Most Overrated Band and/or Musician

[bluefox4000]

Randy Newman.

 

Guy couldn't write a good song to save his life.

 

sorry any newman fans, lol

 

Mick

Honestly, I don't even know who he is, except for this bit in Family Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dOZFu4QuRU

 

i forgot this, lol. but spot on, lol

 

Mick

[bluefox4000]

Bon Jovi.

 

Pretty boys. Who i think couldn't give 2 shits about the music. one of the most transparent acts i know.

 

Mick

[Lorraine]

Bon Jovi.

 

Pretty boys. Who i think couldn't give 2 shits about the music. one of the most transparent acts i know.

 

Mick

 

That doesn't say much for their fans then.

 

As you know I like The Police. But when I watched their Synchronicity Tour DVD, what turned me off the most, and which stops me from watching it more often, is their audience. Didn't they have any fans over 16? They must have been a modern-day Monkees.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Lorraine

[Union 5-3992]

1. more.

 

Opeth.

 

My. god. From the responce you'd think these guys are the 2nd coming.

 

The 2nd the vocal belching starts......i'm out.

 

Mick

Have you ever heard their 3 clean albums? 2 of them are really good

[bluefox4000]

1. more.

 

Opeth.

 

My. god. From the responce you'd think these guys are the 2nd coming.

 

The 2nd the vocal belching starts......i'm out.

 

Mick

Have you ever heard their 3 clean albums? 2 of them are really good

 

No but i'll try em.'

 

Mick

[Union 5-3992]

1. more.

 

Opeth.

 

My. god. From the responce you'd think these guys are the 2nd coming.

 

The 2nd the vocal belching starts......i'm out.

 

Mick

Have you ever heard their 3 clean albums? 2 of them are really good

 

No but i'll try em.'

 

Mick

I say the latest, Pale Communion is like a sequel to Steven Wilson's Raven That Refused To Sing

[Ancient Ways]

Posting in this topic is based strictly on one's opinion. After all, anyone who is making $$ in the music business has to have enough IT factor appealing to enough fans who are willing to shell out the money and demand the product.

With that said, my nomination is Nickleback.

 

For those of us who aren't musicians, I would agree. But if you are a musician, then you would know what is bad, mediocre and good. I would think. But I may be wrong.

 

Also, I'm starting to think that talent isn't all that necessary to soar to the top if you have appeal and a wheeler and dealer pushing you. How that "appeal" gets defined is anyone's guess.

I am a musician (relatively speaking) and I disagree. Musicians can typically ascertain chops and technique which are meaningless without the songwriting. Everyone can decide if the songwriting is there but this part is subjective. Few would disagree that a guy like yngwie j malmsteen has amazing chops and technique. His songwriting is pedestrian. Few would disagree that bob Dylan is not a virtuoso instrumentalist. However, millions think he is a great songwriter and some don't. Neither of those groups can claim that they are correct. They just have different opinions.

[Ancient Ways]

Pink Floyd

 

Rolling Stones ----like them

 

Porcupine Tree -----love them

 

Steve Wilson-------ditto

 

Radiohead-------didn't like them at first, now I really like them

 

Metallica--------loved them immediately, now they're ok and overplayed.

 

Anthrax--------meh

 

Bon Jovi----------agreed, overrated

 

KISS------------one of the worst things that ever happened to music, overrated shit. Businessman masquerading as musicians

 

Eagles----------love them, hate Frey and Henley. Solid pop songs and Don Felder is fantastic.

 

Ramones-----agreed

 

John Mellencamp-------not a fan but a good writer and performer in studio

 

Avenged Sevenfold------love them

 

Korn--------never got them

 

Linkin Park--------love them, amazing and one of the best bands of the 00s

 

Muse-----------love them, fantastic stuff

 

Queen--------hit or miss but like them generally

 

Led Zeppelin---------wow, love them. Them and sabbath 2 of best bands in 70s.

 

Steely Dan----------love them

 

My comments next to each one.

[Segue Myles]

Bon Jovi.

 

Pretty boys. Who i think couldn't give 2 shits about the music. one of the most transparent acts i know.

 

Mick

 

Not every band needs to be artistic. They were pop rockers, who created fun time rock without any showy displays of artistic grandeur, who adapted their music to fit the current musical climate.

 

Why is that such a big issue? Not every songwriter or band wants to push boundaries, some just want to please an audience, and the carefree, upbeat, rock and roll of Bon Jovi is not really all that far removed from the likes of Journey, another band that had a lot of success with music and lyrics that meant little about anything.

[Turbine Freight]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

[Segue Myles]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

Thanks! My point exactly. They are not pretentious, not anymore so than a Toto, Journey or Survivor album.

 

I love Slippery When Wet, and New Jersey through to These Days at least attempted to be a little more than mere pomp rock.

