Tony Stewart runs over another racer who is on foot, kills him.

[pjbear05]

It's a bug, and once it gets in your blood, it's hard to shake it.

 

And for you straight line freaks, I saw an interview with Shirley "Cha-Cha" Muldowney, for whom Doug Herbert is sponsoring a ride in an attempt to break Kitty O'Neils' Women's Land Speed Record (1976-512.776 mph).

Edited August 13, 2014 by pjbear05

[Cygnus 2112]

At our local track we have four drivers who are all 50+ that have spent a few years racing Cascar(Canadian Nascar). They now drive street stocks and consistently place in the top half of the pack. Everybody else enjoys it because they can talk to these guys in the pits between races and get tips and experience from them. And racing against people who used to be at the top of the country, is a great way to boost your own career.

[troutman]

Not a big fan of the sport,

 

But I grew up behind this track. It was so cool back in the day to watch these guy's battle each other. There were plenty of fights. But always after the race. :haz:

 

http://www.bakersfieldspeedway.com/

[ILSnwdog]

30 years of getting away with dickish-ness gives a huge amount of positive reinforcement to the notion you can get away with it one more time.

 

So the real agenda shows. You dislike the guy, so you paint him as a killer.

The real issue is a guy was killed under yellow (unheard of in even the most rookie of series) by one of the most talented drivers in history. That can only happen when both guys are doing something they have no business doing. What happened is beyond ridiculous. I've always liked Stewart for the most part.

 

So tell me, why did the car in front of start also accelerate, and only narrowly avoided Ward?

Stewart isn't a good enough driver to miss a person, I guess.

You can't miss what you don't see.

:goodone:

[ILSnwdog]

How anyone could say that Stewart is culpable for Ward's death is beyond me. :|

[Narps]

How anyone could say that Stewart is culpable for Ward's death is beyond me. :|

I am with you on this one. He could have run around on the Capital Beltway at 5 O'clock and may have had better luck.... RIP Edited August 13, 2014 by Narpski

[laughedatbytime]

How anyone could say that Stewart is culpable for Ward's death is beyond me. :|

I am with you on this one. He could have run around on the Capital Beltway at 5 O'clock and may have had better luck.... RIP

Probably...it's hard to get hit by a car that's standing still.

[Narps]

How anyone could say that Stewart is culpable for Ward's death is beyond me. :|

I am with you on this one. He could have run around on the Capital Beltway at 5 O'clock and may have had better luck.... RIP

Probably...it's hard to get hit by a car that's standing still.

:syrinx: :LMAO: needed that

[Slack jaw gaze]

Stewart skipping Michigan this week.

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...nt-seem-n177951

Kinney, driving his No. 19K car in the race on Saturday night in upstate New York, did not see the fatal collision, but moments earlier, he did see Kevin Ward Jr. standing on the track — furious with Stewart after Stewart buzzed him and Ward spun out.

 

“I drove right by him,” Kinney told NBC News in a phone interview Monday. “He looked a little bit angry. I didn’t think much of it. A lot of drivers do that.”

...

“That’s obviously not a racing incident,” he said. “It’s not a good idea to get out of your car and run towards other cars. But nobody can speak for Tony. Only Tony knows exactly what happened.”

 

Still, he said: “I seen Kevin clear as day. Nobody else ran into him, either.”

[KenJennings]

One other driver having seen him proves nothing. One other driver having not seen him proves that visibility was, indeed an issue.

 

Also, do I even need to point out the myriad problems with the logic "nobody else ran into him"?

Edited August 15, 2014 by KenJennings

[Slack jaw gaze]

One other driver having seen him proves nothing. One other driver having not seen him proves that visibility was, indeed an issue.

 

Also, do I even need to point out the myriad problems with the logic "nobody else ran into him"?

