New Digital Man Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 On Neils new DVD he states that some songs they write are only ever intended to be created and recorded in the studio and unlike the majority are not intended to be performed live! He mentions this whilst talking about Witch Hunt as this was one of them so i was wondering what others may fall into this category? I would say Emotion Detector and Open Secrets for sure and probably Middletown Dreams although the latter was performed live on a couple of occasions only i believe, so any guesses to others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Afterimage, probably. You Bet Your Life, almost certainly. Neurotica. Dog Years. Countdown. Tai Shan. I'm not double checking past set lists, but none of these are on live albums and I've not heard of them being played (though I could be wrong). Rivendell? Madrigal? Different Strings? Pretty much anything that has never been played live, especially on the tour that supported the album, was probably written that way. They have played long enough shows for enough years that they could have played every song if they wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilb1972 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I think there is a website, Power Windows I believe it is called, that has a list of all the songs the band have not performed live. If I remember correctly, all of Grace under Pressure has at some point been performed live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbirdsong Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 from Power Windows: ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE Take A Friend Before And After Making Memories Rivendell The Fountain Of Lamneth Lessons Tears Madrigal Different Strings Losing It Emotion Detector Open Secrets Second Nature Tai Shan High Water Chain Lighting Anagram Red Tide Hand Over Fist Available Light Face Up The Big Wheel Heresy Neurotica You Bet Your Life Cut To The Chase Alien Shore Speed Of Love Everyday Glory The Color Of Right Totem Dog Years Carve Away The Stone Peaceable Kingdom The Stars Look Down How It Is Vapor Trail Sweet Miracle Nocturne Freeze Out Of The Cradle Bravest Face Good News First We Hold On Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I'd love to hear Alien Shore or Carve Away the Stone live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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greg2112 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jan 27 2012, 01:04 PM) Afterimage, probably. You Bet Your Life, almost certainly. Neurotica. Dog Years. Countdown. Tai Shan. I'm not double checking past set lists, but none of these are on live albums and I've not heard of them being played (though I could be wrong). Rivendell? Madrigal? Different Strings? Pretty much anything that has never been played live, especially on the tour that supported the album, was probably written that way. They have played long enough shows for enough years that they could have played every song if they wanted to. Afterimage and Countdown were played live on their respective album tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barchetta90480 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 ... I just hope that Cut to the Chase and half of the "unplayed" Vapor Trails tracks (Peaceable kingdom, Out of the Cradle, Vapor Trail, Sweet Miracle) are not part of that list. I've read that Alex quote about Madrigal and Different Strings - although I hope they reconsider rearranging the latter. Maybe Losing It is another one of those tracks. And Tai Shan sure is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The K Man Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It seems like for a long time that "studio only" song was the 2nd to last song on the CD: Madrigal Different Strings Witch Hunt Losing It Tai Shan etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sawyer Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Rivendell Madrigal Different Strings Losing It Tai Shan Obviously. Probably some of the more upbeat songs are probably in this category, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I remember a rumor many years ago (decades?) that claimed the existence of a bootleg with Fountain of Lamneth on it. Has that been proven false or has any member of Rush categorically denied playing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Vapor Trail because of they Geddy going "hey hey hey heyyyyy hey hey hey heyyyaa" in the background during the chorus. It's too bad because I really want to see it live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate2112 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 QUOTE (USB Connector @ Jan 27 2012, 05:19 PM) Vapor Trail because of they Geddy going "hey hey hey heyyyyy hey hey hey heyyyaa" in the background during the chorus. It's too bad because I really want to see it live. He doesn't actually have to say heyyy hey hey heyy during the concert it can just be Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 They should have played tFoL... Oh well. Glad to see they played all of GUP though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eshine Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Jan 27 2012, 02:01 PM) from Power Windows: ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE Take A Friend Before And After Making Memories Rivendell The Fountain Of Lamneth Lessons Tears Madrigal Different Strings Losing It Emotion Detector Open Secrets Second Nature Tai Shan High Water Chain Lighting Anagram Red Tide Hand Over Fist Available Light Face Up The Big Wheel Heresy Neurotica You Bet Your Life Cut To The Chase Alien Shore Speed Of Love Everyday Glory The Color Of Right Totem Dog Years Carve Away The Stone Peaceable Kingdom The Stars Look Down How It Is Vapor Trail Sweet Miracle Nocturne Freeze Out Of The Cradle Bravest Face Good News First We Hold On This is a striking list (for me) in that, aside from