jmo2112 @ Jun 16 2012, 07:47 PM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Since GUP you say? Name a bad track off of Power Windows. Well, Manhattan Project, while not a bad song per se just doesn't do much for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteen Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 "Imo , Ged does not have the kind of voice for this type of song. Ronnie James Dio would have nailed something like this , right in his ballpark" Damn imagine Dio belting out BU2B with Rush powering on behind him. The universe would implode with awesomeness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro2112 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:30 PM) QUOTE (Jmo2112 @ Jun 16 2012, 07:47 PM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Since GUP you say? Name a bad track off of Power Windows. Well, Manhattan Project, while not a bad song per se just doesn't do much for me. You just said that's not a 'bad' song. So now are you going to go back and edit your previous reply and change P/g to "PoW"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 QUOTE (pedro2112 @ Jun 17 2012, 07:21 AM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:30 PM) QUOTE (Jmo2112 @ Jun 16 2012, 07:47 PM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Since GUP you say? Name a bad track off of Power Windows. Well, Manhattan Project, while not a bad song per se just doesn't do much for me. You just said that's not a 'bad' song. So now are you going to go back and edit your previous reply and change P/g to "PoW"? No.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro2112 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 17 2012, 01:25 PM) QUOTE (pedro2112 @ Jun 17 2012, 07:21 AM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:30 PM) QUOTE (Jmo2112 @ Jun 16 2012, 07:47 PM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Since GUP you say? Name a bad track off of Power Windows. Well, Manhattan Project, while not a bad song per se just doesn't do much for me. You just said that's not a 'bad' song. So now are you going to go back and edit your previous reply and change P/g to "PoW"? No.... Well, there it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) Initially I knew this little odd bit was a skipper, it wasn't even a real song. Besides I thought it was placed in a bad spot after Headlong Flight. I maintain that it should follow The Wreckers just because of the characters situation in that song. Additionally I think HF should be the last song, just because I want the last song on my rock album to, well, rock. To that end I have the tracks rearranged to suit my preference. I think it flows better and now, knowing the storyline, having bu2b flow from The Wreckers gives an immediate poignancy. I can almost see the character, having just survived that wreck, thinking the lyrics of bu2b2. I like this little piece now, it fits. Lyrically it's a positive outlook to the general difficulties we all face. And the last line of "I was brought up to believe" can be seen as either a criticism of belief as in "faith" or an affirmation of belief as in "hope". Personally it resonates with me as the latter, he was brought up to believe, to hope...which, in a weird way, can be an analogy for faith. So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Yeah, the only way this song works on the album is if it's between The Wreckers and Headlong Flight. Even still, it's easily the disposable track on the album. The album would definitely have been stronger with out it. It's the one glaring weak spot. From what I've seen, most seem to agree it's the weakest point on the album. Thankfully, it's only 90 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndroidOnTheRun Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 17 2012, 11:37 PM) Yeah, the only way this song works on the album is if it's between The Wreckers and Headlong Flight. Even still, it's easily the disposable track on the album. The album would definitely have been stronger with out it. It's the one glaring weak spot. While IMO it's crucial to the album as a whole, I will concede that it is the only track that cannot stand alone. Out of context, it's a throwaway. (But in context -- for me -- it's the linchpin.) Regarding the track ordering -- I remain convinced that its placement after Headlong has more to do with overall arc of the songs' textures, especially when I consider Halo Effect, which I think is placed in a similar way. That part of the story doesn't necessarily clearly follow from Carnies; in fact, one might think logically it happens in the middle of that song (i.e. he meets the Carnies, falls in love and gets burned, and then has his second run-in with the Anarchist). But I'm guessing most listeners would be in agreement that when listening to the album as a whole, Halo comes just where you need a "breath" after a succession of 5 pretty intense tracks. In the same way, I don't think you can go from Headlong into Wish Them without a breather. Again, just my gut feeling about the "emotional" story of the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakly Criminal Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 07:21 AM) Initially I knew this little odd bit was a skipper, it wasn't even a real song. Besides I thought it was placed in a bad spot after Headlong Flight. I maintain that it should follow The Wreckers just because of the characters situation in that song. Additionally I think HF should be the last song, just because I want the last song on my rock album to, well, rock. To that end I have the tracks rearranged to suit my preference. I think it flows better and now, knowing the storyline, having bu2b flow from The Wreckers gives an immediate poignancy. I can almost see the character, having just survived that wreck, thinking the lyrics of bu2b2. I like this little piece now, it fits. Lyrically it's a positive outlook to the general difficulties we all face. And the last line of "I was brought up to believe" can be seen as either a criticism of belief as in "faith" or an affirmation of belief as in "hope". Personally it resonates with me as the latter, he was brought up to believe, to hope...which, in a weird way, can be an analogy for faith. So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. So I take it you've submitted