You saw no need to protest the obvious logic flaws of the driver whose quote you posted earlier. (who apparently was confirming that Stewart was sideways and spinning the rears, although it wasn't even clear if he saw it at all)

 

Once again, pay attention to how many drivers (in the race or in other series) are not rushing to defend him which would certainly occur if they thought there really was "nothing he could do". There wasn't, after he decided to goose the throttle.

[KenJennings]

One other driver having seen him proves nothing. One other driver having not seen him proves that visibility was, indeed an issue.

 

Also, do I even need to point out the myriad problems with the logic "nobody else ran into him"?

You saw no need to protest the obvious logic flaws of the driver whose quote you posted earlier. (who apparently was confirming that Stewart was sideways and spinning the rears, although it wasn't even clear if he saw it at all)

 

Once again, pay attention to how many drivers (in the race or in other series) are not rushing to defend him which would certainly occur if they thought there really was "nothing he could do". There wasn't, after he decided to goose the throttle.

 

What logic flaws in the quote I posted earlier? It's a consistent statement.

 

And "how many drivers are not rushing..." again, ridiculous logic. No matter how many drivers come to his defense, you can say "well what about the ones that aren't..." Silly.

 

Really, why do you keep advancing this kind of tripe?

[Ancient Ways]

This is still going on? I've moved on

[Narps]

This is still going on? I've moved on

Seems so. I check in now and then..... :)

[edhunter]

Give it up everyone. No point in succumbing to the dumbfuck troll.

[Slack jaw gaze]

One other driver having seen him proves nothing. One other driver having not seen him proves that visibility was, indeed an issue.

 

Also, do I even need to point out the myriad problems with the logic "nobody else ran into him"?

You saw no need to protest the obvious logic flaws of the driver whose quote you posted earlier. (who apparently was confirming that Stewart was sideways and spinning the rears, although it wasn't even clear if he saw it at all)

 

Once again, pay attention to how many drivers (in the race or in other series) are not rushing to defend him which would certainly occur if they thought there really was "nothing he could do". There wasn't, after he decided to goose the throttle.

 

What logic flaws in the quote I posted earlier? It's a consistent statement.

The one where the driver uses the fact that sprint cars have to be driven with huge slip angles to go fast as a kind of semi-justification for doing it under caution. Even the most racing illiterate person needs only to watch a single pace lap or caution lap to realize those cars turn just fine at low speeds with no wheel-spin at all.

 

But I'm not very interested in their logic, I'm more interested in what they think of the situation, and that's going to take some reading between the lines.

 

Is a dead kid really old news after 6 days? It would be worth at least 6 months on SOCN if a cop killed him (or wouldn't let his cattle graze on public land).

[KenJennings]

Even the most racing illiterate person needs only to watch a single pace lap or caution lap to realize those cars turn just fine at low speeds with no wheel-spin at all.

 

I do think you're right about one thing.

 

The racing illiterate probably do think that.

[lerxt1990]

Father of killed driver lashes out at Tony Stewart

 

 

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The father of the driver run over and killed by Tony Stewart told The Syracuse Post-Standard that "there's no reason for" the crash that led to his son's death.

 

Kevin Ward Jr. was sent into the wall when his car was bumped by Stewart's in a dirt-track race on Saturday night in Canandaigua. Ward got out of the car and walked onto the track, where he was hit by Stewart.

Kevin Ward Sr. tells the newspaper that "Tony Stewart was the best damn driver by far on the track that night. Why he had to go up as high as he did and hog my son, there's no reason for it."

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/11/16ac6a1f-5335-467d-b31f-30e84ee68669/thumbnail/220x140/09e5d251bed572d79f9dc5d947a0e69c/ctm0811fordcrash263366640x360.jpg

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Are there legal troubles ahead for NASCAR star Tony Stewart?

When the 20-year-old Ward got out of his damaged car, he walked on the track and appeared to point at Stewart. Other cars drove past him, but Stewart's right-rear tire appeared to hit him and drag him along the track.

 

"Apparently, Tony Stewart was the only one driving out there who didn't see him," Ward told the newspaper.

No charges have been filed against Stewart, but they are still possible.

