goose Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Silliness to suspend him to begin with and I got no skin in this game. Just my opinion...I agree. Who cares if the ball is not inflated all the way. It's a rule I get that. Why not let the teams inflate how they want, and use those balls when they have possession. It gave him no real advantage, other than throwing a ball he likes. We're not talking a lot of PSI dudes. f***ing sillyThe. Game. Was. Not. Even. Close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 From MMQB: Allow QBs to further doctor the ball in their favor. The NFL already agrees with this. Why do you think officials and ball boys go to such lengths to try to keep a football dry during a rainy game? Or, bringing it back to the inflate/deflate issue (or inflate/deflate controversy, since America has decided to be dramatic, if not hysterical, about this), why did the NFL permit quarterbacks to prepare their own balls before games in the first place? http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/08/nfl-inflating-footballs-air-pressure-rule/# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs.Rogers on the issue of overinflation...“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game.Simms pointed out that Rodgers is the exception.“Everybody wants it smaller and soft, so they can dig their fingers into,” Simms said. “[Rodgers is] such a feel thrower. You can tell. The one touchdown he threw down the field to the tight end is such feel; then he flicks it. That shows you he just has great control of it, with his fingers and hand.”On his weekly radio show with ESPN Milwaukee, Rodgers confirmed that he prefers the balls to be overinflated, and that he doesn’t think there should be a maximum air pressure.“It’s not an advantage when you have a football that’s inflated more than average air pressure. We’re not kicking these footballs,” Rodgers said, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com.Look for more anecdotes to emerge regarding the things teams do to make the footballs the way their quarterbacks like them. While on one hand it takes some of the sting out of the possibility that the Patriots broke the rules, on the other hand it’s yet another case where, at a time when everyone may be getting away with it, the Patriots are the ones who got caught.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 We will see. Too bad he had to put a blemish on things. Completely unnecessary. The team least needing to cheat chronically does so. Sad. Good thing a great player is not also above the rules, however. If this was a shit quarterback for the Jags everyone would let him hang. Cheating is cheating. The suspension is essentially a PED type suspension. Very fair. What is your take on MLB pitchers doctoring the ball? The longest suspension is about 10 games or .96% of a season, not 25% of a season.If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs. If a team is caught doing it, then yeah....penalize them. Or change the inflation limits if it's a bad rule or give the balls to only the refs to control once pressurized. But as it stands you're breaking a rule willfully and got caught doing it. Your argument is like saying "lots of people take steroids so why bother enforcing it? If you enforce it with this guy you'll have to enforce it with that guy...and that guy. F@ck it!" :D Lots of people break rules, it's true. Not everyone gets caught doing it. That's also true. If you're not going to enforce your policies or people are going to gripe and piss and moan when you do, you might as well throw them all out. The issue of the PSI of the footballs is so insignificant that the penalty handed down is absolutely inappropriate, disproportional, and downright petty. As so many teams have changed the PSI of their footballs for so long, it's literally an open secret. It didn't affect the Pats-Colts game, nor did it affect any other game. Penalties of this magnitude are for REAL cheating and misconduct.....not for this petty BS. Slap a token fine on the team and be DONE with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They are chronic cheaters and he is guilty. f**k this guy.Spoken like a truly disgruntled Indy fan No. I'm not a fan of cheating. And I'm also not a fan of favoritism, which is the road this could have gone down. My guy Robert Mathis got a four-game suspension himself for taking a fertility drug (and that was no cover...he and his wife were and eventually became with child). It was his fault for not checking to see if that drug showed up on the banned substance list. I don't view that as willfully taking performance enhancing drugs under those circumstances and hoped the league would consider that fact, but it was what it was...and ignorance is no excuse, in his case or any other. You Tommy homers need to take it like a man and quit your crying. If he'd just come out and pleaded ignorance (yeah, I did it...had no idea it was wrong, etc) he'd have gotten a $25K fine and this would be over. But we're talking an organization with a history of cheating and thinking they're above the rules. Once again, they got caught. Deal. :D Really, really sad too. If the Jaguars cheated it would be no more "right"...but it certainly would be more understandable. They suck....they're looking for any port in a storm. The Pats cheating are like the 4.0 valedictorian chick in your high school -- already the smartest person in your school, bar none -- getting caught cheating on the SAT exams. Why?! Ridiculous. