diatribein Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) My answer is yes to all three, but I am less secure about the last choice. They would still be a favourite, but maybe not as highly regarded if Presto was their debut album. . Edited July 9, 2017 by diatribein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbobby10 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 This is an interesting thread, I said yes to Signals and Permanent Waves but no to Presto. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verena Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 To all three questions! Absolutely! RUSH ON!! :rush: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 As far as the first two questions yes to one of my favorites but they wouldn't be my favorite as they have been for over 40 years now. The last question is an easy one because I would highly doubt I would even know who they are or have listened to them at all... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 One of my favorites yes, but no longer the favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I hate Presto. If it was their debut album it'd be a long time before I ever listened to them again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Rush is one of my favorite bands ... But had they not had that run from The Debut thru Hemispheres, they would not be .. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy the post 70s stuff, but "favorite" is very different than "enjoyable" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Girl Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I said yes to PW, but no to the rest. But there's not really any way to tell what would've grabbed me or not with those later two albums. If Subdivisions was their breakout tune, then I'd probably consider them a one hit wonder and leave it at that. I would've like the song but not necessarily gotten into the band. I don't dislike Signals, I don't dislike Presto. Now if you'd substituted Grace Under Pressure for Signals or Presto, I would probably become a fan from that point on. But of the choices you gave us, there is virtually nothing on PW that I dislike, or disliked at the time I first heard it (summer 1980). The Spirit of Radio drew my sister and I in, listening to the whole of PW made us love it, looking up their back catalog made us fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permanent-Rush Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I would say yes to all 3, because those 3 albums combined are better than the debut album. The debut is not bad, but it's not a favorite Rush album of mine. I prefer there 80's stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 So would these albums be released in their perspective years or in '74? For perspective years I would say the only one I would say yes to would be PW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I would say YES only to PeW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken hawk Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Of Course. YES to all 3. Rush is RUSH. What an influence they are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 YYN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy Jazz Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 YYY :rush: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The only one I would say a cautious yes to would be PeW... It would greatly decrease the length of their golden run which for me ended with HYF, so perhaps they would just be another band I liked , but not favourite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatribein Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 So would these albums be released in their perspective years or in '74? For perspective years I would say the only one I would say yes to would be PW. They would be in the year they came out, so it would mean that the band had remained undiscovered up until the year that the album in question came out on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatribein Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 I said yes to PW, but no to the rest. But there's not really any way to tell what would've grabbed me or not with those later two albums. If Subdivisions was their breakout tune, then I'd probably consider them a one hit wonder and leave it at that. I would've like the song but not necessarily gotten into the band. I don't dislike Signals, I don't dislike Presto. Now if you'd substituted Grace Under Pressure for Signals or Presto, I would probably become a fan from that point on. But of the choices you gave us, there is virtually nothing on PW that I dislike, or disliked at the time I first heard it (summer 1980). The Spirit of Radio drew my sister and I in, listening to the whole of PW made us love it, looking up their back catalog made us fans. I thought about doing Grace Under Pressure for the second choice because it would be more evenly distributed (two albums between each choice), but ultimately I felt like the style shift was a little more pronounced between Moving Pictures and Signals than Signals and Grace Under Pressure. Also, the fact that both Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures are so highly regarded on the board influenced my choice. I am basically asking what is the difference in drop-off between those who need the 70s material to fuel their fandom versus the ones who could still love the band as long as they had those two iconic albums in their catalogue. If I add Signals to that cohort, I could be bringing in a whole different group of fans and lose the ability to pinpoint how important Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures are to some fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prolix Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 YYN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 So would these albums be released in their perspective years or in '74? For perspective years I would say the only one I would say yes to would be PW. They would be in the year