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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:25 AM

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Featuring Natalie Portman as Jane Foster (who obtains the mantle of Thor)

That will be shit. Thor is Thor, not a woman from Earth. PC bullshit.
I smell box office flop.

There was a lot of bs (Goldblum’s rendition of Grandmaster being the biggest heap of crap) in Thor Ragnarok. BUT, that movie got a lot of praise from fans and critics. And Goldblum got a lot of accolades too.

I would attribute the positive responses to the changing demographics of film audiences.  Lots of younger fans, fewer old school traditionalists.  I couldn't care less about the critics' opinions, especially if they're not well-versed in the history of the characters.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:35 AM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 23 July 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

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Featuring Natalie Portman as Jane Foster (who obtains the mantle of Thor)

That will be shit. Thor is Thor, not a woman from Earth. PC bullshit.
I smell box office flop.

There was a lot of bs (Goldblum’s rendition of Grandmaster being the biggest heap of crap) in Thor Ragnarok. BUT, that movie got a lot of praise from fans and critics. And Goldblum got a lot of accolades too.

I would attribute the positive responses to the changing demographics of film audiences.  Lots of younger fans, fewer old school traditionalists.  I couldn't care less about the critics' opinions, especially if they're not well-versed in the history of the characters.

I don’t care about the critics either. And I don’t care about demographics either. BUT these are big things that influence the direction of these movies

#23 Principled Man

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:42 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 23 July 2019 - 07:35 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 23 July 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

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Featuring Natalie Portman as Jane Foster (who obtains the mantle of Thor)

That will be shit. Thor is Thor, not a woman from Earth. PC bullshit.
I smell box office flop.

There was a lot of bs (Goldblum’s rendition of Grandmaster being the biggest heap of crap) in Thor Ragnarok. BUT, that movie got a lot of praise from fans and critics. And Goldblum got a lot of accolades too.

I would attribute the positive responses to the changing demographics of film audiences.  Lots of younger fans, fewer old school traditionalists.  I couldn't care less about the critics' opinions, especially if they're not well-versed in the history of the characters.

I don’t care about the critics either. And I don’t care about demographics either. BUT these are big things that influence the direction of these movies

The film companies are gonna do what they want.  I've accepted the fact that pleasing traditionalist comic book fans is not high on their list of priorities.  

So be it.  They're losing part of their fan base, but they're still making insane profits.  They're happy.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 10:03 AM

For me, Avengers Endgame was the big denouement.  I'm glad they wrapped it up so I don't have to invest so much interest in it anymore!  Comic book movies are wearing thin on me--and I was a huge comic book fan in the 80's and early 90's.  I don't even care much about the new Spider-Man movie, and Spidey is one of my faves. I'll see it on DVD. Beyond that, Dr. Strange and Guardians are definitely on my radar. Thor would be, but the synopsis sounds way too SJW, so Marvel can keep that one. And I don't care about the MCU appropriating the FF4 or X-Men. I would have LOVED to see Beast in The Avengers or FF4 in Infinity War, but the whole scene has peaked and the best characters and actors have flown the coup. I don't mean to be negative, but I'm probably sharing a lot of people's opinions at this point. To each his own though! Excelsior!

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 10:14 AM

I'm, and have been adding my own thoughts, and opinions to, and regarding the Marvel Cinematic Universes' movies.  We all have an opinion whether it, and they are the same, or not.  When, and after I watch a movie, I don't give, and haven't given my own personal grade on them because when I think of something worthwhile, and meaningful to say including appropriate, then it's when I will make a point, and points to say it, and them, especially on a public forum.  With some critics, and other people, who are fans, and try to keep up, with the changes on what is happening, and going on about any superhero in the comics before anything else, I would think, and feel they do know their backstory.  Even if the changes are little, or small, the writers, producers, and directors can, and do make them for trying to make the movie, or movies better, than what they are.  Some of them do benefit from them, whereas, other ones don't benefit from them, which is, and can be a hit, and miss.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 10:47 AM

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For me, Avengers Endgame was the big denouement....... but the whole scene has peaked and the best characters and actors have flown the coup.

