bathory Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I know next to nothing about this band. What "first song" do you recommend? "Pull Me Under" That's the song that made me (and many others) a fan of theirs back when it came out in 1992. It's from the album Images & Words. That and Awake should be the only two albums you listen to. Don't bother going any farther than that. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I know next to nothing about this band. What "first song" do you recommend? Metropolis I'm more of a "prog" head...so things like that and A Change of Seasons are among my favorite things.... As far as I'm concerned...my favorite album of theirs is Live at the Marquee...It has all you need to know.... i&w live in tokyo is the best thing they ever did! killer concert vid. if only it had metropolis and learning to live Yeah, that IS a great video!! I agree it should have the rest of the show, but I guess it was originally released on tape and limited in it's time? It's a shame that way back everything had time constraints...Imagine if Rush never worried that they had to keep it to two album sides worth of stuff to release a live album! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I know next to nothing about this band. What "first song" do you recommend? Metropolis I'm more of a "prog" head...so things like that and A Change of Seasons are among my favorite things.... As far as I'm concerned...my favorite album of theirs is Live at the Marquee...It has all you need to know.... i&w live in tokyo is the best thing they ever did! killer concert vid. if only it had metropolis and learning to live Yeah, that IS a great video!! I agree it should have the rest of the show, but I guess it was originally released on tape and limited in it's time? It's a shame that way back everything had time constraints...Imagine if Rush never worried that they had to keep it to two album sides worth of stuff to release a live album! they shoulda done a triple called RUSHSONGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I know next to nothing about this band. What "first song" do you recommend? Metropolis I'm more of a "prog" head...so things like that and A Change of Seasons are among my favorite things.... As far as I'm concerned...my favorite album of theirs is Live at the Marquee...It has all you need to know.... i&w live in tokyo is the best thing they ever did! killer concert vid. if only it had metropolis and learning to live Yeah, that IS a great video!! I agree it should have the rest of the show, but I guess it was originally released on tape and limited in it's time? It's a shame that way back everything had time constraints...Imagine if Rush never worried that they had to keep it to two album sides worth of stuff to release a live album! they shoulda done a triple called RUSHSONGS You just have to hand ELP credit for not caring when they released "Welcome Back My Friends...." on three albums! That's still one of my favorite live sets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del_Duio Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) I know next to nothing about this band. What "first song" do you recommend? "Pull Me Under" That's the song that made me (and many others) a fan of theirs back when it came out in 1992. It's from the album Images & Words. That and Awake should be the only two albums you listen to. Don't bother going any farther than that. agreed No, no, those are great albums but don't stop there. Everything they've done has its merits. Excellent albums start to finish, classics: I&WAwakeSFAM6DOIT (extra impressive because it's a double album) Great albums: Train of ThoughtDream Theater (self-titled)Octavarium (especially the title track) Good albums with excellent examples provided: A Change of Seasons (The song itself is classic, but the rest are all live covers)Falling Into Infinity (Peruvian Skies, Hollow Years, Lines in the Sand, New Millenium, Trial of Tears)Systematic Chaos (In The Presence of Enemies parts 1 & 2 is reason enough to get this IMO, The Dark Eternal Night, Repetence) Good albums with BUTs: Black Clouds & Silver Linings (The Count of Tuscany BUT the lyrics are silly, A Nightmare to Remember BUT it runs about 3 minutes too long)A Dramatic Turn of Events (Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions are classics BUT everybody complains how they ripped off I&W's song structures throughout this album) Pre-Cheese: When Day & Dream Unite Edited April 22, 2015 by Del_Duio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I did this before but with DT i either love their stuff or hate it with 1 inbetween (Which you'll see, lol) Albums i love Images and Words (Though the production could be better)Falling into Infinity (Underrated IMO)Metropolis PT IISix Degrees (Disc 2. I know 1 album......but who Cares, lol)Octavarium (again......underrated)A Dramatic Turn of EventsDream Theater Albums I hate When Dream and day UniteSix Degrees (disc 1)Train of ThoughtSystematic ChaosBlack Clouds. And awake i go back and forth on. I love it right now, lol Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 wdadu - 3/5i&w - 4.5/5awake - 4.5/5falling into infinity - 3/5sfam - 4/5sdoit - 3.5/5train of thought - 2/5octavarium - 2.5/5systematic chaos - 2/5black clouds - 3/5dramatic turn - 2.5/5DT - 2.5/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 When Dream And Day Unite - 3.5/5Images & Words - 5/5Awake - 5/5Falling Into Infinity - 3/5Scenes From A Memory - 5/5Six Degrees - 5/5Train Of Thought - 2.5/5Octavarium - 2.5/5Systematic Chaos - 2/5Black Clouds - 3/5Dramatic Turn - 4.5/5Dream Theater - 4.5/5 They had a bit of a bad run there with TOT, Octavarium and Systematic. But even on one of their bad albums there are still a couple of good tracks worth listening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The toughest run - ToT, Octavarium, Sys Chaos - was compensated by the most diverse setlists on the planet. You basically went to the show without knowing what to expect!