Segue Myles Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Signals is their best ever. Grace is also one of their best, but the production kills it for me. The songs are great though, and sound so good live! Ha! I hate Signals production, and just LOVE GUP's cold, crisp and ultimately atmospheric sound! Crazy haha...what's wrong with Grace's production might I ask? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The production kills me but i've said it's to Police for me. I know i know..........some people will say it's not there. to me it's all over. more so then Signals which features police influence to. but it sticks out more for me on Grace. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The production kills me but i've said it's to Police for me. I know i know..........some people will say it's not there. to me it's all over. more so then Signals which features police influence to. but it sticks out more for me on Grace. Mick I hear The Police all over Signals way more...on GUP, only one track: The Body Electric. The rest just sounds very eighties (in a good way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexMike Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Count me as another who greatly prefers Grace, both in songs and production. Signals has always sounded a bit 'soft' to me; Grace has more punch to my ears. I also find Grace to be consistently good throughout, whereas Signals starts off with 2 great songs and then is consistently mediocre. Oh well, this place would be boring if we all just agreed on everything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Count me as another who greatly prefers Grace, both in songs and production. Signals has always sounded a bit 'soft' to me; Grace has more punch to my ears. I also find Grace to be consistently good throughout, whereas Signals starts off with 2 great songs and then is consistently mediocre. Oh well, this place would be boring if we all just agreed on everything. Some of us need constant reminding of this, sadly! But glad I am not alone! Only, I rate the last two songs on Signals highly, and the rest as pretty meh, aside from The Weapon (which isn't the greatest song ever either...a very good 8/10). I think the fact I don't live Subdivisions as much as other fans Hurts my enjoyment of this album. I love the video for the song, and in that format I enjoy the song more (which leads me to conclude I will love it live), but on record, like much of Subdivisions, it is just a nicely written song, with admittedly great lyrics. Musically it does little for me (but it is improving with me, so maybe one day it'll click!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexMike Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Count me as another who greatly prefers Grace, both in songs and production. Signals has always sounded a bit 'soft' to me; Grace has more punch to my ears. I also find Grace to be consistently good throughout, whereas Signals starts off with 2 great songs and then is consistently mediocre. Oh well, this place would be boring if we all just agreed on everything.I think the fact I don't live Subdivisions as much as other fans Hurts my enjoyment of this album. I love the video for the song, and in that format I enjoy the song more (which leads me to conclude I will love it live), but on record, like much of Subdivisions, it is just a nicely written song, with admittedly great lyrics. Musically it does little for me (but it is improving with me, so maybe one day it'll click!). Interesting, your opinion on Subdivisions. It may be in my top 5 favorite Rush songs. I never get tired of it. Absolute masterpiece. And in Signals defense, I like Subdivisions more than any single track on GUP. As a whole album though, Grace is stronger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Count me as another who greatly prefers Grace, both in songs and production. Signals has always sounded a bit 'soft' to me; Grace has more punch to my ears. I also find Grace to be consistently good throughout, whereas Signals starts off with 2 great songs and then is consistently mediocre. Oh well, this place would be boring if we all just agreed on everything.I think the fact I don't live Subdivisions as much as other fans Hurts my enjoyment of this album. I love the video for the song, and in that format I enjoy the song more (which leads me to conclude I will love it live), but on record, like much of Subdivisions, it is just a nicely written song, with admittedly great lyrics. Musically it does little for me (but it is improving with me, so maybe one day it'll click!). Interesting, your opinion on Subdivisions. It may be in my top 5 favorite Rush songs. I never get tired of it. Absolute masterpiece. And in Signals defense, I like Subdivisions more than any single track on GUP. As a whole album though, Grace is stronger. It's not something that bugs me, Subdivisions is a good song, but I just don't enjoy it very much! Everyone seems to be of the opinion that Rush made a mistake losing Terry Brown, but the direction they were heading in only improved once they let go of him! He was great in the seventies, but Rush evolved and Brown didn't. GUP to HYF is a run of albums to rival the best of any great band, and they clicked with the right producers! But hard rock was Terry Brown's strength, and I think Signals suffered a lot because of the confused sense of direction, and Rush were right to let go. My opinion, and those who rate Signals higher than me have every right too, especially if this style of rock fits their taste more than mine! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I also agree that it was time to part ways with Broon when they did. I would argue that the balance that he and the band created was absolutely perfect on both Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures...but as Geddy in particular continued to be influenced by more modern or of-the-moment keyboard sounds, and as Alex and Neil both seemed to be more influenced by contemporary pop in the early '80s...yeah, it wasn't working as well between band and producer. I love five out of eight songs on Signals. On Grace, it's seven of eight. And that alone is not what makes me favour it- the production also definitely plays a part. The songs on Signals that I love, I absolutely love. But I do think that Grace just "worked", better. I feel it's the stronger album. Funny, because I've always been such a rock and roll kid, and outside of Rush, there isn't much music in the '80s that I like or love (okay, there's Maiden). But...the more firmly synth-rooted album works better than the sometimes muddled one that preceded it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graxxus Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Signals, because Signals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadu Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Am I the only person who loves Losing it and Countdown? Oh hell no. I love them both. :D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Glad it is so close! Personally, Signals is a decent album, but unlike most on this forum, it isn't top ten. Grace Under Pressure, meanwhile, is one of my favourite albums by any band ever. Red Lenses has never been a true masterpiece to my ears, so like CoS, it misses out on my shortlist of 10/10 albums die to this slight moment of weakness. I like it, whereas I truly love and enjoy every other song immensely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Glad it is so close! Personally, Signals is a decent album, but unlike most on this forum, it isn't top ten. Grace Under Pressure, meanwhile, is one of my favourite albums by any band ever. Red Lenses has never been a true masterpiece to my ears, so like CoS, it misses out on my shortlist of 10/10 albums die to this slight moment of weakness. I like it, whereas I truly love and enjoy every other song immensely. I agree, Red Lenses is, umm...not even close to masterpiece territory- it's closer to clunker. But as for all the rest of Grace Under Pressure, it's really, really strong. 9/10 for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 By contrast, Signals gets an 8 from me, on the same 10-scale. The good stuff on it is really good to great- but two songs out of eight, I usually skip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I can understand why the vote is so close between these two. The last two "great" ones in my view. Great 80's... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librarian Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Signals by a hair because it is my favorite album, although I do love GUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Signals doesn't have any duds! ;) :madra: The Weapon for starters, then Chemistry is meh, then Digital Man is even more meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Signals:Subdivisions- 7/10The Analog Kid 7/10Chemistry 5/10Digital Man- 6/10The Weapon- 8/10New World Man- 8/10Losing It- 10/10Countdown 9/10 Average rating: 7.5 Grace Under Pressure:Distant Early Warning 10/10Afterimage 10/10Red Sector A 10/10The Enemy Within 9/10The Body Electric 10/10Kid Gloves 9/10Red Lenses 7/10Between The Wheels 10/10 Average rating: 9.375 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlySignals Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Signals!!! The analog synths were the best. I love p/g too. HYF and Power Windows are much higher on my ranking though. Subdivisions - 10/10The Analog Kid - 11/10Chemistry - 10/10Digital Man - 10/10The Weapon - 10/10New World Man - 9/10Losing It - 10/10Countdown - 11/10 ----------------- Distant Early Warning - 7/10Afterimage - 8/10Red Sector A - 10/10The Enemy Within - 10/10The Body Electric - 9/10Kid Gloves - 11/10Red Lenses - 8/10Between The Wheels - 10/10 Edited September 27, 2015 by DistantEarlySignals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek19 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 The first voting thread of this. I think, and feel there shouldn't have the need to be comparing by voting. Both c.ds, and albums have been, and are equal, and even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat 3 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I think Signals is the better record, but I prefer Grace Under Pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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