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Posted 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 12:48 AM

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
All too common these days.

Still good though?

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:42 AM

View Postgoose, on 21 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
All too common these days.

Still good though?
Yes good...but only just so. Even without the character development, it could have been improved just by using a more traditional story-telling technique.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:52 AM

As usual I will just wait for it to come out and watch it at home.

I really hate going to the movies. I don't remember the last time I went.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 11:57 AM

View PostJARG, on 21 July 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 21 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
All too common these days.

Still good though?
Yes good...but only just so. Even without the character development, it could have been improved just by using a more traditional story-telling technique.
Thanks for that. I have tickets for next Tuesday and its good to hear something critical. I would much rather go into it with realistic expectations.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 11:59 AM

View Postthesweetscience, on 21 July 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

As usual I will just wait for it to come out and watch it at home.

I really hate going to the movies. I don't remember the last time I went.
I love the whole experience of going to a movie. I have a hard time watching movies at home because of all that I have to do and the distractions. I don't usually like the movies I see at home as well as I would, had I seen them in a theater.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 01:40 PM

View Postworkingcinderellaman, on 21 July 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Postthesweetscience, on 21 July 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

As usual I will just wait for it to come out and watch it at home.

I really hate going to the movies. I don't remember the last time I went.
I love the whole experience of going to a movie. I have a hard time watching movies at home because of all that I have to do and the distractions. I don't usually like the movies I see at home as well as I would, had I seen them in a theater.
different strokes I guess.  I don't really have any distractions at my home and I don't have to deal with asshole people and overpriced food.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:15 AM

The coming attractions for this move have looked great.  The reviews for it have been very, very good.  I love history.  So this is a movie that I have really wanted to see.

Ran out last night and saw it.  So what did I think?  Largely a snooze fest.  Almost walked out.

Now lets be honest about the plus's for the movie.  The actual filming I thought was very good.  At times I really felt like I was in the Channel.  Some of the dialog was ok.  But if you have seen the coming attractions you have seen (IMO) the best of the dialog.

Which brings me to the minus's.  For a movie that claims its about an event that shaped our world (that was on the poster at the theatre I went to) there was NO explanation as to how things got there & NO explanation of what came after.  Since I know my history I could live with that, but for the fool who does not know there history, they will be lost.  Even so, for me it was a big draw back.  I wanted some back story to set the movie up.

In addition, the dialog was sparse.  Like I said, if you saw the coming attractions you herd the best of it.  Due to the lack of dialog I could never identify at all with any of the characters.  Perhaps the old sea captain.  That was it.

So I was left with a movie that sort of wandered, with characters I could not identify with, that really did not have a solid start or end, that did not have great dialog or many good lines.

Perhaps its just me.  I hope you all see it and love it.  I can't say don't see it.  Maybe I am totally missing something.  But it did not click with me at all.  

Best of luck with this one folks.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:21 AM

View PostTheAccountant, on 23 July 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

The coming attractions for this move have looked great.  The reviews for it have been very, very good.  I love history.  So this is a movie that I have really wanted to see.

Ran out last night and saw it.  So what did I think?  Largely a snooze fest.  Almost walked out.

Now lets be honest about the plus's for the movie.  The actual filming I thought was very good.  At times I really felt like I was in the Channel.  Some of the dialog was ok.  But if you have seen the coming attractions you have seen (IMO) the best of the dialog.

Which brings me to the minus's.  For a movie that claims its about an event that shaped our world (that was on the poster at the theatre I went to) there was NO explanation as to how things got there & NO explanation of what came after.  Since I know my history I could live with that, but for the fool who does not know there history, they will be lost.  Even so, for me it was a big draw back.  I wanted some back story to set the movie up.

In addition, the dialog was sparse.  Like I said, if you saw the coming attractions you herd the best of it.  Due to the lack of dialog I could never identify at all with any of the characters.  Perhaps the old sea captain.  That was it.

So I was left with a movie that sort of wandered, with characters I could not identify with, that really did not have a solid start or end, that did not have great dialog or many good lines.

Perhaps its just me.  I hope you all see it and love it.  I can't say don't see it.  Maybe I am totally missing something.  But it did not click with me at all.  

Best of luck with this one folks.
It sounds like much of the praise of this film may be acknowledgement of the historical event, rather than the movie itself.  That this story is finally told is enough for praise, perhaps.  But it sounds like they may have missed the mark a bit in terms of engaging an audience.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:10 AM

Most of the comments I've seen on line so far:
English: thank god the Americans didn't try to steal this story from us.
French: what about us, we were there?
Russian: ummmm, you guys lost.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:23 PM

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I need to support a few films the next few weeks but increasingly have less patience with audiences these days. Dunkirk is one such film.
I hear you. I love to go to the movies so I try not to let things bother me too much, but there are some things I really hate. Since I worked at a movie theater as a teen, I have no problem telling someone to be quiet or to turn their bright smartphone off.  Even with all of that, I still love going to see movies in a big theater.

Kids being brought to hard r movies is the worst.  A stupid couple brought their baby to see Sicario at a showing I went to.  Wait until Epix or hire a sitter, damnit!

Great movie, though.

Parents taking children to see movies that are inappropriate for their (the kids') age is one of my pet peeves. I see young parents do this a lot.

I saw that too.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 11:09 AM

View PostJARG, on 21 July 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 21 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
All too common these days.