 

Ward also addressed that in his interview with the newspaper, saying: "The one person that knows what happened that night is possibly facing 10 years in prison. Is he going to say what he done?"

 

Stewart could still face criminal charges, even if the three-time NASCAR champion didn't mean to kill Ward, hurt him or even scare him.

"They're going to look at all possibilities here," CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford said. "There could be some type of charges out of here that don't focus on intent."

http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/11/9b61dddb-bbef-47c9-aed8-77fc9e647ef2/thumbnail/220x140/c51b678b0c028aeec8c295012dfb15a9/en081114dahler1263613640x360.jpg

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Does racing encourage machismo culture?

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero, who announced on Tuesday that the investigation is continuing, has said that his initial findings have turned up nothing that would indicate criminal intent in the crash at the Canandaigua Motorsports Park.

 

But legal experts agree that does not mean Stewart is in the clear.

 

The NASCAR star could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he "recklessly caused the death of another person," with negligent homicide another possibility, according to criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law.

"The question over whether someone was reckless is a factual one, and one a prosecutor might let a jury decide," said Yung, who also posts at the Concurring Opinion blog.

http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/10/40ea8044-b076-485d-81c5-2ea1447b9815/thumbnail/220x140/79383b5576e1be46b413a3ee0459315b/us081014tonystewartkillsaguy263073640x360.jpg

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Tony Stewart hits, kills driver in sprint car race

On-track confrontations between drivers are becoming more common in auto racing but Stewart has a reputation for being especially short-tempered.

He has been fined three times for his on-track behavior, as well as altercations with reporters, photographers and race officials. Two years ago, Stewart walked onto the track and threw his helmet at another driver he felt had wronged him.

 

"He's not afraid to battle with other drivers when it comes to his opinions and how he thinks things should be done but when he's in the race car he's extremely talented," said Jeff Gluck, who has covered racing for USA Today for 10 years.

 

Investigators are looking at everything from the muddy conditions of the track to whether the lights were working and sufficient. Stewart and his team declined CBS News' request for an interview.

 

Meanwhile, in the wake of Ward's death, NASCAR could issue an edict as early as this weekend's race at Michigan International Speedway that makes it mandatory for drivers to stay in their cars until safety personnel arrive.

 

Brewerton Speedway and Fulton Speedway, New York dirt tracks under the same management, announced new rules that drivers would be required to stay in their cars during an accident.

 

"If a driver, for whatever reason, exits a car on the track during a caution period, the race will automatically be placed under a red flag and all cars will come to a complete stop," a news release on the tracks' website says. "A driver may exit a car if requested by a safety crew member or if safety warrants in cases such as a fire. Drivers that exit a car without permission, for whatever reason, are subject to fine and/or suspension at the discretion of track management."

Brad Keselowski, the 2012 Sprint Cup champion, said it could be tough for NASCAR to enforce a similar rule.

 

"I'm not aware of any rule or law that works without the ability to enforce it," he said. "I don't know how you can enforce a rule like that unless you had a robot on the track to grab the person and put them back in the car. The only way you can enforce it is with a penalty system afterwards. Really, at that point, it's not effective. It's a difficult rule to try to make work."

[Narps]

Father of killed driver lashes out at Tony Stewart

 

 

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The father of the driver run over and killed by Tony Stewart told The Syracuse Post-Standard that "there's no reason for" the crash that led to his son's death.

 

Kevin Ward Jr. was sent into the wall when his car was bumped by Stewart's in a dirt-track race on Saturday night in Canandaigua. Ward got out of the car and walked onto the track, where he was hit by Stewart.

Kevin Ward Sr. tells the newspaper that "Tony Stewart was the best damn driver by far on the track that night. Why he had to go up as high as he did and hog my son, there's no reason for it."

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/11/16ac6a1f-5335-467d-b31f-30e84ee68669/thumbnail/220x140/09e5d251bed572d79f9dc5d947a0e69c/ctm0811fordcrash263366640x360.jpg

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Are there legal troubles ahead for NASCAR star Tony Stewart?

