Texas King Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 How did you get the lyrics of this song? I was brought up to believeThe universe has a planWe are only humanIt's not ours to understand The universe has a planAll is for the bestSome will be rewardedAnd the devil will take the rest All is for the bestBelieve in what we're toldBlind man in the marketBuying what we're soldBelieve in what we're toldUntil our final breathWhile our loving WatchmakerLoves us all to death In a world of cut and thrustI was always taught to trustIn a world where all must failHeaven's justice will prevail The joy and pain that we receiveEach comes with its own costThe price of what we're winningIs the same as what we've lost Until our final breathThe joy and pain that we receiveMust be what we deserveI was brought up to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordgalaxy Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Ask Elwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 it's another boring Neil attack on religion and conformity. Mick 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think it's a long winded way of saying your mind shouldn't be for rent to any god or government, long after he stopped believing the last part. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 In part I think it's sort of an updated Freewill - contrasting the notion that people are just pawns in a cosmic plan with the idea that you can choose your own path. Here it's written into the Clockwork Angels story to give insight into the character's background. Everything is fore-ordained, which is a handy philosophy for the powers-that-be (mostly the Watchmaker, representing rigidity and efficiency) to promote so they can control people and keep order. It is true that much of religious doctrine concerns prohibitions, with the fear of punishment for breaking divine law. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Very straightforward meaning and that is "f**k you religion". There's really no deep analysis with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Very straightforward meaning and that is "f**k you religion". There's really no deep analysis with this one. I think that was the song's original title. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil1972 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Very straightforward meaning and that is "f**k you religion". There's really no deep analysis with this one. I think that was the song's original title. FUR is the abbreviated version I believe. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'd love to hear a Neil christmas album. Santa's Fake and God is dead (Stop F**king crying) Mick 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djflex Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The joy of tim Horton's donuts and breakfast bagels Yep They are good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It's more interesting in context of the novel, but overall the meaning is pretty dull. I'm not gonna say they aren't well written lyrics from an aesthetic standpoint, they sound very cool in the song, but looking any deeper just leads to disappointment, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djflex Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It's more interesting in context of the novel, but overall the meaning is pretty dull. I'm not gonna say they aren't well written lyrics from an aesthetic standpoint, they sound very cool in the song, but looking any deeper just leads to disappointment, Never been disappointed by a Tim Horton's egg bagel and donut special 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Each human has their own interpretation of this song! It's quite simple for me and it's on my license plate! BU2BYYZ! While everyone on the planet back in 1981 was falling in love with "Tom Sawyer" as a very young drummer I fell in love instantly with YYZ! So decades later here is sit. Typing the same old lovely shit. I truly was Brought up to believe YYZ! It's part of my Universal Plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) There is the Fear four part trilogy. Then there is the series of songs with the underlying theme of thinking for yourself against the norm of religious authority or societal default. BU2B is the latest realization. Freewill -- nothing is pre-ordainedRoll the Bones -- sh*t happens, immortal powers need not applyGhost of a Chance -- no superstition, but love is realTotem -- you're a thought victim in a pantheonThe Stars Look Down -- cosmic reality cares not for anthropomorphismFaithless -- I've got my own moral compass to steer byBU2B -- your belief is a product of how you were raised Actually, the whole album Clockwork Angels is the magnus opus on this series. This life is a story within a man-made story... there were self-defined good times and bad times... things to wonder at and things to regret... rationality struggles against irrationality... the morbid realization at one's own mortality... the legacy of love and enlightenment... the indifference of the universe... The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect I wish that I could live it all again Hope that helps! Edited October 28, 2017 by psionic11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 There is the Fear four part trilogy. Then there is the series of songs with the underlying theme of thinking for yourself against the norm of religious authority or societal default. BU2B is the latest realization. Freewill -- nothing is pre-ordainedRoll the Bones -- sh*t happens, immortal powers need not applyGhost of a Chance -- no superstition, but love is realTotem -- you're a thought victim in a pantheonThe Stars Look Down -- cosmic reality cares not for anthropomorphismFaithless -- I've got my own moral compass to steer byBU2B -- your belief is a product of how you were raised Actually, the whole album Clockwork Angels is the magnus opus on this series. This life is a story within a man-made story... there were self-defined good times and bad times... things to wonder at and things to regret... rationality struggles against irrationality... the morbid realization at one's own mortality... the legacy of love and enlightenment... the indifference of the universe... The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect I wish that I could live it all again Hope that helps! WOW! You just blew my mind! You are brighter than the North Star. Yes! I agree with your intellectual post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Neil: Religion sucks, texting rules.Geddy: IKR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrailer Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 1/2 assed Candide + 1/2 assed idea of karma = half-baked NP http://www.rushisaband.com/images/201002/1447.f.jpg"As I once remarked to a very bored John Barth, 'Aztec and Maya dance around my totem pole'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) I knew Voltaire was a philosopher, but was not familiar with Candide. After a quick once-over of thefreedictionary.com article on Candide, I can see a lot of Clockwork Angels in it for sure. Reality smashes optimism and glossy sayings like "it's all for the best" or "it's God's will"... Not sure where you get the idea of karma in Neil's work. If there is no divine hand in all this, why would one believe that what comes around goes around? Why are little ones born only to sufferFor the want of immunityOr a bowl of rice? Edited October 28, 2017 by psionic11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 it's another boring Neil attack on religion and conformity. MickThat about sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) it's another boring Neil attack on religion and conformity. MickThat about sums it up. that's why i don't consider Neil a great lyricist. maybe in the early days........and that's a BIG maybe. but when Vapor trails hit. He shifted into cynical asshole mode and got stuck. now we kinda know why but still. and i'm Cynical myself but hearing it over and over. get's on my nerves, Mick Edited October 28, 2017 by bluefox4000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugen Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I just realized last night that the song "BU2B" was not part of the set on the Clockwork Angels DVD. I thought that they played the whole thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeson90 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 S&A lyrics were a bit didactic at times but ovetall Neil's lyrics ansolutely just right for this band, including those for BU2B which is just a fantastic real cutting-edge track in every way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky6 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 aaaaa, i'am going to hell for writing this song.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrailer Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I knew Voltaire was a philosopher, but was not familiar with Candide. After a quick once-over of thefreedictionary.com article on Candide, I can see a lot of Clockwork Angels in it for sure. Reality smashes optimism and glossy sayings like "it's all for the best" or "it's God's will"... Not sure where you get the idea of karma in Neil's work. If there is no divine hand in all this, why would one believe that what comes around goes around? Why are little ones born only to sufferFor the want of immunityOr a bowl of rice? re: karma - just my half-assed interpretation of these particular lyrics, not NP's entire oeuvre. Although Buddhism can be interpreted as nihilistic so it would be right up his sour old alley.btw, Candide is a very approachable book, neither long or needlessly complex, and is much better for eyes and mind than CA: The Novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrailer Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 aaaaa, i'am going to hell for writing this song.. nicky6 is Neil Peart?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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