they came out, so it would mean that the band had remained undiscovered up until the year that the album in question came out on. Then definitely only Permanent Waves. They were unique and unusual back then. The more recent stuff is more mainstream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 YYZ....just turn the Z on its side. :P If PeW, they'd still be my favorite. If Sigs, they'd be one of my favorites, but not #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Girl Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) You know...I see a lot here vying for BEST FAN EVER by voting for all three. But that's not exactly what the OP is asking. You don't know that they'd still be your favorite, or even a favorite even if not for their 70s releases. While I can believe that a very minute percentage of fans upon listening to Signals would declare Rush their favorite band, Presto is even harder to believe and a much smaller percentage than even that. Without the foundation of what came before and with those particular albums released in their perspective years I find it highly unlikely. Oh sure, you can say they'd still be a favorite. But really, this is one of those 'you'll never know' questions. Edited July 10, 2017 by Alien Girl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) No to all three. While Pew and MP are very strong albums, they're not strong enough to erase the sins of the subsequent albums to make the band my fave. Edited July 10, 2017 by JARG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Possibly PeW....but Rush's 'debut' for me was ATWAS, and downhill ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Slipperman Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Yes,Yes, No. PermWaves, MP, and Signals were my first Rush albums (back when MP and Signals were brand new). If Presto was their debut, I would still dig them a lot, but I don't think they'd be one of my most-loved, and most-listened to bands. It would be more for isolated tracks than full albums. Edited July 10, 2017 by Mystic Slipperman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatribein Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 You know...I see a lot here vying for BEST FAN EVER by voting for all three. But that's not exactly what the OP is asking. You don't know that they'd still be your favorite, or even a favorite even if not for their 70s releases. While I can believe that a very minute percentage of fans upon listening to Signals would declare Rush their favorite band, Presto is even harder to believe and a much smaller percentage than even that. Without the foundation of what came before and with those particular albums released in their perspective years I find it highly unlikely. Oh sure, you can say they'd still be a favorite. But really, this is one of those 'you'll never know' questions. Thanks for writing this! I agree with everything you said. I expected there to be a few more NO votes for the first question too and I also think some people are underestimating how having Presto be the first album would effect their fandom. The newcomers in Rock releasing their first album in 1989 that had some level of success right away were bands like Warrant, Skid Row, and Extreme. Bands like Nirvana, Green Day, and The Offspring also debuted in 1989, but they were not well known until the 90s and signed to indie labels. How Presto would fit into this mix as a debut album is unknown, but I would expect that it would be received more closely to the former three than the latter. We all know that those bands were swept away 4 years later by the alternative revolution. Me personally, I love everything released by Warrant (with Jani Lane) and Extreme / Nuno Bettencourt even after the 1993 cull, but most people moved on. I used that fact to try to extrapolate whether or not Presto would lead me to continue to be a fan of the band until the end of their career. The problem with that sort of thinking is that RUSH only got to continue to have major label releases after 1993 because they had been around for much longer and had a fan base that gutted it through changes in the music industry. Either way, I still would have been a fan. Presto, Roll The Bones, Counterparts, and Test For Echo were all good enough for me to solidify a bond with the band that I would not break. The entire poll for me is very different than for most of the people responding though, because I see the 70s albums more as dead weight than music that drives my fandom. I came along in 1984 with Grace Under Pressure and until 1988 only had Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire in my collection. Those were the albums that made me a fan. It wasn't until 1988 that I started to buy some of the older albums. I think one of the first things I bought was Archives (collection of first 3 albums) and I NEVER listened to it again after one or two plays of each album. To be honest, I hated them. It just wasn't the kind of music I was into and I didn't really see much of what I loved about Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire in any of those albums. I don't think it was until after I bought Chronicles that I started to listen to the pre-1984 songs and started to like songs like Fly By Night and Lakeside Park. It was then, after Presto had been release, after Chronicles came out that I started looking for more of the older albums. I loved the songs from Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures on Chronicles and I ended up loving those albums too, but I never got as deeply into the 70s material. It just wasn't the RUSH I knew and loved. I love select tracks here and there (Circumstances, Cinderella Man, Something For Nothing), but none of it ever meant as much to me as those mid to late 80s albums and even the music they made in the 90s and 00s. I know my expreience is very different from the majority here, so I would expect a lot more NOs in the votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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