 

Bands like Styx, Kansas, Journey and others all "sold out", took the commercial route and made money. Bon Jovi are different, in the sense they started exactly as they meant to go on, which was to make money. Bon Jovi had a dream, and it was to rock, not tell stories. What's the big deal?

[bluefox4000]

Bon Jovi.

 

Pretty boys. Who i think couldn't give 2 shits about the music. one of the most transparent acts i know.

 

Mick

 

Not every band needs to be artistic. They were pop rockers, who created fun time rock without any showy displays of artistic grandeur, who adapted their music to fit the current musical climate.

 

Why is that such a big issue? Not every songwriter or band wants to push boundaries, some just want to please an audience, and the carefree, upbeat, rock and roll of Bon Jovi is not really all that far removed from the likes of Journey, another band that had a lot of success with music and lyrics that meant little about anything.

 

it's not an issue Segue. i just Violently inexplicably HATE this band. if i met any one of em. yuou'd have to restrain me :laughing guy: :laughing guy: Yea jon. Take your steel horse and your prayers and SHOVE IT. YA PRICK!!!!!!!! :moon: :moon: :moon:

 

that would be me, lol

 

it's true.

 

ickMi

[Ancient Ways]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

Thanks! My point exactly. They are not pretentious, not anymore so than a Toto, Journey or Survivor album.

 

I love Slippery When Wet, and New Jersey through to These Days at least attempted to be a little more than mere pomp rock.

 

Bands like Styx, Kansas, Journey and others all "sold out", took the commercial route and made money. Bon Jovi are different, in the sense they started exactly as they meant to go on, which was to make money. Bon Jovi had a dream, and it was to rock, not tell stories. What's the big deal?

Pretentious and sold out are perceptions and opinions. I don't like journey but I don't believe they sold out, they just evolved same as doobies and Styx

[Lorraine]

Posting in this topic is based strictly on one's opinion. After all, anyone who is making $$ in the music business has to have enough IT factor appealing to enough fans who are willing to shell out the money and demand the product.

With that said, my nomination is Nickleback.

 

For those of us who aren't musicians, I would agree. But if you are a musician, then you would know what is bad, mediocre and good. I would think. But I may be wrong.

 

Also, I'm starting to think that talent isn't all that necessary to soar to the top if you have appeal and a wheeler and dealer pushing you. How that "appeal" gets defined is anyone's guess.

I am a musician (relatively speaking) and I disagree. Musicians can typically ascertain chops and technique which are meaningless without the songwriting. Everyone can decide if the songwriting is there but this part is subjective. Few would disagree that a guy like yngwie j malmsteen has amazing chops and technique. His songwriting is pedestrian. Few would disagree that bob Dylan is not a virtuoso instrumentalist. However, millions think he is a great songwriter and some don't. Neither of those groups can claim that they are correct. They just have different opinions.

 

But how would someone who isn't a musician know whether the person playing is genuinely talented? I may like the way a guitar (or bass or drums) sounds in a song, but the person playing may be mediocre at best and just playing something catchy.

 

I may say that I think soandso is a good guitar player, and you may come along and tell me no, he stinks and doesn't have much talent. See what I mean?

[Lorraine]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

Thanks! My point exactly. They are not pretentious, not anymore so than a Toto, Journey or Survivor album.

 

I love Slippery When Wet, and New Jersey through to These Days at least attempted to be a little more than mere pomp rock.

 

Bands like Styx, Kansas, Journey and others all "sold out", took the commercial route and made money. Bon Jovi are different, in the sense they started exactly as they meant to go on, which was to make money. Bon Jovi had a dream, and it was to rock, not tell stories. What's the big deal?

 

Forgive me, but who hasn't sold out? And don't say Rush. All of the bands had to evolve in order to stay relevant.

[bluefox4000]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

Thanks! My point exactly. They are not pretentious, not anymore so than a Toto, Journey or Survivor album.

 

I love Slippery When Wet, and New Jersey through to These Days at least attempted to be a little more than mere pomp rock.

 

Bands like Styx, Kansas, Journey and others all "sold out", took the commercial route and made money. Bon Jovi are different, in the sense they started exactly as they meant to go on, which was to make money. Bon Jovi had a dream, and it was to rock, not tell stories. What's the big deal?

 

Forgive me, but who hasn't sold out? And don't say Rush. All of the bands had to evolve in order to stay relevant.

 

i hate the term Selling out with a firey passion. the band belongs to the band. they can do whatever they like. Don't like......don't listen. Cause whatever music a band makes will have an audience somewhere.

 

Mick

[Lorraine]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

Thanks! My point exactly. They are not pretentious, not anymore so than a Toto, Journey or Survivor album.

 

I love Slippery When Wet, and New Jersey through to These Days at least attempted to be a little more than mere pomp rock.

 

Bands like Styx, Kansas, Journey and others all "sold out", took the commercial route and made money. Bon Jovi are different, in the sense they started exactly as they meant to go on, which was to make money. Bon Jovi had a dream, and it was to rock, not tell stories. What's the big deal?