Still good though?
Yes good...but only just so. Even without the character development, it could have been improved just by using a more traditional story-telling technique.
And that pretty much sums up what I thought about it.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 05:13 PM

Just got home from watching it, so here are my initial thoughts:

The cinematography and soundtrack I think is great. It felt realistic without being overly Hollywood dramatic. One of my buddies was left wanting more gut and gore - but to each his own. I liked how all the small timelines got interwoven and how it benefited the narrative. I too could have wanted more dialogue, but maybe that isn't the point. Maybe the point isn't to attach yourself to a few characters, but the whole lot instead, the desperation and fear they went through. It's very different from your standard war movie. I will buy it on DVD some day, and when I see it more times, it might become better. It might not.

By the way, how great is that Imax? Holy smokes! I haven't been in a cinema for years, so I shelled out for the premium seats. I expected a seat but got a couch :lol:

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 05:25 PM

View PostThe Analog Grownup, on 26 July 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Just got home from watching it, so here are my initial thoughts:

The cinematography and soundtrack I think is great. It felt realistic without being overly Hollywood dramatic. One of my buddies was left wanting more gut and gore - but to each his own. I liked how all the small timelines got interwoven and how it benefited the narrative. I too could have wanted more dialogue, but maybe that isn't the point. Maybe the point isn't to attach yourself to a few characters, but the whole lot instead, the desperation and fear they went through. It's very different from your standard war movie. I will buy it on DVD some day, and when I see it more times, it might become better. It might not.

By the way, how great is that Imax? Holy smokes! I haven't been in a cinema for years, so I shelled out for the premium seats. I expected a seat but got a couch :lol:

I also just returned from seeing it.  Outstanding cinematography.  Quite suspenseful and profound.  I do think that it fell a bit short in capturing the immensity of the battle/evacuation.  Could have had more dialogue, but it didn't hurt the film.  What I found fascinating was how this battle was depicted without showing one face of "The Enemy".  I don't believe I've ever seen it before in a war film.    

GOOD SHOW.  I'm glad I went to see it.  :haz:

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 07:08 PM

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:05 AM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 26 July 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

View PostThe Analog Grownup, on 26 July 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Just got home from watching it, so here are my initial thoughts:

The cinematography and soundtrack I think is great. It felt realistic without being overly Hollywood dramatic. One of my buddies was left wanting more gut and gore - but to each his own. I liked how all the small timelines got interwoven and how it benefited the narrative. I too could have wanted more dialogue, but maybe that isn't the point. Maybe the point isn't to attach yourself to a few characters, but the whole lot instead, the desperation and fear they went through. It's very different from your standard war movie. I will buy it on DVD some day, and when I see it more times, it might become better. It might not.

By the way, how great is that Imax? Holy smokes! I haven't been in a cinema for years, so I shelled out for the premium seats. I expected a seat but got a couch :lol:

I also just returned from seeing it.  Outstanding cinematography.  Quite suspenseful and profound.  I do think that it fell a bit short in capturing the immensity of the battle/evacuation.  Could have had more dialogue, but it didn't hurt the film.  What I found fascinating was how this battle was depicted without showing one face of "The Enemy".  I don't believe I've ever seen it before in a war film.

GOOD SHOW.  I'm glad I went to see it.  :haz:
Dunkirk is easily the best film I've seen in ages.  As noted, the cinematography is brilliant.  Very similar to what Terrence Malick does, with Dunkirk Christopher Nolan allows the natural elements of the event itself - nature, emotions - act as the central characters.  The sparsity of dialogue makes it all work, as the circumstances that the human characters find themselves in, and their reactions to it, say it all.  The horror of being in the belly of a sinking ship, of being pinned down by enemy fire, of being in a desperate air battle, of waiting helplessly on a beach for your turn to be rescued.  


A final remark...

I agree that the scale of the evacuation wasn't fully captured, but the film captured the first day only, and on that day, only 7,600+ men were rescued.  Over eight days, 330,000+ were rescued, and that fact was referred to in the closing scenes on the train.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:09 AM

View Postworkingcinderellaman, on 26 July 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 21 July 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 21 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
All too common these days.

Still good though?
Yes good...but only just so. Even without the character development, it could have been improved just by using a more traditional story-telling technique.
And that pretty much sums up what I thought about it.

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Well, I for one was glad that I didn't have to sit through yet another conventional movie that told me what to think or feel every step of the way.  A rarity these days, I was captivated beginning to end.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:13 AM

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
I disagree completely.  Traditional modern movie making would have made this just another action flick.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 05:53 AM

View Postgoose, on 27 July 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

View Postworkingcinderellaman, on 26 July 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 21 July 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 21 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 20 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

So it could have been a really great movie had it been told in a different manner. Great actors, but the dialogue is too sparse and the character development too anemic for those actors to shine.
All too common these days.

Still good though?
Yes good...but only just so. Even without the character development, it could have been improved just by using a more traditional story-telling technique.
And that pretty much sums up what I thought about it.

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Well, I for one was glad that I didn't have to sit through yet another conventional movie that told me what to think or feel every step of the way.  A rarity these days, I was captivated beginning to end.
I agree with Goose. Nolan is the modern day Kubrick. This film works like 2001 in terms of sparse dialog and visual story telling...IMO

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:21 AM

I saw Dunkirk two days ago and I'll just say that it surpasses all of the great things that have been said about it. The movie is simply glorious, go and see it with all haste!




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