shaun3701 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostworks Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 08:43 PM)QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. he used just a single word but that doesn't mean he was off the mark I can think of no circumstance in my 30 years of listening where a song lyric 'bothered' me philosophically, religiously, politically or otherwise some of my favorite songs advocate drug use, violence and government overthrow, describe illegal sex acts and detail the horrors organized religions visit upon the human race some of my other favorite songs decry drug use, preach peace, are patriotic and nationalistic, speak of love and respect and praise Jah in the highest I have profoundly disagreed with many of the philosophies contained in these lyrics... but I've never been bothered by them or let their content stop me from thoroughly enjoying them I'm not sure how anyone could? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun3701 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jan 26 2011, 09:47 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 08:43 PM)QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. he used just a single word but that doesn't mean he was off the mark I can think of no circumstance in my 30 years of listening where a song lyric 'bothered' me philosophically, religiously, politically or otherwise some of my favorite songs advocate drug use, violence and government overthrow, describe illegal sex acts and detail the horrors organized religions visit upon the human race some of my other favorite songs decry drug use, preach peace, are patriotic and nationalistic, speak of love and respect and praise Jah in the highest I have profoundly disagreed with many of the philosophies contained in these lyrics... but I've never been bothered by them or let their content stop me from thoroughly enjoying them I'm not sure how anyone could? oh I'm not letting it stop me from enjoying the music... I would just PREFER he write about something else. He could write a song that says "F**k Christian hypocrites" and I'd probably still listen to it if the music was good lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (usb_connector @ Jan 26 2011, 08:18 PM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 06:52 PM) QUOTE (Running Rebel @ Jan 26 2011, 06:26 PM)http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/yangster1020/sppcoverlowerqual.jpg To quote Brian from The Family Guy, "I would wreck that chick." ...with a shovel... Murder isn't exactly what I had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jan 26 2011, 07:47 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 08:43 PM)QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. he used just a single word but that doesn't mean he was off the mark I can think of no circumstance in my 30 years of listening where a song lyric 'bothered' me philosophically, religiously, politically or otherwise some of my favorite songs advocate drug use, violence and government overthrow, describe illegal sex acts and detail the horrors organized religions visit upon the human race some of my other favorite songs decry drug use, preach peace, are patriotic and nationalistic, speak of love and respect and praise Jah in the highest I have profoundly disagreed with many of the philosophies contained in these lyrics... but I've never been bothered by them or let their content stop me from thoroughly enjoying them I'm not sure how anyone could? maybe because we're different people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 07:26 PM)QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. I get the feeling you walk around with a grimace on your face like Alex in your avatar. I hereby dub thee "Grimace" http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__eGCswo6Fhw/SRsokcA-jHI/AAAAAAAACWU/17BQ3xM9gic/s400/Grimace.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HowItIs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 08:00 PM)QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 07:26 PM)QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. I get the feeling you walk around with a grimace on your face like Alex in your avatar. I hereby dub thee "Grimace" http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__eGCswo6Fhw/SRsokcA-jHI/AAAAAAAACWU/17BQ3xM9gic/s400/Grimace.jpg Yeah. That's constructive. Guess I'm not done yet... And, yes, insecurity does figure into some folks' problem with other religions or non-religion. It's a part of human nature to want to be right. In some cases, people think along the lines of "if more people believe like I do, it must make me right." Consequently, if they run into someone who doesn't believe like they do, it can threaten their being right. It doesn't work that way, of course. Faith is not a zero sum game. Your religion isn't any more right or wrong if 1 billion people believe like you or if none do. I'm not saying that this is what Goober or anyone else is doing here but it IS a valid observation. Calling someone names because they made a valid point will not erase its validity. Besides, it makes you look childish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 05:43 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. Why are you calling Goobs a ninja? Enlightened? You could use a better word than that in this situation, please refer to a dictionary. (see page 5 in this thread ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jan 26 2011, 11:28 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 05:43 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. Why are you calling Goobs a ninja? Ah, but goobs IS a ninja. It's a very well-kept secret that Gary's body is a lethal weapon. The mild-mannered erstwhile hippie radio show host thing is just a front to fool the enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappa_da_bass Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 It's funny how the people making very poor points keep up the frequent posting with name-calling, "funny" pictures, and mindless banter, while the people making good points tend to sit back and laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thing2jordan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 10:44 PM) It's funny how the people making very poor points keep up the frequent posting with name-calling, "funny" pictures, and mindless banter, while the people making good points tend to sit back and laugh. Question: Why are you still here? Isn't it beneath you to let us lesser mortals bask in your glow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun3701 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 10:44 PM) It's funny how the people making very poor points keep up the frequent posting with name-calling, "funny" pictures, and mindless banter, while the people making good points tend to sit back and laugh. what's that Grimace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 07:44 PM) It's funny how the people making very poor points keep up the frequent posting with name-calling, "funny" pictures, and mindless banter, while the people making good points tend to sit back and laugh. