fraroc Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Seeing as how Marillion is being discussed a lot....I figured what the hell, might as well make ANOTHER topic about it and cause a little bit of discussion/controversy because that's what I do best. Anyways, As much as I like some of Steve Hogarth era Marillion, I think my allegiance lies with Fish. Why? Because with Fish, I feel like Marillion wasn't as musically stagnant. For example, on Fugazi, you have songs like Assassin, Punch and Judy, and Incubus that are danceable anthems while you also have softer songs like Jigsaw. When it comes to an album like This Strange Machine, The only upbeat song on that album is An Accidental Man while the rest of it is just nothing but boring elevator music. Fuck Everything And Run I feel also has the same problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 #TeamHashtagsAreDumb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I'm fine with either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 cause a little bit of discussion/controversy because that's what I do best. That's one way to put it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Fish all the way. Hogarth sounds like he's battling a constant head cold. and took a massive amount of cough syrup........and it's kicking in while he's recording. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnify Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Fish, no question. Fan since 83. I tried the Hogarth era. I was open to the change. It required effort. It didn't take. Then, it got worse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dwarf Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! Fish drove them. seems like they just lost interest quickly with Hogarth. as every album has sounded pretty safe and Stagnant for a while now. Mickl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dwarf Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! Fish drove them. seems like they just lost interest quickly with Hogarth. as every album has sounded pretty safe and Stagnant for a while now. Mickl It's a big shame they ownly made four albums with Fish!Really believe they could have been huge with more time together,but we all know the problems they had during the making of Clutching At Straws,therefore it was inevitable that the end was soon to come.Amazes me how good an album that is by the way! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! Fish drove them. seems like they just lost interest quickly with Hogarth. as every album has sounded pretty safe and Stagnant for a while now. Mickl It's a big shame they ownly made four albums with Fish!Really believe they could have been huge with more time together,but we all know the problems they had during the making of Clutching At Straws,therefore it was inevitable that the end was soon to come.Amazes me how good an album that is by the way! And fish made some Damn good solo albums after. Whicch shows me that era had more gas in the tank had they continued.,Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day of Light Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I prefer Steve but I like Fish. I agree that Fish-era Marillion were less stagnant, but outside of Fugazi it was hard for me to get it. Not all of Hogarth-era Marillion is interesting to me, either, but there's much more content, so even if I only like some things, overall I end up liking more stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dwarf Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! Fish drove them. seems like they just lost interest quickly with Hogarth. as every album has sounded pretty safe and Stagnant for a while now. Mickl It's a big shame they ownly made four albums with Fish!Really believe they could have been huge with more time together,but we all know the problems they had during the making of Clutching At Straws,therefore it was inevitable that the end was soon to come.Amazes me how good an album that is by the way! And fish made some Damn good solo albums after. Whicch shows me that era had more gas in the tank had they continued.,Mick Fish's first solo record,The Vigil In The Wilderness Of Mirrors, has always been a particular favourite of mine! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Not a Fish fan. Hogarth all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! Fish drove them. seems like they just lost interest quickly with Hogarth. as every album has sounded pretty safe and Stagnant for a while now. Mickl It's a big shame they ownly made four albums with Fish!Really believe they could have been huge with more time together,but we all know the problems they had during the making of Clutching At Straws,therefore it was inevitable that the end was soon to come.Amazes me how good an album that is by the way! Its amazing. Definitely went on a high note. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Brave was the last Hogarth-era album that I enjoyed.This never happened with the Fish-era Marillion.I enjoyed them all!The day I heard Market Square Heroes,Grendel,Garden Party etc for the first time was a special day.Fish-era Marillion easily gets my vote! Fish drove them. seems like they just lost interest quickly with Hogarth. as every album has sounded pretty safe and Stagnant for a while now. Mickl I disgaree. They last two albums proved that. They have not made two that sound the same but they were a bit lost in the late 90's after their EMI deal went south. They came back in a huge way with Anorak and then Marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYZumbi Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Oh, Fish by far! He is Marillion! He just sounds great the way he sings. I saw Marillion live once with Hogarth. And it was just terrible. He cant sing for a shit, and the sound that the band got now is just boring. It also seems like Rothery does not get same much space after Fish left. Just boring.... I have seen Fish live, I think 4 times, and its just great! I saw his last tour when he played the whole Misplaced Childhood album, loved it! I was standing at first row. I even talked to Fish before the show started, and he signed some vinyl records of mine :D 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Fish: poet and frontmanHogey: singer Edited December 15, 2016 by geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYZumbi Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Fish: poet and frontmanHogey: bad singer Now its correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Fish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYZumbi Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Fish! n chips! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The Hogarth era is one that I suspect will click with me if/when I make the effort and listen to the albums in detail. The Fish era, however, clicked immediately, all songs just hit you in the face mercilessly and you´re like "this is awesome!!!!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetaxe&saw Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I love both dearly, but the Hogarth albums from Brave on have been, on the main, sensational. H is a master chronicler of the human condition. I love how their sound has progressed too. F.E.A.R. is my album of the year. The Fish albums are nice to revisit every now and again, but I think I've outgrown them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyfriar Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Fish. I met him a couple of times (he lived only 20 miles away from me) the guy is so down to earth and funny. Always had a joke on hand and the stories he told were hilarious. Brilliant lyricist, fantastic singer and he has a heart of Lothian. Saw Marillion live in 1985 and in 1986, and they were a fantastic live band at the time. Great memories. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYZumbi Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Fish. I met him a couple of times (he lived only 20 miles away from me) the guy is so down to earth and funny. Always had a joke on hand and the stories he told were hilarious. Brilliant lyricist, fantastic singer and he has a heart of Lothian. Saw Marillion live in 1985 and in 1986, and they were a fantastic live band at the time. Great memories. I have also talked to him (once) and I agree. He really is a nice guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relayer2112 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I believe that Marillion was more relevant in the Fish era and I was hopeful after "Season's End" when Hogarth came on board, but something got lost in the transition. That being said, I do appreciate both eras. They are just not a band that I feel compelled to listen to very frequently anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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