When the 20-year-old Ward got out of his damaged car, he walked on the track and appeared to point at Stewart. Other cars drove past him, but Stewart's right-rear tire appeared to hit him and drag him along the track.

 

"Apparently, Tony Stewart was the only one driving out there who didn't see him," Ward told the newspaper.

No charges have been filed against Stewart, but they are still possible.

 

Ward also addressed that in his interview with the newspaper, saying: "The one person that knows what happened that night is possibly facing 10 years in prison. Is he going to say what he done?"

 

Stewart could still face criminal charges, even if the three-time NASCAR champion didn't mean to kill Ward, hurt him or even scare him.

"They're going to look at all possibilities here," CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford said. "There could be some type of charges out of here that don't focus on intent."

http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/11/9b61dddb-bbef-47c9-aed8-77fc9e647ef2/thumbnail/220x140/c51b678b0c028aeec8c295012dfb15a9/en081114dahler1263613640x360.jpg

Play Video

Does racing encourage machismo culture?

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero, who announced on Tuesday that the investigation is continuing, has said that his initial findings have turned up nothing that would indicate criminal intent in the crash at the Canandaigua Motorsports Park.

 

But legal experts agree that does not mean Stewart is in the clear.

 

The NASCAR star could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he "recklessly caused the death of another person," with negligent homicide another possibility, according to criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law.

"The question over whether someone was reckless is a factual one, and one a prosecutor might let a jury decide," said Yung, who also posts at the Concurring Opinion blog.

http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/10/40ea8044-b076-485d-81c5-2ea1447b9815/thumbnail/220x140/79383b5576e1be46b413a3ee0459315b/us081014tonystewartkillsaguy263073640x360.jpg

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Tony Stewart hits, kills driver in sprint car race

On-track confrontations between drivers are becoming more common in auto racing but Stewart has a reputation for being especially short-tempered.

He has been fined three times for his on-track behavior, as well as altercations with reporters, photographers and race officials. Two years ago, Stewart walked onto the track and threw his helmet at another driver he felt had wronged him.

 

"He's not afraid to battle with other drivers when it comes to his opinions and how he thinks things should be done but when he's in the race car he's extremely talented," said Jeff Gluck, who has covered racing for USA Today for 10 years.

 

Investigators are looking at everything from the muddy conditions of the track to whether the lights were working and sufficient. Stewart and his team declined CBS News' request for an interview.

 

Meanwhile, in the wake of Ward's death, NASCAR could issue an edict as early as this weekend's race at Michigan International Speedway that makes it mandatory for drivers to stay in their cars until safety personnel arrive.

 

Brewerton Speedway and Fulton Speedway, New York dirt tracks under the same management, announced new rules that drivers would be required to stay in their cars during an accident.

 

"If a driver, for whatever reason, exits a car on the track during a caution period, the race will automatically be placed under a red flag and all cars will come to a complete stop," a news release on the tracks' website says. "A driver may exit a car if requested by a safety crew member or if safety warrants in cases such as a fire. Drivers that exit a car without permission, for whatever reason, are subject to fine and/or suspension at the discretion of track management."

Brad Keselowski, the 2012 Sprint Cup champion, said it could be tough for NASCAR to enforce a similar rule.

 

"I'm not aware of any rule or law that works without the ability to enforce it," he said. "I don't know how you can enforce a rule like that unless you had a robot on the track to grab the person and put them back in the car. The only way you can enforce it is with a penalty system afterwards. Really, at that point, it's not effective. It's a difficult rule to try to make work."

Seems like from the video that Stewart isn't/wasn't the only one with a short temper.....

[laughedatbytime]

The following is from a parody site. When my wife read it to me it seemed plausible until it talked about Tony driving a Ford Taurus.

 

The kind of disturbing thing here is that I presume they were trying to be funny here, but I could see Tony acting in just the way they describe, while they ostensibly feel that possibility absurd.

