Why is there so much hate against Snakes & Arrows?

[Rushman14]

This thread makes me want to listen to S&A.

 

Me too maybe I missed something

You didn't. ;)

I thought I was missing something too, so I listened to it over and over and over. Six songs are okay - you can keep the rest.

 

Which songs is it you like?

 

Far Cry

Armor and Sword

Workin Them Angels

Spindrft (thanks to Alex and that most hauntingly beautiful guitar part that begins at 2:39)

Hope

We Hold On

 

For me there are 7 listenable songs

 

Far Cry

Armor & Sword

Workin them angels

Spindrift

The Way the Wind Blow

Malnar

Monkey Business

[Lorraine]

This thread makes me want to listen to S&A.

 

Me too maybe I missed something

You didn't. ;)

I thought I was missing something too, so I listened to it over and over and over. Six songs are okay - you can keep the rest.

 

Which songs is it you like?

 

Far Cry

Armor and Sword

Workin Them Angels

Spindrft (thanks to Alex and that most hauntingly beautiful guitar part that begins at 2:39)

Hope

We Hold On

 

Spindrift? Thats a surprise, most people hate it.

 

So?

 

I added that note after the song to tell you why I do like it.

[Mr. Not]

This thread makes me want to listen to S&A.

 

Me too maybe I missed something

You didn't. ;)

I thought I was missing something too, so I listened to it over and over and over. Six songs are okay - you can keep the rest.

 

Which songs is it you like?

 

Far Cry

Armor and Sword

Workin Them Angels

Spindrft (thanks to Alex and that most hauntingly beautiful guitar part that begins at 2:39)

Hope

We Hold On

 

Spindrift? Thats a surprise, most people hate it.

 

Same goes for We Hold On (which, along with The Larger Bowl, are the two songs of the album I could do without)

[Lorraine]

We Hold On sounds like an old Byrds song to me. That's why I like it.

 

I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. When I genuinely hated the entire album, I got hell. Now I like almost half of it, and I have to explain why I like the songs I do.

 

:wacko:

[Mr. Not]

We Hold On sounds like an old Byrds song to me. That's why I like it.

 

I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. When I genuinely hated the entire album, I got hell. Now I like almost half of it, and I have to explain why I like the songs I do.

 

:wacko:

 

Don't let others' opinions on the album effect or keep you from voicing yours

[bluefox4000]

We Hold On sounds like an old Byrds song to me. That's why I like it.

 

I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. When I genuinely hated the entire album, I got hell. Now I like almost half of it, and I have to explain why I like the songs I do.

 

:wacko:

 

Comes with the territory of message boards..........like like what you like. Lorraine......members be damned ;) I LOVE Snakes. I don't really care what y'all think, lol

 

Mick

Edited January 19, 2015 by bluefox4000

[Lorraine]

I'm going to go listen to The Police. :dweez: :dweez: :dweez:

[TheAccountant]

I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years.

 

Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA. Wayyy better than VT. Better than T4E (a fine album), maybe better than Counter parts (perhaps not - its very close), better than RTB. Presto probably beats it out - but its close.

 

Every song from Far Cry through Hope is very good. Well Spindthrift is nothing special.

 

Faithless is ok (at best), but nothing more. Than their are a bunch of week songs before the album closes out with the strong "We Hold On".

 

To answer the OP's question I would guess that the dislike comes from sever reasons:

 

1. Some of the songs do sound a bit similar - which is mostly fine with me.

 

2. Some of the songs are somewhat negative.

 

3. Faithless. The message may turn some off.

 

4. Three instrumentals. That may turn some off. It does not bother me (although I do not like Mal Nar) but it may turn some off.

 

5. When you combine the above 4 reasons with the fact that it a fairly long album can see how some might not like it. Frankly, if you removed Spindthrift, put We Hold On in it place and removed Faithless and every other song after it the album would not lose much of anything.

Edited January 19, 2015 by TheAccountant

[troutman]

This thread makes me want to listen to S&A.

 

Me too maybe I missed something

You didn't. ;)

I thought I was missing something too, so I listened to it over and over and over. Six songs are okay - you can keep the rest.

 

Which songs is it you like?

 

Far Cry

Armor and Sword

Workin Them Angels

Spindrft (thanks to Alex and that most hauntingly beautiful guitar part that begins at 2:39)

Hope

We Hold On

 

Spindrift? Thats a surprise, most people hate it.

 

It kicks a**!! :haz:

[bluefox4000]

This thread makes me want to listen to S&A.

 

Me too maybe I missed something

You didn't. ;)

I thought I was missing something too, so I listened to it over and over and over. Six songs are okay - you can keep the rest.

 

Which songs is it you like?

 

Far Cry

Armor and Sword

Workin Them Angels

Spindrft (thanks to Alex and that most hauntingly beautiful guitar part that begins at 2:39)

Hope

We Hold On

 

Spindrift? Thats a surprise, most people hate it.

 

It kicks a**!! :haz:

 

the whole beginning build up alone is awesome.