 

Forgive me, but who hasn't sold out? And don't say Rush. All of the bands had to evolve in order to stay relevant.

 

i hate the term Selling out with a firey passion. the band belongs to the band. they can do whatever they like. Don't like......don't listen. Cause whatever music a band makes will have an audience somewhere.

 

Mick

 

Forgive me. I'll remember in the future never to use the phrase when talking to you.

[Ancient Ways]

Posting in this topic is based strictly on one's opinion. After all, anyone who is making $$ in the music business has to have enough IT factor appealing to enough fans who are willing to shell out the money and demand the product.

With that said, my nomination is Nickleback.

 

For those of us who aren't musicians, I would agree. But if you are a musician, then you would know what is bad, mediocre and good. I would think. But I may be wrong.

 

Also, I'm starting to think that talent isn't all that necessary to soar to the top if you have appeal and a wheeler and dealer pushing you. How that "appeal" gets defined is anyone's guess.

I am a musician (relatively speaking) and I disagree. Musicians can typically ascertain chops and technique which are meaningless without the songwriting. Everyone can decide if the songwriting is there but this part is subjective. Few would disagree that a guy like yngwie j malmsteen has amazing chops and technique. His songwriting is pedestrian. Few would disagree that bob Dylan is not a virtuoso instrumentalist. However, millions think he is a great songwriter and some don't. Neither of those groups can claim that they are correct. They just have different opinions.

 

But how would someone who isn't a musician know whether the person playing is genuinely talented? I may like the way a guitar (or bass or drums) sounds in a song, but the person playing may be mediocre at best and just playing something catchy.

 

I may say that I think soandso is a good guitar player, and you may come along and tell me no, he stinks and doesn't have much talent. See what I mean?

Even here there could be some disagreement. For example, a lot of people (including guitar players) think Prince is a great guitar player simply because he can play solos and because he's Prince. I find his playing very average and what you can find at the local guitar center in a Saturday afternoon. Usually there is some agreement though. I think the less skilled you are on an instrument the better you can write songs on it because you don't get stuck in scales and patterns. Difficult to answer. Maybe someone can come along and add a comment to make more sense.

[Segue Myles]

First 2 Bon Jovi albums are great pop rock

 

Thanks! My point exactly. They are not pretentious, not anymore so than a Toto, Journey or Survivor album.

 

I love Slippery When Wet, and New Jersey through to These Days at least attempted to be a little more than mere pomp rock.

 

Bands like Styx, Kansas, Journey and others all "sold out", took the commercial route and made money. Bon Jovi are different, in the sense they started exactly as they meant to go on, which was to make money. Bon Jovi had a dream, and it was to rock, not tell stories. What's the big deal?

 

Forgive me, but who hasn't sold out? And don't say Rush. All of the bands had to evolve in order to stay relevant.

 

I wasn't saying its a bad thing... It's just Bon Jovi never sold out. They sounded like that in the first place.

[goose]

Eric Clapton? Are you kidding? He was the guitar god of the sixties until Jimmy Page came along.

 

Why is he so stinky?

Not stinky, just overrated. He's a brilliant traditional player, with beautiful tone. His material isn't that interesting to me, although I do love this album:

 

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71ZlBXMyGtL._SL1425_.jpg

[Turbine Freight]

^^^^

 

Forever Man

[goose]

Bon Jovi.

 

Pretty boys. Who i think couldn't give 2 shits about the music. one of the most transparent acts i know.

 

Mick

 

That doesn't say much for their fans then.

 

As you know I like The Police. But when I watched their Synchronicity Tour DVD, what turned me off the most, and which stops me from watching it more often, is their audience. Didn't they have any fans over 16? They must have been a modern-day Monkees.

http://k10mpp7ju8lz8v89.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/header-images/music_police_2.jpg

 

 

[goose]

Randy Newman.

 

Guy couldn't write a good song to save his life.

 

sorry any newman fans, lol

 

Mick

So, this is just another uber-contrarian thread? OK.

[goose]

If he is so talentless, how did he make it so big and what sustains him after all these decades?

 

The longer I am here on TRF, the more I become convinced that someone like myself who is not a musician wouldn't know talent if it hit me in the face because if you are not a musician, what point of reference would someone have to gage talent?

Your ears and heart. That's enough.

[goose]

If he is so talentless, how did he make it so big and what sustains him after all these decades?

 

The longer I am here on TRF, the more I become convinced that someone like myself who is not a musician wouldn't know talent if it hit me in the face because if you are not a musician, what point of reference would someone have to gage talent?

Never said he wasn't talented, he's just not good.

 

You have to explain that one. Is he lazy?

He's an amazingly talented songwriter. I don;t like most of his stuff, but he's writes great songs. Should he be the rock god he's been made to be? I don't think so.