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j-5leje8ehE/TSCfese48mI/AAAAAAAAFnA/zlw3BKVnW1E/s1600/u_mad.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 26 2011, 10:22 PM)QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 08:00 PM)QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 07:26 PM)QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. I get the feeling you walk around with a grimace on your face like Alex in your avatar. I hereby dub thee "Grimace" http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__eGCswo6Fhw/SRsokcA-jHI/AAAAAAAACWU/17BQ3xM9gic/s400/Grimace.jpg Yeah. That's constructive. Guess I'm not done yet... And, yes, insecurity does figure into some folks' problem with other religions or non-religion. It's a part of human nature to want to be right. In some cases, people think along the lines of "if more people believe like I do, it must make me right." Consequently, if they run into someone who doesn't believe like they do, it can threaten their being right. It doesn't work that way, of course. Faith is not a zero sum game. Your religion isn't any more right or wrong if 1 billion people believe like you or if none do. I'm not saying that this is what Goober or anyone else is doing here but it IS a valid observation. Calling someone names because they made a valid point will not erase its validity. Besides, it makes you look childish http://static.stuff.co.nz/1259620638/955/3113955.jpg Oh no! I looked childish? How will I go on? I'll see your and raise you a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Let's just hope and pray. "Sorry Neil" That they have upbeat tunes on the next album!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (Mara @ Jan 26 2011, 08:36 PM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jan 26 2011, 11:28 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 05:43 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM) QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Jan 26 2011, 05:26 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM) if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? Insecurity. ok, so now we're not terrified or unintelligent, we're just insecure. or are we still unintelligent and insecure? or is it all three? please help me keep it straight. we can't possibly understand what he's talking about, he's much more enlightened, educated and intelligent than we will ever be. Why are you calling Goobs a ninja? Ah, but goobs IS a ninja. It's a very well-kept secret that Gary's body is a lethal weapon. The mild-mannered erstwhile hippie radio show host thing is just a front to fool the enemies. shhhhhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Lang Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 07:22 PM)QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 01:28 PM) QUOTE (GeddysMullet @ Jan 26 2011, 03:26 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 04:18 PM) let me put it this way... Neil preaching about his lack of faith is just as bad if not worse than the fanatical Christians who scream at people telling them they're going to hell. He's on the other end of the spectrum, but he's doing the exact same thing. Both sides are annoying. This is a ridiculous statement. Fanatical Christians who scream about everyone going to Hell are judging others. Neil is expressing his personal feelings, without trying to control or dictate anyone else's values or behaviour. There is a HUGE difference between telling someone "You are going to hell unless you believe what I believe!" and telling someone "Here is what I believe, take it or leave it." he's telling people "if you believe in God, you're a deluded moron". Pretty much the same thing. I pretty much get this feeling as well. For those who think we're just deluded, look at this way: a LOT of people are bothered by Faithless and BU2B. if the lyrics were truly benign, why is it bothering so many people? maybe there is something to it. Maybe I'm just interpreting in a way that some of you aren't, but I'm not the only one, obviously. Can anyone who feels this way quote specifically lines in which he's saying that? I don't see it anywhere in BU2B or Faithless. In BU2B's case, religion bashing is not the point of the song at all. All he's saying is think for yourself and make your own choice instead of blindly accepting any belief or buying what you're sold. I can hardly think of anything more life affirming than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog guy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I've always interpreted Neil as not necessarily anti-religion, but rather against the idea of exploiting religion, either for personal gain, political clout, or as a means to oppress. One must admit that this kind of thing is rampant in the world. Armor and Sword always comes to mind. Spirituality should be your shield, not your weapon. That's the way I've always interpreted it, anyway. I certainly liked the songs about suburban alienation and artistic integrity much better... those things speak to me the most, but I'm not gonna tell Neil what to write about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Tidewater Surge Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (analog guy @ Jan 27 2011, 12:12 AM) I've always interpreted Neil as not necessarily anti-religion, but rather against the idea of exploiting religion, either for personal gain, political clout, or as a means to oppress. One must admit that this kind of thing is rampant in the world. Armor and Sword always comes to mind. Spirituality should be your shield, not your weapon. That's the way