 

Mick

[troutman]

Regardless if it's Rush or any other band,

 

If I don't like a certain tune I move on. There is nothing you can do about it. It's music and that's the beauty of it all. :D

[hammerofthor]

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

[troutman]

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

 

Plus the instrumentals! :haz:

[Lorraine]

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

 

You love that part too? That makes the song.

[toymaker]

I didn't think the songs are so much about "atheisim" as they are about people pushing their beliefs on others. I don't think Peart really gives a rat's patoot what people believe, as long as they don't try to judge or kill others for not believing or having different beliefs. Now, if he expresses this notion, is he "pushing his beliefs on us"? Isn't just about any socially-minded lyric expressing a point of view? Being critical of someone's actions is much preferable to being blindly hateful because someone believes something different. People have accused Peart of "hating religion" or "hating religious people" etc. That in itself seems to be a judgmental, kind of hateful thing to say. It's my feeling that Peart doesn't hate those people (nor does he hate fans, in my view), but he is confused and saddened and maybe sometimes annoyed when those people act in hurtful ways. I don't know, it seems kind of like calling someone a bigot because he's trying to expose other people as bigots.

 

I find the lyrics thoughtful, but I would say that about any written message that makes me think about the issues, whether I agree wholeheartedly with the message or not.

[Lorraine]

------------------- Edited January 19, 2015 by Lorraine

[EagleMoon]

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

 

You love that part too? That makes the song.

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

 

You love that part too? That makes the song.

 

I don't mind that part, but it doesn't fit the rest of the song, which is why I don't like the song. It's too conflabulated. :D

[Lorraine]

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

 

You love that part too? That makes the song.

I think Spindrift is about the only saving grace on the album. The "closer to you" part is one of their finer moments in the last shitload of years.

 

You love that part too? That makes the song.

 

I don't mind that part, but it doesn't fit the rest of the song, which is why I don't like the song. It's too conflabulated. :D

You're right. It doesn't. That's why it saves the song. :laughing guy:

[EagleMoon]

I didn't think the songs are so much about "atheisim" as they are about people pushing their beliefs on others. I don't think Peart really gives a rat's patoot what people believe, as long as they don't try to judge or kill others for not believing or having different beliefs. Now, if he expresses this notion, is he "pushing his beliefs on us"? Isn't just about any socially-minded lyric expressing a point of view? Being critical of someone's actions is much preferable to being blindly hateful because someone believes something different. People have accused Peart of "hating religion" or "hating religious people" etc. That in itself seems to be a judgmental, kind of hateful thing to say. It's my feeling that Peart doesn't hate those people (nor does he hate fans, in my view), but he is confused and saddened and maybe sometimes annoyed when those people act in hurtful ways. I don't know, it seems kind of like calling someone a bigot because he's trying to expose other people as bigots.

 

I find the lyrics thoughtful, but I would say that about any written message that makes me think about the issues, whether I agree wholeheartedly with the message or not.

 

I agree. I don't see the lyrics as pro-atheism or anti-Christian or whatever, but just the social and personal commentary on others pushing them on us.

[laughedatbytime]

I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years.

 

Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA.

If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable.

 

The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A.

[EagleMoon]

I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years.

 

Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA.

If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable.

 

The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A.

 

But WHY do you think they're better?

[bluefox4000]

I hear CA and it's awful save for 3 tracks. So we can argue all day it's all taste.

 

Mick

Edited January 20, 2015 by bluefox4000

[Lorraine]

Have anyone here aside from myself ever wondered what it is about songs that make certain people like them and others dislike them?

 

I often wondered if there is anything in common with all the songs I like the best - a pattern of notes together - stuff like that.

 

One time on here I think we had a thread about listing your ten favorite Rush songs. I don't think any two lists matched or, if they happened to, the songs weren't in the same order.

 

Musical preference and taste is amazingly a very individual thing.

[laughedatbytime]

I happen to think S & A is one of Rush's best works in a number of years.

 

Better than CA because, if nothing else, the mixing is far superior. After the horrible mixing on VT they got right with S & A and then went backwards on CA.

If the songs suck I don't care if it was done in Doubly, it's unlistenable.

 

The songs on CA are great to outstanding, the songs on S&A are, let's just say, not. That's why CA is infinitely better than S&A.

 

But WHY do you think they're better?

They're heavier (in the non dirge like sense). Not plodding. More metal yet more melodic. Lyrics are less preachy. They're interesting (well, maybe not Caravan's). I don't even mind the lyrics to BU2B, and not just because it could be just as easily read as a screed against socialist governments.

 

Headlong Flight and The Anarchist are masterpieces...and the Garden is the most poignant thing Rush has ever written and beautiful musically.

[bluefox4000]

Have anyone here aside from myself ever wondered what it is about songs that make certain people like them and others dislike them?

 

I often wondered if there is anything in common with all the songs I like the best - a pattern of notes together - stuff like that.

 

One time on here I think we had a thread about listing your ten favorite Rush songs. I don't think any two lists matched or, if they happened to, the songs weren't in the same order.

 

Musical preference and taste is amazingly a very individual thing.

 

It's fascinating. While endlessly frustrating, lol

 

Mick