Grace Under Pressure 40th boxed set?

[Lurkst]

On 6/10/2024 at 8:50 PM, chemistry1973 said:

But damn - GuP had videos for half the songs on the album! And a full live video release. And a fancy new haircut on Lerxst. This is big money spent!

 

 

I think that was more indicative of the explosion in the popularity of MTV post-Thriller.

[chemistry1973]

3 hours ago, Lurkst said:

 

I think that was more indicative of the explosion in the popularity of MTV post-Thriller.

Yeah but that means the label (band) pays for that expensive promotion. Music videos are paid for by the acts. 

[rugen]

On 7/19/2023 at 6:11 PM, caskof43 said:

Any word regarding a 40th anniversary boxed set for this amazing album?

They did the art work but forget to include something with this to justify the high price it's going to cost us. We are going to have a terrible 5.1 mix of Mr. Chycki, many lp, maybe a live cd that we already have and a tons of beautiful pictures we already seen.

[Todem]

My guess is it will be a year late like Signals was. 

 

And as far as remasters or getting a better sounding LP or CD of GUP........I don’t think it will happen. The guy who remastered all the sector boxes made it pretty clear the master tape for Grace was not in great condition and he could not do a whole lot with it.

 

The key is a complete live show and some really nice swag goodies. 

 

I have every Deluxe 40th Anniversary box set (yeah I know it’s a sickness) and hope we see one for the Mercury years all the way thru Hold Your Fire......after that......whatever. I love everything after HYF don’t get me wrong.....but it’s not necessary for the Atlantic stuff.  If they did it....of course my sucker ass will bite and hey there is probably a lot more potential for complete live shows from Presto and RTB as well as CP. 

 

Of course we all want a complete T4E tour live Blueray........god that tour was amazing and they played so damn great on it.

[78jazz]

On 6/10/2024 at 9:18 AM, snowdog2112 said:

Just literally off the top of my head in the last few weeks alone The Police announced a box set of Synchronicity with an unreleased live show,

The question I have is if that is a new recording or just a rip of the audio from the video that surfaced in 2009. If it's a rip, I'm not sure I want the set.

[78jazz]

On 6/10/2024 at 11:17 AM, snowdog2112 said:

Nothing has ever been mentioned about anything being professionally recorded or filmed for Signals which is why I never expected any live content. 

In the book, no. There is a reference to Geddy's stage banter on the second night in La Crosse that quotes him. Assuming this is exact, either someone did a great job of documentation and preservation of that comment or a recording exists somewhere.

 

This is why I have suggested on here that they have at least this.

[Rush Didact]

20 hours ago, Todem said:

And as far as remasters or getting a better sounding LP or CD of GUP........I don’t think it will happen. The guy who remastered all the sector boxes made it pretty clear the master tape for Grace was not in great condition and he could not do a whole lot with it.

 

Sean Magee did his remaster a couple years after Andy Van Dette did the Sectors sets, and his version is definitive as far as I'm concerned.  Nothing better can be done with it, it sounds as good as it can.

 

Mind you, I would wager Magee was working from a digital copy of the master tape rather than the tape itself, but unlike the audiophiles who get all worked up about analog signal chains, I only care about the end result.

[ytserush]

On 6/8/2024 at 11:59 PM, Digital82 said:

be prepared then to be surprised

I'm prepared to be underwhelmed. But I would LOVE to be proven wrong. That  would be a most welcome surprise.

[ytserush]

On 6/10/2024 at 10:18 AM, snowdog2112 said:

I'm usually the pessimistic one but I'm pretty sure we'll still be getting periodic archive stuff for a while, although clearly there is some finite limit to how much there is.

 

Do you guys collect physical media in general or pay attention to other bands at all? There's still an absolute flood of stuff coming out constantly, from the biggest bands to the smallest and even from bands that haven't been popular in ages. And in general, metal and prog bands have the most passionate fans which only increases the demand for more. Just literally off the top of my head in the last few weeks alone The Police announced a box set of Synchronicity with an unreleased live show, Yes has a box set of Talk coming in a few weeks with an unreleased concert and another of Fragile right after that with more and the Yes Album was only released a few months ago with yet more unreleased live stuff. Van Halen announced their first ever archive box with an unreleased live show, and Pete Townshend has a 14 CD live box set coming that was announced a few days ago. And even bands that used to be big but haven't sold any meaningful numbers of albums in decades are doing it too. There is a live CD/DVD of REO Speedwagon from 1979 coming soon and Loverboy just released a live CD/Bluray last week from 1982. I could keep listing stuff for paragraphs or pages, every style, every era, etc. My point is that just because these things don't sell millions like studio albums used to and because they aren't stacked in the aisles of Walmart for the general public doesn't mean that there's no interest, but these things are for hardcore fans. and Rush still has more of those than most. 