I've always interpreted it, anyway. I certainly liked the songs about suburban alienation and artistic integrity much better... those things speak to me the most, but I'm not gonna tell Neil what to write about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW84 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (GeminiRising79 @ Jan 25 2011, 09:32 AM) I strongly believe Rush needs to reconfigure their system of producing songs in terms of musical style and lyrical content. Enough has been said about the current, long-term tangent they've been on in both respects. I can't see the group deviating to any significant degree from this path they're on. What concerns me here is- and this is common knowledge of course- as we age as humans, we become less and less inclined to change our established ways and more inclined to stay in the comfort zone of familiarity. Is this where Rush has arrived and are taking root? What are your opinions in this regard to Rush? in b4 "Were lucky they're playing anything" (i.e., I'm happy with mediocrity because I have no standards, or, I'll take dung on a platter as long as its Rush" X2 http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5237/facepalmnv.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Slipperman Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 26 2011, 05:22 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 01:28 PM) QUOTE (GeddysMullet @ Jan 26 2011, 03:26 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jan 26 2011, 04:18 PM) let me put it this way... Neil preaching about his lack of faith is just as bad if not worse than the fanatical Christians who scream at people telling them they're going to hell. He's on the other end of the spectrum, but he's doing the exact same thing. Both sides are annoying. This is a ridiculous statement. Fanatical Christians who scream about everyone going to Hell are judging others. Neil is expressing his personal feelings, without trying to control or dictate anyone else's values or behaviour. There is a HUGE difference between telling someone "You are going to hell unless you believe what I believe!" and telling someone "Here is what I believe, take it or leave it." he's telling people "if you believe in God, you're a deluded moron". Pretty much the same thing. I pretty much get this feeling as well. Really, Goobs? This surprises me, honestly. Maybe this is better saved for a private convo but I would like to hear how you get this interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagegrace26 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Maybe because there's some truth to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 09:24 PM)QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 26 2011, 10:22 PM)QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 08:00 PM) I get the feeling you walk around with a grimace on your face like Alex in your avatar. I hereby dub thee "Grimace" http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__eGCswo6Fhw/SRsokcA-jHI/AAAAAAAACWU/17BQ3xM9gic/s400/Grimace.jpg Yeah. That's constructive. Guess I'm not done yet... And, yes, insecurity does figure into some folks' problem with other religions or non-religion. It's a part of human nature to want to be right. In some cases, people think along the lines of "if more people believe like I do, it must make me right." Consequently, if they run into someone who doesn't believe like they do, it can threaten their being right. It doesn't work that way, of course. Faith is not a zero sum game. Your religion isn't any more right or wrong if 1 billion people believe like you or if none do. I'm not saying that this is what Goober or anyone else is doing here but it IS a valid observation. Calling someone names because they made a valid point will not erase its validity. Besides, it makes you look childish http://static.stuff.co.nz/1259620638/955/3113955.jpg Oh no! I looked childish? How will I go on? I'll see your and raise you a Oh bully for you - you posted TWO pictures. And a smilie. Well done. http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/smilies/rolleyes.gif Oh wait.... I can post a picture, too! http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/LOLZ/funny-pictures-farting-kitten.jpg Trying to make a reasonable point with this sort of immaturity is futile. Have fun, kids. http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/smilies/10_4_4v.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 27 2011, 12:20 AM) QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 09:24 PM)QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 26 2011, 10:22 PM)QUOTE (theredtamasrule @ Jan 26 2011, 08:00 PM) I get the feeling you walk around with a grimace on your face like Alex in your avatar. I hereby dub thee "Grimace" http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__eGCswo6Fhw/SRsokcA-jHI/AAAAAAAACWU/17BQ3xM9gic/s400/Grimace.jpg Yeah. That's constructive. Guess I'm not done yet... And, yes, insecurity does figure into some folks' problem with other religions or non-religion. It's a part of human nature to want to be right. In some cases, people think along the lines of "if more people believe like I do, it must make me right." Consequently, if they run into someone who doesn't believe like they do, it can threaten their being right. It doesn't work that way, of course. Faith is not a zero sum game. Your religion isn't any more right or wrong if 1 billion people believe like you or if none do. I'm not saying that this is what Goober or anyone else is doing here but it IS a valid observation. Calling someone names because they made a valid point will not erase its validity. Besides, it makes you look childish http://static.stuff.co.nz/1259620638/955/3113955.jpg Oh no! I looked childish? How will I go on? I'll see your and raise you a Oh bully for you - you posted TWO pictures. And a smilie. Well done. http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/smilies/rolleyes.gif Oh wait.... I can post a picture, too! http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/LOLZ/funny-pictures-farting-kitten.jpg Trying to make a reasonable point with this sort of immaturity is futile. Have fun, kids. http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/smilies/10_4_4v.gif What's with people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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