 

CHARLOTTE, North Carolina - NASCAR- Tony Stewart To Announce Retirement From Auto Racing After Accident That Kills Competing Driver

 

NASCAR Insiders Rusty Wallace and Darrell Waltrip have informed the Associated Press that three-time Sprint Cup Champion Tony Stewart will hold a press conference in the coming days, and is expected to announce his retirement from all auto racing activities, as well as announcing the sale of his half of his ownership of Stewart-Haas Racing. The announcement comes after Stewart tragically struck and killed fellow sprint car driver Kevin Ward, Jr.

 

“This was a tragic accident, one he just can’t get over. I talked with Tony yesterday and he made it clear, he is done with racing. I tried to suggest to him to take time off and think it over for a few months, he told me he has made up his mind and will announce soon. I hope he changes his mind, but it sure sounded like he meant it,” said former NASCAR champion and Hall of Fame member Rusty Wallace.

 

According to Waltrip, he talked to Stewart for hours the night after the accident and again two days ago, and he says Stewart has been grieving more and more after the initiative shock.

 

“The man hasn’t slept for days, this has rocked his world harder than anything he has ever had to deal with. He told me he could never effectively get back in a race car and drive. He can barely bring himself to drive his Ford Taurus to the supermarket and back without cringing. I expect an announcement in the next few days, he is just working on what he is going to say to the fans and most importantly the father of the victim, Kevin Ward, Sr.,” Waltrip told NASCAR reporter Nicole Briscoe via telephone interview last night.

 

Ward, 20, had climbed out of his Sprint car during a dirt race in Canadaigua, N.Y., and he walked toward Stewart’s car during a caution, and while gesturing to him was struck and killed by the car Stewart was driving. Ward was pronounced dead on his way to the hospital.

 

Several race fans who have watched the horrific video believe that Stewart’s aggressive racing nature caused the death of Ward, including Ward’s father.

 

“Tony Stewart was the best damn driver by far on the track that night. Why he had to go up as high as he did and hog my son, there’s no reason for it,” Ward Sr. told the Syracuse Post-Standard. “Apparently, he was the only driver on the track who didn’t see [my son.] The one person that knows what happened that night could possibly be facing 10 years in prison. Is he going to say what he’s done?”

 

Speaking to the Associated Press, Corey Rayburn Yung, a law professor, said that under New York State law, Stewart could very possibly be charged with manslaughter, even if there was no intent to strike Ward.

 

“The question over whether someone was reckless is a factual one, and one a prosecutor might let a jury decide,” Yung said. “So far, from what I’ve read, Stewart has cooperated with police. That does not mean that once this is all said and done, that they won’t find him at fault one way or the other.”

 

On whether Stewart will retire from racing, all signs point to yes given the sources. “There will for sure be a press conference in which Tony speaks for himself, I think he sees no other way around this,” said Waltrip. “It will indeed be a sad day for NASCAR.”

 

Stewart-Haas Racing has not commented on the rumor, and a representative for the team could neither confirm nor deny Stewart’s intentions.

 

http://empirenews.net/nascar-tony-stewart-to-announce-retirement-from-auto-racing-after-accident-that-kills-competing-driver/

[edhunter]

I know the father is grieving and emotional right now, but someday he's gonna have to face the fact his hotheaded son was entirely responsible for his own death.

[goose]

I find this country's blame addiction and the litigation industry that it feeds revolting. Accidents happen.

[Slack jaw gaze]

I find this country's blame addiction and the litigation industry that it feeds revolting. Accidents happen.

...and wanton recklessness doesn't.

[Slack jaw gaze]

“I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards.”

 

http://thebiglead.co...irt-track-race/

[Rick N. Backer]

“I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards.”

 

http://thebiglead.co...irt-track-race/

 

If we're going to be fair here Graves doesn't "know" Stewart saw Ward. He can say he doesn't believe Stewart didn't see him based on his own experience with those type of cars.