maybe a couple of songs, there is nothing really left on it anymore that makes me say "man, they need to play that live". My bucket list was pretty much fullfilled with Entre Nous and Presto. The majority of songs from this list seem left off for pretty good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 QUOTE (Nate2112 @ Jan 27 2012, 05:27 PM) QUOTE (USB Connector @ Jan 27 2012, 05:19 PM) Vapor Trail because of they Geddy going "hey hey hey heyyyyy hey hey hey heyyyaa" in the background during the chorus. It's too bad because I really want to see it live. He doesn't actually have to say heyyy hey hey heyy during the concert it can just be Alex. As far as I know when it looks like Alex is talking into the mic it's not really his voice coming out. Otherwise I would be shocked and amazed concerning what I saw during Time Stand Still during the TM Tour. There are also a few layers of guitars (I think, clipping makes it hard to tell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 QUOTE (eshine @ Jan 27 2012, 04:43 PM) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Jan 27 2012, 02:01 PM) from Power Windows: ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE Take A Friend Before And After Making Memories Rivendell The Fountain Of Lamneth Lessons Tears Madrigal Different Strings Losing It Emotion Detector Open Secrets Second Nature Tai Shan High Water Chain Lighting Anagram Red Tide Hand Over Fist Available Light Face Up The Big Wheel Heresy Neurotica You Bet Your Life Cut To The Chase Alien Shore Speed Of Love Everyday Glory The Color Of Right Totem Dog Years Carve Away The Stone Peaceable Kingdom The Stars Look Down How It Is Vapor Trail Sweet Miracle Nocturne Freeze Out Of The Cradle Bravest Face Good News First We Hold On This is a striking list (for me) in that, aside from maybe a couple of songs, there is nothing really left on it anymore that makes me say "man, they need to play that live". My bucket list was pretty much fullfilled with Entre Nous and Presto. The majority of songs from this list seem left off for pretty good reason. Interesting... that there is about 25-30% of their catalog. Give or take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbirdsong Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I remember an interview with Alex (tried to find it, but couldn't) where he said, "The Fountain Of Lamneth, did we write that?" Apparently no one, not even the band can remember playing it. That blows my mind because I have a very good memory, but I guess it has been 40 years and they have played thousands of shows. I would love more Vapor Trails songs. I would really love to hear How It Is because after the heavy and dark beginning of the album that song finally gives us a glimmer of hope. I remember playing it in the car and my wife was about to insist I play something else and then that one came on and she said, "That one is pretty good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jan 27 2012, 05:57 PM) QUOTE (eshine @ Jan 27 2012, 04:43 PM) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Jan 27 2012, 02:01 PM) from Power Windows: ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE Take A Friend Before And After Making Memories Rivendell The Fountain Of Lamneth Lessons Tears Madrigal Different Strings Losing It Emotion Detector Open Secrets Second Nature Tai Shan High Water Chain Lighting Anagram Red Tide Hand Over Fist Available Light Face Up The Big Wheel Heresy Neurotica You Bet Your Life Cut To The Chase Alien Shore Speed Of Love Everyday Glory The Color Of Right Totem Dog Years Carve Away The Stone Peaceable Kingdom The Stars Look Down How It Is Vapor Trail Sweet Miracle Nocturne Freeze Out Of The Cradle Bravest Face Good News First We Hold On This is a striking list (for me) in that, aside from maybe a couple of songs, there is nothing really left on it anymore that makes me say "man, they need to play that live". My bucket list was pretty much fullfilled with Entre Nous and Presto. The majority of songs from this list seem left off for pretty good reason. Interesting... that there is about 25-30% of their catalog. Give or take. And by the same token, there are bands that have played 9-100% of their recorded output (not including bands that have only ONE albums out either) A friend of mine from several years ago was an Oasis fan (for some crazy reason) and his "goal" was to get copies of boots with every song that they ever did live...I think he said that there were only about 4 that they hadn't done at that point....Dave Matthews is another band that I know only has a few that they've never played live. I guess in the old "attitude" of Rush when they made that "album only" track with the serious overdubbing, etc. it was just something that they COULDN'T do live because of the soundscape they made...but when technology caught up to them (i.e. when they started playing Witch Hunt) that attitude should have waned, not that I want to HEAR everything off of some of the albums live (VT. T4E, and RTB songs are over played IMHO) but there are a few I'd love to hear live from the past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Digital Man Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jan 27 2012, 05:57 PM) QUOTE (eshine @ Jan 27 2012, 04:43 PM) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Jan 27 2012, 02:01 PM) from Power Windows: ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE Take A Friend Before And After Making Memories Rivendell The Fountain Of Lamneth Lessons Tears Madrigal Different Strings Losing It Emotion Detector Open Secrets Second Nature Tai Shan High Water Chain Lighting Anagram Red Tide Hand Over Fist Available Light Face Up The Big Wheel Heresy Neurotica You Bet Your Life Cut To The Chase Alien Shore Speed Of Love Everyday Glory The Color Of Right Totem Dog Years Carve Away The Stone Peaceable Kingdom The Stars Look Down How It Is Vapor Trail Sweet Miracle Nocturne Freeze Out Of The Cradle Bravest Face Good News First