fraroc Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 It should come to no surprise to learn that as certain rock musicans get older, sometimes their voice gets lower as a result of the aging process combined with not making an active effort to train your voice as it ages. And because of this, their bands will end up tuning down a half step or more to make singing easier. One positive aspect of this is that it could result in an overall heavier, more punchy live sound. On the other hand, sometimes the band could start to sound like this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgRLLqYQh1Q To you, when do you think it gets to the point where it's simply too much? To me, it gets too much when it gets to the point where the average audience has trouble recognizing the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 most of "the average audience" is f***ing tone-deaf anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 most of "the average audience" is f***ing tone-deaf anyways. or to drunk to even know what's being played.......or where they are, lol Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) I'm serious when I say this --- it's too much when I don't like it. Why should I care if the average audience member's ears can recognize a tune or not? My ears are the only the ones that matter (to me) when the music plays. Rik Emmett today performing classic Triumph tunes doesn't sing exactly how he did back in the day but for those songs, they still work and effectively at that. Modern Geddy vocals doing certain classic Rush songs doesn't sound good to me at all. But why should another fan who still adores his modern day vocals on those classic tunes be influenced by me just because I don't think Geddy sounds good on them? Edited September 24, 2017 by JohnnyBlaze 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your_Lion Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 It might sound like: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) And this is where it is up to the older bands to continue to write new material that better suits their limitations .. Creativity should not end because time marches on Any band that goes out and simply relies on old material - whether they can still cut it or not - without some new material holds zero interest for me anyway . . Edited September 24, 2017 by Lucas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I have never liked it in the bands that I’ve been in and I’ve always fought against it. Depends on the song, but some of them really drag and sound awful when tuned down. I hear people use the excuse that the audience is tone deaf all the time but I don’t think that’s true. I think people can’t tell the difference, they may not know why it sounds different but they will know that it doesn’t sound as good. Like when Rush has tuned down 2112 for so many years. It’s never sounded as good as when played in the original key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) So if it comes down to down tuning or not hearing that song - or that band - at all, which is worth it? The fact is that MOST vocalists (not all, so please save me citing every individual exception if you please) past a certain age struggle with the original keys in many of their oldest songs, be it Ozzy or Geddy or Paul Stanley. Sometimes folks have negligently wrecked their own voices (years of alcohol or drug use, needless histrionics, etc) and some folks just lose that ability to sing high -- or at least "that high" in that key. Sometimes they just weren't very good singers to begin with and age has underscored their limitations. But sometimes hearing that song you like comes with a caveat. Or you don't hear it and complain they play that song you hate that that vocalist can handle. Edited September 24, 2017 by Presto-digitation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 It might sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YIjte73IPgThat's DOOM metal! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 It might sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YIjte73IPg Fast & Low Circumstances https://a.pomf.cat/luoddx.mp3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraroc Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never I'm pretty sure that if a song goes from standard tuning down to near death metal tuning, the audience is gonna notice. When you look at footage from Whitesnake's final tour, you'll know why they're ending it as they're pretty much playing djent versions of their classic songs. Edited September 25, 2017 by fraroc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never I'm pretty sure that if a song goes from standard tuning down to near death metal tuning, the audience is gonna notice. When you look at footage from Whitesnake's final tour, you'll know why they're ending it as they're pretty much playing djent versions of their classic songs.Noticing a change vs. not recognizing the song. That's quite a gap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never well not true. ya ever see a recent Bob Dylan show? lol Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never well not true. ya ever see a recent Bob Dylan show? lol Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdogged Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never well not true. ya ever see a recent Bob Dylan show? lol MickWhen you say recent, you mean from the 80's and on, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I agree with fraroc. Wait did I just say that? What the f**k? Yeah, if I can't recognize the song then the tone down is too much. Except that's not what he said. He said it gets too much when the average audience member has trouble recognizing it.Which happens how often? hint: never well not true. ya ever see a recent Bob Dylan show? lol MickWhen you say recent, you mean from the 80's and on, right? that's about right. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78jazz Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I suspect that 1.5-2 steps down is where it can get problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate2112 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) It might sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YIjte73IPg Ah yes, my favorite stoner doom band, KUSH I actually prefer this Edited September 27, 2017 by Nate2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 It might sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YIjte73IPg Ah yes, my favorite stoner doom band, KUSH I actually prefer this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BL9XuXUhIGeddy needs to sing like that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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