I agree.  The ten-year story has been told.  I don't think they'll come close to matching the excitement and drama of the Infinity War storyline.  Whatever films they make from now on may be good, but it won't be the same as 2008-2019.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 05:34 PM

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I'm, and have been adding my own thoughts, and opinions to, and regarding the Marvel Cinematic Universes' movies.  We all have an opinion whether it, and they are the same, or not.  When, and after I watch a movie, I don't give, and haven't given my own personal grade on them because when I think of something worthwhile, and meaningful to say including appropriate, then it's when I will make a point, and points to say it, and them, especially on a public forum.  With some critics, and other people, who are fans, and try to keep up, with the changes on what is happening, and going on about any superhero in the comics before anything else, I would think, and feel they do know their backstory.  Even if the changes are little, or small, the writers, producers, and directors can, and do make them for trying to make the movie, or movies better, than what they are.  Some of them do benefit from them, whereas, other ones don't benefit from them, which is, and can be a hit, and miss.

Some of the character and/or backstory changes have been fine (Captain America & Iron Man are good examples imho) but others (Thor and Vision for example) have been altered too much (whether in tone, character, supporting cast, or abilities). Some of the changes were necessary (Cap’s timeline for example, i.e. being defrosted this century instead of the 1960s as done in the comics) or understandable (skipping Tony Stark’s whole bout with alcoholism). However, stuff such as sex changing Captain Marvel and Eternals characters or shoehorning a sexual preference change into Valkyrie (who never had that preference originally) dont make any sense other than trying to be politically correct.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 05:40 PM

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View PostGeddyLeeRoth, on 23 July 2019 - 10:03 AM, said:

For me, Avengers Endgame was the big denouement....... but the whole scene has peaked and the best characters and actors have flown the coup.

I agree.  The ten-year story has been told.  I don't think they'll come close to matching the excitement and drama of the Infinity War storyline.  Whatever films they make from now on may be good, but it won't be the same as 2008-2019.

There are hundreds of great Marvel stories to tell. It’s just a matter of the powers that be picking the right ones (Jane Foster Thor isn’t one of those great stories!! :lol: ). The obvious saga they need to tell is Galactus and the Silver Surfer. For more earthbound epics, there’s Namor and Doctor Doom. Clearly though it looks like they’re going with the cosmic route.

I’m pretty sure I’ve said before but I didn’t even really like the comic version of Infinity Gauntlet but the MCU version did well with building and balancing the characters, and creating the drama and momentum.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 06:55 PM

Too much. It's all too much.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 08:32 PM

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Too much. It's all too much.

Superhero super-saturation!!

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 06:25 AM

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View PostReRushed, on 23 July 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

Too much. It's all too much.

Superhero super-saturation!!

It all depends. At one point, in a period of a mere 1.5 years from May ‘15 to Nov. ‘16, we got Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, Cap Civil War, and Doc Strange. That’s a hell of a good run imho and didn’t think it was too much. More recently however, they haven’t been able to string together three good flicks in a row (sometimes not even two). So yeah, it’s “too much” in terms of too much crap and not enough goodness.

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 12:32 PM

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View PostPrincipled Man, on 23 July 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

View PostReRushed, on 23 July 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

Too much. It's all too much.

Superhero super-saturation!!

It all depends. At one point, in a period of a mere 1.5 years from May ‘15 to Nov. ‘16, we got Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, Cap Civil War, and Doc Strange. That’s a hell of a good run imho and didn’t think it was too much. More recently however, they haven’t been able to string together three good flicks in a row (sometimes not even two). So yeah, it’s “too much” in terms of too much crap and not enough goodness.

wasn't too much for me i basically enjoywd every second.  sure some weaker spots.  but i still couldn't get enough.

AND i enjoyed Far from home WAAAY more than endgame honestly.

Mick

Edited by bluefox4000, 24 July 2019 - 12:32 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2019 - 03:17 AM

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View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 24 July 2019 - 06:25 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 23 July 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

View PostReRushed, on 23 July 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

Too much. It's all too much.

Superhero super-saturation!!

It all depends. At one point, in a period of a mere 1.5 years from May ‘15 to Nov. ‘16, we got Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, Cap Civil War, and Doc Strange. That’s a hell of a good run imho and didn’t think it was too much. More recently however, they haven’t been able to string together three good flicks in a row (sometimes not even two). So yeah, it’s “too much” in terms of too much crap and not enough goodness.

wasn't too much for me i basically enjoywd every second.  sure some weaker spots.  but i still couldn't get enough.

AND i enjoyed Far from home WAAAY more than endgame honestly.

Mick

My issue with Far From Home was the unfunny jokes & weak supporting characters (high school classmates...Flash Thompson is absolute garbage for example). There was way too much time spent on those bs classmates and the teen romancing.