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. ;) Notice where all the people with pitchforks are from. Las Vegas? Where am I from again? Born in Vegas, live in Asheville, NC. :DDude I'm right over the mountains in Elizabethton, TN...Come play disc golf in Goatnut. It's aboot an hour away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs. If a team is caught doing it, then yeah....penalize them. Or change the inflation limits if it's a bad rule or give the balls to only the refs to control once pressurized. But as it stands you're breaking a rule willfully and got caught doing it. Your argument is like saying "lots of people take steroids so why bother enforcing it? If you enforce it with this guy you'll have to enforce it with that guy...and that guy. F@ck it!" :D Lots of people break rules, it's true. Not everyone gets caught doing it. That's also true. If you're not going to enforce your policies or people are going to gripe and piss and moan when you do, you might as well throw them all out. The issue of the PSI of the footballs is so insignificant that the penalty handed down is absolutely inappropriate, disproportional, and downright petty. As so many teams have changed the PSI of their footballs for so long, it's literally an open secret. It didn't affect the Pats-Colts game, nor did it affect any other game. Penalties of this magnitude are for REAL cheating and misconduct.....not for this petty BS. Slap a token fine on the team and be DONE with it.The penalty is pretty much what I expected but a tad bit less harsh. The commissioner has backed himself into a corner. He had to come out tough on this so his actions could mirror his words. If the Saints got what they got then this punishment is appropriate for the Pats. It doesn't help that this is the second time being caught cheating either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rick N. Backer Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They are chronic cheaters and he is guilty. f**k this guy.Spoken like a truly disgruntled Indy fan No. I'm not a fan of cheating. And I'm also not a fan of favoritism, which is the road this could have gone down. My guy Robert Mathis got a four-game suspension himself for taking a fertility drug (and that was no cover...he and his wife were and eventually became with child). It was his fault for not checking to see if that drug showed up on the banned substance list. I don't view that as willfully taking performance enhancing drugs under those circumstances and hoped the league would consider that fact, but it was what it was...and ignorance is no excuse, in his case or any other. You Tommy homers need to take it like a man and quit your crying. If he'd just come out and pleaded ignorance (yeah, I did it...had no idea it was wrong, etc) he'd have gotten a $25K fine and this would be over. But we're talking an organization with a history of cheating and thinking they're above the rules. Once again, they got caught. Deal. :D Really, really sad too. If the Jaguars cheated it would be no more "right"...but it certainly would be more understandable. They suck....they're looking for any port in a storm. The Pats cheating are like the 4.0 valedictorian chick in your high school -- already the smartest person in your school, bar none -- getting caught cheating on the SAT exams. Why?! Ridiculous. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. ;) Notice where all the people with pitchforks are from. Las Vegas? Where am I from again? Born in Vegas, live in Asheville, NC. :D "My guy, Robert Mathis . . . " Are you dating him, or are you a fan of his and/or the Colts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken hawk Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Tommy just needs a Spanking ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost In Xanadu Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Tommy just needs a Spanking !done and done... and I mean done!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs. If a team is caught doing it, then yeah....penalize them. Or change the inflation limits if it's a bad rule or give the balls to only the refs to control once pressurized. But as it stands you're breaking a rule willfully and got caught doing it. Your argument is like saying "lots of people take steroids so why bother enforcing it? If you enforce it with this guy you'll have to enforce it with that guy...and that guy. F@ck it!" :D Lots of people break rules, it's true. Not everyone gets caught doing it. That's also true. If you're not going to enforce your policies or people are going to gripe and piss and moan when you do, you might as well throw them all out. And a lot of QBs have come out saying they've never thought of engaging in this type of activity, and never heard of it being done. Taking the balls from the refs, deflating them, and covering it up seems like a fairly unique level of cheating. Brady did all that? Wow. Now I really need to read the whole report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I have a feeling that the suspension will be lowered to two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Whoop dee friggin' doo! Oh wait....punch out yo' wife and get TWO games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Whoop dee friggin' doo!Oh wait....punch out yo' wife and get TWO games!Read nothing into the punishment. Goodell has become so spineless that he sways with public opinion like a leaf in the wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs. If a team is caught doing it, then yeah....penalize them. Or change the inflation limits if it's a bad rule or give the balls to only the refs to control once pressurized. But as it stands you're breaking a rule willfully and got caught doing it. Your argument is like saying "lots of people take steroids so why bother enforcing it? If you enforce it with this guy you'll have to enforce it with that guy...and that guy. F@ck it!" :D Lots of people break rules, it's true. Not everyone gets caught doing it. That's also true. If you're not going to enforce your policies or people are going to gripe and piss and moan when you do, you might as well throw them all out. And a lot of QBs have come out saying they've never thought of engaging in this type of activity, and never heard of it being done. Taking the balls from the refs, deflating them, and covering it up