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The toughest run - ToT, Octavarium, Sys Chaos - was compensated by the most diverse setlists on the planet. You basically went to the show without knowing what to expect!!! That's both good and bad though. On one hand, it's very exciting because you don't know what they're going to play. On the other, you may get yourself hyped up to hear certain songs and if they don't do them you can leave the show disappointed. I also think it's helps the band to sound better when they have a similar set each night. They've sounded the best they have live in years over the course of the last two tours. Keeping the set the same is a big part of that. At least the band knows what they'll be playing every show and don't have to worry about Portnoy's random ass setlists. I respect that Portnoy was trying to keep the show fresh for the band and the fans with those setlists. But the problem you have with changing the set every show is that sometimes you aren't gonna get a good one. I know I would be pissed if I got Forsaken and Sacrificed Sons at my show and then found out the show before got Metropolis and Voices instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 WDADU - 2/5I&W - 4/5Awake - 4/5FiI - 3/5Mp2:SCFaM - 5/5SDoIT - 7/10ToT - 2/5Octavarium - 3/5SC - 2/5BC&SL - 3/5ADToE - 4/5DT - 3/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Imo Systematic kicks ass. I dont know what the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Seed for Speed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x1yyz Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Imo Systematic kicks ass. I dont know what the problem is. Systematic Chaos is my favourite DT album. It's the perfect blend of dark and hard. I don't understand why so many people do not like it. Edited April 23, 2015 by x1yyz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Systematic Chaos is a fantastic example of "Quantity > Quality" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Systematic chaos has moments. but there's WAAAAY to much of portnoy poking his ass in with the growls and shit. DT Should never be death metal and it sucked. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarizeMe Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I dislike Systematic Chaos and to a lesser extent Black Clouds and Silver Linings because in my opinion, they play out as a mediocre hybrid of Dream Theater with a lot of Opeth influence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 In The Presence Of Enemies is a great tune actually. Too bad they used up all their songwriting goodness on that one song and didn't save much for the rest of the album. Constant Motion is a fun rocker to and a really good live song. I can listen to Repentance and Ministry Of Lost Souls if i'm in the right mood for them but it's a very rare that I am. Overall, the material on the album is largely forgettable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well i guess we just have to disagree there. Its ok ill patron saint it the same way I will with Test for Echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well i guess we just have to disagree there. Its ok ill patron saint it the same way I will with Test for Echo. Being an ambassador for T4E is the better fight to take up. Most of that album is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemispheres4Echo Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Systematic chaos has moments. but there's WAAAAY to much of portnoy poking his ass in with the growls and shit. DT Should never be death metal and it sucked. Mick I agree. Systematic Chaos has the song which in my opinion is THE worst DT song: The Dark Eternal Night. I can't stand the song, it is just so boring. The attitude of the song is like "Oh my god, we're rocking so hard it's f***ing unbeliveable" That song is in my opinion, pure garbage! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Systematic chaos has moments. but there's WAAAAY to much of portnoy poking his ass in with the growls and shit. DT Should never be death metal and it sucked. Mick I agree. Systematic Chaos has the song which in my opinion is THE worst DT song: The Dark Eternal Night. I can't stand the song, it is just so boring. The attitude of the song is like "Oh my god, we're rocking so hard it's f***ing unbeliveable" That song is in my opinion, pure garbage! well that's portnoy influence. i know it seems like i pick on the guy.....but it's true. if you watch the making of SC. he was shoving this direction down their throats. James Labrie and John Myung both looked like they wanted to be anywhere but that studio. "This is what DT NEEDS BRO!!!!!!" Portnoy sucks. Mick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemispheres4Echo Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Systematic chaos has moments. but there's WAAAAY to much of portnoy poking his ass in with the growls and shit. DT Should never be death metal and it sucked. Mick I agree. Systematic Chaos has the song which in my opinion is THE worst DT song: The Dark Eternal Night. I can't stand the song, it is just so boring. The attitude of the song is like "Oh my god, we're rocking so hard it's f***ing unbeliveable" That song is in my opinion, pure garbage! well that's portnoy influence. i know it seems like i pick on the guy.....but it's true. if you watch the making of SC. he was shoving this direction down their throats. James Labrie and John Myung both looked like they wanted to be anywhere but that studio. "This is what DT NEEDS BRO!!!!!!" Portnoy sucks. Mick Word! I think it is very good that they haven't continued writing songs a la Dark Eternal Night since A Dramtic turn of Events and instead returned to writing melodic prog metal, just like it should be. I hope they continue doing so on the new album which they are currently recording. Edited April 25, 2015 by Hemispheres4Echo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Systematic chaos has moments. but there's WAAAAY to much of portnoy poking his ass in with the growls and shit. DT Should never be death metal and it sucked. Mick I agree. Systematic Chaos has the song which in my opinion is THE worst DT song: The Dark Eternal Night. I can't stand the song, it is just so boring. The attitude of the song is like "Oh my god, we're rocking so hard it's f***ing unbeliveable" That song is in my opinion, pure garbage! Pretty bad, but I thought Repentance was the worst... That same recycled riff only now mellow shmellow... And the featured vocalists... What a collective waste of talent, holy shit! Steven Wilson singing the opening line just makes me cringe... For a 10 minute song not a whole lot happens -- again, quantity > quality. "Recycled riff!? It's part of a suite though, bro! haha, you don't get it, it's PROG, that's also why the song's LONG, sorry you're ADD you loser! I don't have time for haters like you in my life you stupid little f*cker!" - Mike "Douchebag" Portnoy ^ I think I prefer the kind of prog rock that aims for complex song structures with varied parts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 i've never been so thrilled to a n original member leave a band. Plus mangini is one of my fav drummers now. and a much cooler guy. Mick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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