 

 

Of those, I'll be getting Townshend and the Police. I'd had been interested in the Yes until I heard the live show is from a bootleg that hasn't been improved. (Much like the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe and Union Boxes.) I don't know if I want Rush releases to have bootlegs I already own. (They tried that with most of the A Farewell To Kings and Hemispheres live shows.  Fortunately Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures didn't suffer from lack of unreleased live material.

[ytserush]

On 6/10/2024 at 1:01 PM, grep said:

There may be a P/G 40 in the pipe. I have no idea.

But I will say this - again - they f***ed it up with SIG40. They seem to have forgotten who the fanbase is, what we want, and the format that we will actually buy. Which i think has created a lot of 'mistrust' and pessimism for the future.

Speaking for myself, as hardcore a fan as any of you - SIG40 was the __first Rush release that I have not bought__ in 40 years.  

Which kind of leaves me thinking that maybe I'm in a new phase now....where "geez - I don't need some shiny new Rush thing. What's it really worth anyway? Is it just a cash grab at this point?".

The enthusiasm is waning...... and there are a lot of other bands to spend money and time on. 

 

I don't think it has anything to do with forgetting. The people in charge now assume Rush is just another band that has a fan base that will buy everything because it says Rush on it. I didn't buy Signals 40 either because it didn't have a stand alone CD release like the others did.(Well unless I opt for the Japanese import.) Am I disappointed there was no live material? Yeah, but to at least not have a CD version of the 2015 vinyl reissue was a bad budgetary decision. Maybe they took that money and put it into the vinyl picture disc instead.

[ytserush]

On 6/10/2024 at 3:50 PM, chemistry1973 said:

They certainly went nuts with the promotional budget for GuP.

 

maybe they thought Signals undersold. I’m curious which album sold more. I know the Signals singles (say that fast) were bigger hits.

 

But damn - GuP had videos for half the songs on the album! And a full live video release. And a fancy new haircut on Lerxst. This is big money spent!

 

I’m thinking there is potential for quite a few nuggets with a GuP 40 box.

 

If I'm not mistaken. Grace Under Pressure was the first Rush album to be a "cutout." Even today you can find vinyl copies of Grace Under Pressure with a notch cut out of the cover. Maybe  Mercury-Polygram pressed a ton of these because of the "long gap" from Signals and hoping it would sell like Moving Pictures.

[ytserush]

On 6/12/2024 at 3:53 AM, rugen said:

They did the art work but forget to include something with this to justify the high price it's going to cost us. We are going to have a terrible 5.1 mix of Mr. Chycki, many lp, maybe a live cd that we already have and a tons of beautiful pictures we already seen.

 

That's one positive - the pictures. Most of them in these releases haven't been seen before. They have done a fantastic job with keeping  the pictures fresh. That seems to be one area where there seems to be an endless supply.

 

It's  great aspect along with the art, but not something I'd base my marketing strategy of these reissues around. Grand Designs and all of that.

[ytserush]

On 6/12/2024 at 5:14 PM, 78jazz said:

The question I have is if that is a new recording or just a rip of the audio from the video that surfaced in 2009. If it's a rip, I'm not sure I want the set.

 

Not sure about that but there's a truckload of demos and instrumentals that I'm dying to hear.

[ytserush]

On 6/13/2024 at 12:46 PM, Rush Didact said:

 

Sean Magee did his remaster a couple years after Andy Van Dette did the Sectors sets, and his version is definitive as far as I'm concerned.  Nothing better can be done with it, it sounds as good as it can.

 

Mind you, I would wager Magee was working from a digital copy of the master tape rather than the tape itself, but unlike the audiophiles who get all worked up about analog signal chains, I only care about the end result.

 

 

I think the Sectors are in the conversation, but I think I still prefer the Magee's most of the time. From a natural perspective I don't thinks there's much else that can be done with what's usable at this point in time. The 2015's are likely the last frontier in the world we're living in now.

[caskof43]

Returning to this thread to thank everyone for their engagement with it. This album was the first release I anticipated coming out after discovering Rush in 1983. Got to see them live at Radio City Music Hall w/ Marillion that year at the tail end of the Signals tour cycle (my first concert at 13 y/o), and then the day the album came out I was at the record store with my heart racing with excitement. GUP 40th boxed set, let’s gooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

[Lurkst]

On 6/22/2024 at 7:37 PM, ytserush said:

If I'm not mistaken. Grace Under Pressure was the first Rush album to be a "cutout." Even today you can find vinyl copies of Grace Under Pressure with a notch cut out of the cover. 

Appropriate my GUP LP had a notch cut out of it, the first time I'd seen a record sleeve like that.