seems like a fairly unique level of cheating. Brady did all that? Wow. Now I really need to read the whole report. I said Brady did all that? Wow. Now you really need to read my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Whoop dee friggin' doo!Oh wait....punch out yo' wife and get TWO games! Or indefinitely. Or a minimum of 6 games. But, whatevs...why do facts matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs. If a team is caught doing it, then yeah....penalize them. Or change the inflation limits if it's a bad rule or give the balls to only the refs to control once pressurized. But as it stands you're breaking a rule willfully and got caught doing it. Your argument is like saying "lots of people take steroids so why bother enforcing it? If you enforce it with this guy you'll have to enforce it with that guy...and that guy. F@ck it!" :D Lots of people break rules, it's true. Not everyone gets caught doing it. That's also true. If you're not going to enforce your policies or people are going to gripe and piss and moan when you do, you might as well throw them all out. And a lot of QBs have come out saying they've never thought of engaging in this type of activity, and never heard of it being done. Taking the balls from the refs, deflating them, and covering it up seems like a fairly unique level of cheating. Brady did all that? Wow. Now I really need to read the whole report. I said Brady did all that? Wow. Now you really need to read my posts. You mentioned that other QBs have said, "they've never thought of engaging in this type of activity," and then go on to describe what "this type of activity" is ("taking balls from the refs . . ."). If you weren't trying to convey the impression that Brady has done those specific things, and it's made all the worse because other QBs don't do it, then you need to work on your writing skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Teams underinflate the footballs, team overinflate them.....blah blah blah.....Aaron Rodgers likes the footballs overinflated a bit. Other QB's like 'em underinflated. Teams have two sets of footballs - one set for the offense, and another set for the kickers (because they like their footballs overinflated). This is not an issue. Penalize the Patriots, then you must penalize every other team that has changed the air pressure of the footballs. If a team is caught doing it, then yeah....penalize them. Or change the inflation limits if it's a bad rule or give the balls to only the refs to control once pressurized. But as it stands you're breaking a rule willfully and got caught doing it. Your argument is like saying "lots of people take steroids so why bother enforcing it? If you enforce it with this guy you'll have to enforce it with that guy...and that guy. F@ck it!" :D Lots of people break rules, it's true. Not everyone gets caught doing it. That's also true. If you're not going to enforce your policies or people are going to gripe and piss and moan when you do, you might as well throw them all out. And a lot of QBs have come out saying they've never thought of engaging in this type of activity, and never heard of it being done. Taking the balls from the refs, deflating them, and covering it up seems like a fairly unique level of cheating. Brady did all that? Wow. Now I really need to read the whole report. I said Brady did all that? Wow. Now you really need to read my posts. You mentioned that other QBs have said, "they've never thought of engaging in this type of activity," and then go on to describe what "this type of activity" is ("taking balls from the refs . . ."). If you weren't trying to convey the impression that Brady has done those specific things, and it's made all the worse because other QBs don't do it, then you need to work on your writing skills. Your deliberate obtuseness gets boring fast. My post is as clear as your desire to misrepresent the facts of the case, as you've done on several occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 BREAKING NEWS: Patriots have just signed unrestricted Free Agent QB - Dom Grady http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag153/Freedom80065/dom_zpsvkontkzb.jpg 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hours of ESPN coverage this morning I conclude 1. minor infraction, 2. there is doubt of involvement, 3. Brady wanted to protect his privacy which I can understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del_Duio Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 BREAKING NEWS: Patriots have just signed unrestricted Free Agent QB - Dom Grady http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag153/Freedom80065/dom_zpsvkontkzb.jpg HAHAHAHAHAHA x 50I wish I could like this picture twice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hours of ESPN coverage this morning I conclude 1. minor infraction, 2. there is doubt of involvement, 3. Brady wanted to protect his privacy which I can understand. 4. Blatant bias against the Patriots by certain NFL teams, the media, and certain groups of fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del_Duio Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hours of ESPN coverage this morning I conclude 1. minor infraction, 2. there is doubt of involvement, 3. Brady wanted to protect his privacy which I can understand. If only he mercilessly beat Gisele on the way to the sidelines during the AFC game, then he'd only get a fine or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost In Xanadu Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 BREAKING NEWS: Patriots have just signed unrestricted Free Agent QB - Dom Grady http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag153/Freedom80065/dom_zpsvkontkzb.jpg HAHAHAHAHAHA x 50I wish I could like this picture twice!I'm liking your post, but it should be counted towards the OP :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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