your resume to Anthem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) Initially I knew this little odd bit was a skipper, it wasn't even a real song. Besides I thought it was placed in a bad spot after Headlong Flight. I maintain that it should follow The Wreckers just because of the characters situation in that song. Additionally I think HF should be the last song, just because I want the last song on my rock album to, well, rock. To that end I have the tracks rearranged to suit my preference. I think it flows better and now, knowing the storyline, having bu2b flow from The Wreckers gives an immediate poignancy. I can almost see the character, having just survived that wreck, thinking the lyrics of bu2b2. I like this little piece now, it fits. Lyrically it's a positive outlook to the general difficulties we all face. And the last line of "I was brought up to believe" can be seen as either a criticism of belief as in "faith" or an affirmation of belief as in "hope". Personally it resonates with me as the latter, he was brought up to believe, to hope...which, in a weird way, can be an analogy for faith. So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. It's an interlude... I think they should have written another full song instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Jmo2112 @ Jun 16 2012, 08:47 PM)QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 08:21 AM) So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. Since GUP you say? Name a bad track off of Power Windows. I think BU2B2 is not a tune to be thrown away (as I saw someone else mention), I think this song is the lynch pin of the album. Without it there is no Peddler II (What do you lack? Belief). Before the strings come in very early, I hear Neil's chime from CygnusX-1 (no modulation though). BU2B2 is jaded and transformative (similar to "...spinning, whirling, still descending, like a spiral sea unending...every nerve is torn apart.") . The protagonist has realized everything he was BU2B has failed him. The best the protagonist can do is wish those negative forces around him "well" and "tend his garden" (i.e. mind his own house). The motivation for the last two songs comes from BU2B2 "...life goes from bad to worse....no philospohy consoles me in a clockwork universe..." Very in tune with Neil's "bleeding-heart libertarianism". June 13, I wrestled with re-ordering the tracks. I thought HF should have been the opener and the album viewed as a retrospective of the protagonist's life. But then I started down a rat hole of what goes where and when and why. Rush presented it exactly as they intended, so I stayed with the original order. But that's just me And BTW, just my opinion, (which with just over $2 will buy you a medium coffee at Dunkin' Donuts) Emotion Detector is the worst song on PW, hands down (and my least favourite Rush song). For me, I didn't care for the hook (too 80s synth-pop) or chorus (lyrically bland). I have a friend who loves it and thinks I'm on crack. I'm not. Loved the rest of PW though - a top 7 album for me - although it is quite 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 they should have made this into an all out instrumental with a distorted voice of some sort like in cygnus x-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanadoo Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I did the same exact thing, it bothered me a little that it wasn't set up that way originally. It feels out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (Weakly Criminal @ Jun 18 2012, 12:53 AM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jun 16 2012, 07:21 AM) Initially I knew this little odd bit was a skipper, it wasn't even a real song. Besides I thought it was placed in a bad spot after Headlong Flight. I maintain that it should follow The Wreckers just because of the characters situation in that song. Additionally I think HF should be the last song, just because I want the last song on my rock album to, well, rock. To that end I have the tracks rearranged to suit my preference. I think it flows better and now, knowing the storyline, having bu2b flow from The Wreckers gives an immediate poignancy. I can almost see the character, having just survived that wreck, thinking the lyrics of bu2b2. I like this little piece now, it fits. Lyrically it's a positive outlook to the general difficulties we all face. And the last line of "I was brought up to believe" can be seen as either a criticism of belief as in "faith" or an affirmation of belief as in "hope". Personally it resonates with me as the latter, he was brought up to believe, to hope...which, in a weird way, can be an analogy for faith. So, acceptance of this odd tune now makes for a Rush album that has zero bad tracks in my opinion. That hasn't happened for me since GUP. So I take it you've submitted your resume to Anthem? I would add a witty retort but I don't even know what you mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I think it fits perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (CygnusGal @ Jun 18 2012, 04:06 PM) I think BU2B2 is not a tune to be thrown away (as I saw someone else mention), I think this song is the lynch pin of the album. Without it there is no Peddler II (What do you lack? Belief). Before the strings come in very early, I hear Neil's chime from CygnusX-1 (no modulation though). BU2B2 is jaded and transformative (similar to "...spinning, whirling, still descending, like a spiral sea unending...every nerve is torn apart.") . The protagonist has realized everything he was BU2B has failed him. The best the protagonist can do is wish those negative forces around him "well" and "tend his garden" (i.e. mind his own house). The motivation for the last two songs comes from BU2B2 "...life goes from bad to worse....no philospohy consoles me in a clockwork universe..." Very in tune with Neil's "bleeding-heart libertarianism". I think it's the protagonist's Garden of Gethsemane moment, where he accepts his fate and deals with it the best he can, by going forward and making the best of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc4gd Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 To me it's more like an intro to Wish Them Well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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