 

[Holdyourfireal]

The Different Stages of Rush FB group that faked the last cover has posted a new image of the Anniversary set. I can't upload from my phone. No idea if it's legit...

[Holdyourfireal]

 

So, yeah, take this with a grain of salt as it was posted by Tim Edick who is one of the admins of the Different Stages of Rush FB group. He's the one that previously posted that fake AI generated cover of the supposed 40th Anniversary set. When I questioned him on it, he blocked me. HOWEVER...someone I know that has a little bit of a relation to the folks in the Rush/Anthem orbit shared the pic of the ant/egg with me many months ago. It didn't have the Grace Under Pressure wording or the tan background. He told me the ant/egg was Hugh Syme art from the forthcoming boxset. I dunno what to think. I hate to get my hopes up. As I said, I'm blocked from that group. A friend screenshot this and sent it to me. I haven't read the responses. If there are any interesting ones, please post them here!

[Nova Carmina]

14 minutes ago, Holdyourfireal said:

 

So, yeah, take this with a grain of salt as it was posted by Tim Edick who is one of the admins of the Different Stages of Rush FB group. He's the one that previously posted that fake AI generated cover of the supposed 40th Anniversary set. When I questioned him on it, he blocked me. HOWEVER...someone I know that has a little bit of a relation to the folks in the Rush/Anthem orbit shared the pic of the ant/egg with me many months ago. It didn't have the Grace Under Pressure wording or the tan background. He told me the ant/egg was Hugh Syme art from the forthcoming boxset. I dunno what to think. I hate to get my hopes up. As I said, I'm blocked from that group. A friend screenshot this and sent it to me. I haven't read the responses. If there are any interesting ones, please post them here!

 

The track record suggests a healthy dose of skepticism is called for. I remain dubious.

[Holdyourfireal]

Proven fake. It's an image from the Hugh Syme book. This guy is a real douche.

[snowdog2112]

I have no information, but my guess is that at this point it’ll be announced in September or so if it’s coming at all. And even though I tend to be pessimistic about things I’m still leaning that this is coming at some point this fall. We’ll see. Honestly, I'm more surprised that there haven’t even been any hints about what they might do for the 50th anniv of the band. I can’t imagine them not doing anything, but I’m afraid it might just be limited to some new t shirts or a simple new compilation CD or something. But we’re still mid-year so I guess we can hope for a some kind of nice surprise. 

[Nova Carmina]

17 hours ago, snowdog2112 said:

I have no information, but my guess is that at this point it’ll be announced in September or so if it’s coming at all. And even though I tend to be pessimistic about things I’m still leaning that this is coming at some point this fall. We’ll see. Honestly, I'm more surprised that there haven’t even been any hints about what they might do for the 50th anniv of the band. I can’t imagine them not doing anything, but I’m afraid it might just be limited to some new t shirts or a simple new compilation CD or something. But we’re still mid-year so I guess we can hope for a some kind of nice surprise. 

 

Just out of curiosity -- not trying to be combative -- why would you guess September? The album came out in April, so that's blown past; if it's for Christmas sales, they could do/have done that at any time and still released it near the holiday. 

[snowdog2112]

2 hours ago, Nova Carmina said:

 

Just out of curiosity -- not trying to be combative -- why would you guess September? The album came out in April, so that's blown past; if it's for Christmas sales, they could do/have done that at any time and still released it near the holiday. 

None of the 40th releases have really had anything to do with the actual calendar release date. The first three boxes came out in the fall and were announced around September for a late fall release. It's too late in the year for a spring release like the last 3 boxes so if it's a fall release then it'll be announced around September and come out in late October or November. I've been saying that if it wasn't official by the end of March then we wouldn't hear anything for another 6 months until early fall. Again, I have no inside knowledge, but it just seems obvious to me.

[ytserush]

On 7/22/2024 at 8:22 PM, Holdyourfireal said:

Proven fake. It's an image from the Hugh Syme book. This guy is a real douche.

 

 

It's not fake. It's on the second page of the Grace Under Pressure section of Hugh's book.  There's a possibility it could be used in some form with the reissue...especially if the budget was "revised."

[ytserush]

On 7/24/2024 at 10:08 AM, snowdog2112 said:

None of the 40th releases have really had anything to do with the actual calendar release date. The first three boxes came out in the fall and were announced around September for a late fall release. It's too late in the year for a spring release like the last 3 boxes so if it's a fall release then it'll be announced around September and come out in late October or November. I've been saying that if it wasn't official by the end of March then we wouldn't hear anything for another 6 months until early fall. Again, I have no inside knowledge, but it just seems obvious to me.

 

 

That's what you would do to take advantage of end of year gifting. (And no, I'm not in the loop either.)