I was surprised that whatshisname as Mysterio didn’t ruin it for me since I dislike that actor. And though here were plenty of changes from comic to movie for Mysterio, I still think they did a good job with him.

Edited by JohnnyBlaze, 25 July 2019 - 03:17 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2019 - 09:42 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 25 July 2019 - 03:17 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 24 July 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 24 July 2019 - 06:25 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 23 July 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

View PostReRushed, on 23 July 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

Too much. It's all too much.

Superhero super-saturation!!

It all depends. At one point, in a period of a mere 1.5 years from May ‘15 to Nov. ‘16, we got Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, Cap Civil War, and Doc Strange. That’s a hell of a good run imho and didn’t think it was too much. More recently however, they haven’t been able to string together three good flicks in a row (sometimes not even two). So yeah, it’s “too much” in terms of too much crap and not enough goodness.

wasn't too much for me i basically enjoywd every second.  sure some weaker spots.  but i still couldn't get enough.

AND i enjoyed Far from home WAAAY more than endgame honestly.

Mick

My issue with Far From Home was the unfunny jokes & weak supporting characters (high school classmates...Flash Thompson is absolute garbage for example). There was way too much time spent on those bs classmates and the teen romancing.

I was surprised that whatshisname as Mysterio didn’t ruin it for me since I dislike that actor. And though here were plenty of changes from comic to movie for Mysterio, I still think they did a good job with him.

Mysterio Made the film......and i'll be honest i love this MJ and was also pleased with peter's angst over Stark and how that affected him.

so not perfect (the highscool stuff) but i thought the great stuff was enough to make it a win for me.

solid B+

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 12:30 PM

The actor, who played, and portrayed "Quentin Beck/Mysterio" in "Spider-Man: Far From Home" is "Jake Gyllenhaal".  I thought he was great, and everything else about, and in the movie was fine.

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 05:26 PM

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The actor, who played, and portrayed "Quentin Beck/Mysterio" in "Spider-Man: Far From Home" is "Jake Gyllenhaal".  I thought he was great, and everything else about, and in the movie was fine.

That’s it - Jake Gyllenhaal.

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 05:38 PM

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View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 25 July 2019 - 03:17 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 24 July 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 24 July 2019 - 06:25 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 23 July 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

View PostReRushed, on 23 July 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

Too much. It's all too much.

Superhero super-saturation!!

It all depends. At one point, in a period of a mere 1.5 years from May ‘15 to Nov. ‘16, we got Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, Cap Civil War, and Doc Strange. That’s a hell of a good run imho and didn’t think it was too much. More recently however, they haven’t been able to string together three good flicks in a row (sometimes not even two). So yeah, it’s “too much” in terms of too much crap and not enough goodness.

wasn't too much for me i basically enjoywd every second.  sure some weaker spots.  but i still couldn't get enough.

AND i enjoyed Far from home WAAAY more than endgame honestly.

Mick

My issue with Far From Home was the unfunny jokes & weak supporting characters (high school classmates...Flash Thompson is absolute garbage for example). There was way too much time spent on those bs classmates and the teen romancing.

I was surprised that whatshisname as Mysterio didn’t ruin it for me since I dislike that actor. And though here were plenty of changes from comic to movie for Mysterio, I still think they did a good job with him.

Mysterio Made the film......and i'll be honest i love this MJ and was also pleased with peter's angst over Stark and how that affected him.

so not perfect (the highscool stuff) but i thought the great stuff was enough to make it a win for me.

solid B+

Mick


I could trim the fat and get a B+ movie out of it but it’d mean cutting some of the stuff I already mentioned :lol:

Edited by JohnnyBlaze, 25 July 2019 - 05:40 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2019 - 06:19 PM

I hate to say this but the MCU need a new CEO to bring back the quality and some sanity. And there's only one person I know who can do it justice...ME! f**k these fools with these dumb plots and ridiculous bullshit!

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 06:58 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 25 July 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

I hate to say this but the MCU need a new CEO to bring back the quality and some sanity. And there's only one person I know who can do it justice...ME! f**k these fools with these dumb plots and ridiculous bullshit!

The only disagreement I’d have with that is that I’m not listed as the new CEO :blaze:

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 07:32 PM

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View Posttreeduck, on 25 July 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

I hate to say this but the MCU need a new CEO to bring back the quality and some sanity. And there's only one person I know who can do it justice...ME! f**k these fools with these dumb plots and ridiculous bullshit!

The only disagreement I’d have with that is that I’m not listed as the new CEO :blaze:
I might give you a job as the tea boy. :16ton:




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