bluefox4000 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 33 minutes ago, treeduck said: For you The Future Bites Biters: it IS the weakest SW album, but do I hate it? No. I'm not going to say it's a classic, I'm not even going to say it's good but to me it's not bad and there's some good stuff on there, and a few good songs. It's 6 out of 10 level to my ears. An alright album but yes the worst of the Wilsons. what got me is the lack of guitar. now i know he stated in advance it was going away but still HORRIBLE move. I know mr Wilson likes to be all "oh you like guitar? well i'm not doing that anymore" just because he can. but in this case he shot himself because i think Guitar is part of his magic. And i'd like to thinkhe realized his misstep because guitar is back immediately, lol Plus i really have no problem with electronics and pop but the tunes on TFB are rather flimsy. Just my opinion. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastillePark Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 10:30 AM, Tony R said: Yeah mine arrives tomorrow but I’m off on holiday before it will get posted. Downloaded hi - res version. It’s going to sound fantastic in surround but it’ll be nearly two weeks before I can get back and listen to it. When aren't you "on holiday"? As with anything by him after the last couple of releases I'll have to listen to it first before I decide to buy it. Never did get the Biting Future and likely never will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said: what got me is the lack of guitar. now i know he stated in advance it was going away but still HORRIBLE move. I know mr Wilson likes to be all "oh you like guitar? well i'm not doing that anymore" just because he can. but in this case he shot himself because i think Guitar is part of his magic. And i'd like to thinkhe realized his misstep because guitar is back immediately, lol Plus i really have no problem with electronics and pop but the tunes on TFB are rather flimsy. Just my opinion. Mick I'm quite curious as to what Porcupine Tree might do if they continue. It looks like the band was really proud of Walk the Plank and if they do another record, it may be more odd stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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treeduck Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said: what got me is the lack of guitar. now i know he stated in advance it was going away but still HORRIBLE move. I know mr Wilson likes to be all "oh you like guitar? well i'm not doing that anymore" just because he can. but in this case he shot himself because i think Guitar is part of his magic. And i'd like to thinkhe realized his misstep because guitar is back immediately, lol Plus i really have no problem with electronics and pop but the tunes on TFB are rather flimsy. Just my opinion. Mick It could be the Hold Your Fire of the Wilson canon for you then? (Although Hold Your Fire is a top 10 RUSH album for me). There's a few parallels, not enough guitars, too much synths (electronics) some eyebrow raisers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, Union 5-3992 said: I still don't understand the phrase "gaslighting", it makes me think of Judas Priest's The Ripper! "Underneath the gaslaaaaamp...where the air's cold and damp..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Nice little record he's got there. Heard it 2x already today. It grows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastillePark Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, treeduck said: I still don't understand the phrase "gaslighting", it makes me think of Judas Priest's The Ripper! "Underneath the gaslaaaaamp...where the air's cold and damp..." According to Merrium-Webster psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one's emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator If people are secure in their thoughts and knowledge and self-esteem I don't see how they'd be susceptible to that. Edited September 29, 2023 by BastillePark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, BastillePark said: According to Merrium-Webster psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one's emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator If people are secure in their thoughts and knowledge and self-esteem I don't see how they'd be susceptible to that. Why did this not exist back in the day, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and even 20 years ago? It seems like something created to fit an agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastillePark Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, treeduck said: Why did this not exist back in the day, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and even 20 years ago? It seems like something created to fit an agenda. It did exist but I don't think it had a name until some easily offended/weak minded person gave it one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, BastillePark said: It did exist but I don't think it had a name until some easily offended/weak minded person gave it one. It's certainly a buzzword now, but it's a valid word for an abusive relationship. Some folks really manipulative their partner into half-truths. It also shares some qualities with negging. "You said something terrible" "I didn't say that. And if I did, I don't think you understood it" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, BastillePark said: It did exist but I don't think it had a name until some easily offended/weak minded person gave it one. They need to toughen up, not to be tough, just to be normal and well balanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) wrong post Edited September 29, 2023 by Union 5-3992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 I just want to point out that I'm about the same age as Steven Wilson. We were both born in 1967 but he's November 3 and I'm March 5. He'd have been the smart alec kid in the class below me if we'd gone to the same school. I'd have probably beat him up and said: "So you think you're a rock star do you?" And he'd have said..."Yeah, actually!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastillePark Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Union 5-3992 said: wrong post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) The new album is on my list after I stop digesting the amazing new Tesseract album but I wanted to offer my favorable opinion on The Future Bites compared to what I've read in here so far. I like the electronica as long as there's an organic element to it. Some songs work pretty well like Personal Shopper, but once it goes too robot it starts to tank. This is why I love Daft Punk's Random Access Memories, one of the 2010s absolute best albums. I like TFB more than To The Bone, aka Wilson goes full 80s. Edited September 30, 2023 by The Analog Cub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 21 hours ago, treeduck said: Why did this not exist back in the day, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and even 20 years ago? It seems like something created to fit an agenda. Gaslight is a film from 1944, which is where the term originates. :) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslight_(1944_film) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Analog Cub said: The new album is on my list after I stop digesting the amazing new Tesseract album but I wanted to offer my favorable opinion on The Future Bites compared to what I've read in here so far. I like the electronica as long as there's an organic element to it. Some songs work pretty well like Personal Shopper, but once it goes too robot it starts to tank. This is why I love Daft Punk's Random Access Memories, one of the 2010s absolute best albums. I like TFB more than To The Bone, aka Wilson goes full 80s. i never had a problem with To the bonee....like at all. does it match previous albums in greatness? no. But i like it a DAMN sight better than the TFB......like TTB ALL day for me. Like Nowhere Now Pariah Refuge People Who Eat Darkness Detonation Song of Unborn Sure Permanating is an ABBA knockoff but he likes ABBA so oh well i guess. but i honestly don't get the HATRED to the Bone Gets when TFB is.....RIGHT THERE, lol Mick Edited September 30, 2023 by bluefox4000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, goose said: Gaslight is a film from 1944, which is where the term originates. :) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslight_(1944_film) Charles Boyer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said: i never had a problem with To the bonee....like at all. does it match previous albums in greatness? no. But i like it a DAMN sight better than the TFB......like TTB ALL day for me. Like Nowhere Now Pariah Refuge People Who Eat Darkness Detonation Song of Unborn Sure Permanating is an ABBA knockoff but he likes ABBA so oh well i guess. but i honestly don't get the HATRED to the Bone Gets when TFB is.....RIGHT THERE, lol Mick When I first got To the Bone I wasn't sure but now it's right up there just behind Grace For Drowning, Raven and HCE, which are involved in a photo finish. TFB is dead last out of the photograph! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, treeduck said: When I first got To the Bone I wasn't sure but now it's right up there just behind Grace For Drowning, Raven and HCE, which are involved in a photo finish. TFB is dead last out of the photograph! yea i'm playing TTB now and even six years later i fail to see the problem. and i really don't hear this as his "80's album" Where did THAT come from? play Affinity.....THAT'S 80's. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said: yea i'm playing TTB now and even six years later i fail to see the problem. and i really don't hear this as his "80's album" Where did THAT come from? play Affinity.....THAT'S 80's. Mick How do you rate 4½? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 minute ago, treeduck said: How do you rate 4½? i haven't played it in a long time but i'll play it soon and i'll tell you. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said: i haven't played it in a long time but i'll play it soon and i'll tell you. Mick I think it's pretty good, better than It Bites and almost as long at 37 minutes. How does Insurgentes fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Hand.Cannot.Erase is way out in front as my favourite. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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