We Hold On This is a striking list (for me) in that, aside from maybe a couple of songs, there is nothing really left on it anymore that makes me say "man, they need to play that live". My bucket list was pretty much fullfilled with Entre Nous and Presto. The majority of songs from this list seem left off for pretty good reason. Interesting... that there is about 25-30% of their catalog. Give or take. I realise that all of these songs haven't been played live but don't necessarily agree that they were not all intended to be played live which was the point of my post, for instance i don't see what would stop them playing something like Chain Lightning live which is not swamped by samples and overdubs whereas something like Emotion Detector would be extremely hard to reproduce in a live setting to the quality the band would expect due to these very reasons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandDesigner Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty sure that "Losing It" was the last song they released with the sole purpose of being a studio piece and never playing it live. I'm sure the ones that followed were simply left off of setlists due to not having enough time to fit them in. And since they never rotate setlists, these unplayed songs just fell by the wayside in subsequent tours as the "hits" became the more likely choice as a particular album's live representation. I wonder if Rush ever regrets not being more adventurous with their sets. They only had one setlist throughout the entire goddamn Presto and HYF tours. Would it have killed them to shuffle more songs around on a nightly basis? Edited January 28, 2012 by GrandDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 QUOTE (GrandDesigner @ Jan 28 2012, 03:19 PM) I'm pretty sure that "Losing It" was the last song they released with the sole purpose of being a studio piece and never playing it live. I'm sure the ones that followed were simply left off of setlists due to not having enough time to fit them in. And since they never rotate setlists, these unplayed songs just fell by the wayside in subsequent tours as the "hits" became the more likely choice as a particular album's live representation. I wonder if Rush ever regrets not being more adventurous with their sets. They only had one setlist throughout the entire goddamn Presto and HYF tours. Would it have killed them to shuffle more songs around on a nightly basis? I like how a lot of bands do that these days...and from what I can tell, it's not like the backline people and lighting guys have a whole lot to do since everything is pre-programmed now...Hell, Dream Theater proved that you can put on a different crazy show every night Zappa and the Grateful Dead were doing it YEARS ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagegrace26 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The official studio only songs were: Tears Madrigal Different Strings Witch Hunt Losing It This info was from the Visions biography. It was believed at the time they were recorded that they werent able to be performed faithfully live. Of course, new technology allowed WH to be performed later. Rush apparently abandoned the one studio track per album starting with grace under pressure. Also, Vapor Trail was rehearsed and ready to go as a back up song for the VT tour. So was Nocturne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthshine Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Neil is so confused! Doesn't he remember that he once said that about Witch Hunt, only do find a way to do it live with the Simmons drums? He also forgot that they did The Camera Eye on the Moving Pictures tour in 1981. I SAW it (front row) for anyone who does not believe this is true. I don't think Rush should rule out certain songs to be played live. Or songs that they "used to do" (Something For Nothing, Fly by Night, etc.) This is very closed minded. Look at Jethro Tull. Look at the Moody Blues. They play songs they have not done in ages from all of their albums. And they may do a song they have never done live. Led Zeppelin did that at the 2008 reunion when they did Hots On For Nowhere, which had never been done live before. They should have also done Carouselambra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Digital Man Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 QUOTE (Jaminbenb @ Jan 28 2012, 03:37 PM) QUOTE (GrandDesigner @ Jan 28 2012, 03:19 PM) I'm pretty sure that "Losing It" was the last song they released with the sole purpose of being a studio piece and never playing it live. I'm sure the ones that followed were simply left off of setlists due to not having enough time to fit them in. And since they never rotate setlists, these unplayed songs just fell by the wayside in subsequent tours as the "hits" became the more likely choice as a particular album's live representation. I wonder if Rush ever regrets not being more adventurous with their sets. They only had one setlist throughout the entire goddamn Presto and HYF tours. Would it have killed them to shuffle more songs around on a nightly basis? I like how a lot of bands do that these days...and from what I can tell, it's not like the backline people and lighting guys have a whole lot to do since everything is pre-programmed now...Hell, Dream Theater proved that you can put on a different crazy show every night Zappa and the Grateful Dead were doing it YEARS ago.... I think you're forgetting that Dream Theater have a singer, a keyboard player and a bass player, we have one guy who does all three! I can't imagine how they perform a mostly flawless set for three hours a night for weeks or months at a time remembering the lyrics, playing their instruments and triggering endless sequencers and samples without the extra pressure of changing the setlist randomly and all the technical problems that could throw up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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