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7 hours ago, hgwy407 said:

Does anyone think HS would intentionally leave out the word "Under" from the title? Maybe my age is showing and I have forgotten something about the title for that omission to make sense.

 

It's not Hugh Syme, though; it's some rando making fan art of what it "could" be. 

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On 5/12/2024 at 10:56 AM, Holdyourfireal said:

This is what Robby Adams said about the image yesterday that an Admin posted on the Different Stages of Rush FB group. Today, when the trickery was exposed, he berated me in PMs and blocked me from the group.

 

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Thanks for the reminder of why I avoid social media.

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I attended both shows back in September of '84. Floor seats for both (Row 21 and Row 33 iirc) and I'll just say that cameras were there moving about for both nights. Since they were using video tape not film, I can't imagine they would be paying crew to be there and not be rolling tape. I can't remember where I read this but I have a memory of the format was "M" video tape - I hope I'm wrong because if no one transferred all the recordings to other formats over the years and then eventually digitizing the material, the odds of surviving M machines are going to be long. 

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7 hours ago, taurus said:

I attended both shows back in September of '84. Floor seats for both (Row 21 and Row 33 iirc) and I'll just say that cameras were there moving about for both nights. Since they were using video tape not film, I can't imagine they would be paying crew to be there and not be rolling tape. I can't remember where I read this but I have a memory of the format was "M" video tape - I hope I'm wrong because if no one transferred all the recordings to other formats over the years and then eventually digitizing the material, the odds of surviving M machines are going to be long. 

That's really cool that you were there, I obsessed over that video in the 80s more than any other. I had to buy replacements more than once. But I don't think anyone doubts that it was all filmed, it's not like they edit these things in real time. But the question is whether any remaining footage (for any of those 80s shows) that was edited out is still in usable condition (as you said) or can even be found. As I've said before, the fact that the overwhelmingly vast majority of VHS era concert videos from all kinds of bands that have been re-issued on DVD and Blu-ray are the exact same content that was originally released tells me that something about the process back then has led to this situation.

 

Clearly no one was planning for 40th anniversary box sets at the time, it was just something done in the moment and in all likelihood the record companies were far more involved back then than later on. My first guess is that for most of these old shows whatever wasn't used was simply trashed. Second most likely thing is that whatever wasn't trashed was left to degrade to the point it can't be re-integrated (at least within reasonable cost), and thirdly that the footage (and/or companion audio) simply gets lost. 

 

I have no doubt that with Rush's modern concert videos with their direct involvement and in-house resources and Geddy's own brother directly involved they could lay their hands on all the raw footage from all filmed shows the last 20-25 years, but I'll bet (and I'm just guessing) that in the 80s the record company hired a production company, and all raw footage was handed over to them to do the work and once it was completed and approved anything left over was forgotten about for decades. The people doing it were not "Rush people", they were just neutral professionals racing to complete projects to get to the next one. And the band would not have been thinking about it, they would have been completing Power Windows and planning the tour just like every other album and tour cycle. 

 

I would kill for more of any of those 80s shows, but I'll remain very pessimistic until there's solid news otherwise. The fact that there was not even a hint of more ESL footage during the MP40 release is telling. But hey, I would LOVE to be proven wrong. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, taurus said:

I attended both shows back in September of '84. Floor seats for both (Row 21 and Row 33 iirc) and I'll just say that cameras were there moving about for both nights. Since they were using video tape not film, I can't imagine they would be paying crew to be there and not be rolling tape. I can't remember where I read this but I have a memory of the format was "M" video tape - I hope I'm wrong because if no one transferred all the recordings to other formats over the years and then eventually digitizing the material, the odds of surviving M machines are going to be long. 

 

https://bravewords.com/news/rush-producer-director-talks-about-upcoming-dvds

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1 hour ago, Holdyourfireal said:

There is also NO supporting evidence in nearly 20 years that has come out about this claim from ANYONE. The video posted recently that the Rush stuff that has been cataloged does not even mention anything about any live material.

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9 hours ago, taurus said:

I attended both shows back in September of '84. Floor seats for both (Row 21 and Row 33 iirc) and I'll just say that cameras were there moving about for both nights. Since they were using video tape not film, I can't imagine they would be paying crew to be there and not be rolling tape. I can't remember where I read this but I have a memory of the format was "M" video tape - I hope I'm wrong because if no one transferred all the recordings to other formats over the years and then eventually digitizing the material, the odds of surviving M machines are going to be long. 

Perhaps if we're lucky, we'll get the alternate audio.

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Yeah, I think we're all pretty aware of that interview so there's no point in me repeating too much about my concerns. It's entirely possible that's genuine and I sure hope it is. That was almost 20 years ago and no one else in the camp has ever made reference to it. Apart from my concerns about Maher himself (because it's been so long ago I can't remember details but there were other articles by him that seemed utterly made up, and I don't think All Headline News was really an entity, it was just his creation, right?), there's just other stuff in there that doesn't smell right. I'll see if I can find some of the old articles I saved because most of them are not on the internet any longer and I don't want to casually accuse anyone without something to back it up. 

 

But stuff like this from that article... : 

 

"We have the entire Rush catalog in our hands. Not just the studio material they have released on albums, but every single demo or song that has not been released as well."

 

Either everyone in the band has consistently blatantly lied for decades or else I can't imagine them being very happy with the guy they put in charge of their catalog for saying that publicly. And again, no one has ever picked up on that. 

 

And just the very idea that they say they were waiting for Blu-ray technology to release the extra footage makes no sense to me. Does it to anyone else? The length of the GUP shows that tour was about an hour and forty minutes, and it was shot on videotape. What would be the point or benefit?

 

"But down the road when Blue-Ray technology becomes more popular and we are able to extend things out to levels beyond where we are at currently...we can then go back and release the found footage that was not on the original release."

 

Admittedly, using actual quotes from a named source sure makes it seem genuine, and I can't know that it's not, I hope it is. But my skepticism remains high until/unless we see something. It's also entirely possible that it could be true but also not ultimately result in anything because when they went through it they either couldn't find the audio or else it was all in bad condition as we've discussed. If there was something really there I just find it hard to believe it's never come up again in 20 years. I just don't want to get my hopes up for some fantasy. 

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20 minutes ago, ytserush said:

There is also NO supporting evidence in nearly 20 years that has come out about this claim from ANYONE. The video posted recently that the Rush stuff that has been cataloged does not even mention anything about any live material.

 

I'm not sure which video you're referring to but in fairness the old Fogolabs website did clearly state early on that they had catalogued the complete recordings of Rush including studio and live stuff. It was on their front page for a long time 20 years ago. I'm not convinced they don't have the GUP stuff, but I'm also not convinced they do or that it's usable either. 

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Here was a typical "All Headline News" article with Maher from that era. There were tons like this: 

 

 

 

According to All Headline News, RUSH have set a November 15 release date for their "R:30 - Rush Live In Frankfurt" DVD. The disc will feature a full performance of the German show during the band's 30th Anniversary Tour in 2004. It will also include a full-length documentary on the history of RUSH that has a running time of just over one hour and exclusive lost live footage of the band from the early 1980s.

 

RUSH: 'R:30' DVD To Surface In November - BLABBERMOUTH.NET

 

I'd have to look for it but his early advance preview of the Rio DVD listed all sorts of stuff that would be on it that was totally unrelated to what ended up there. He's just not reliable at all. 

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I decided to look around some but the problem is that so many of the platforms that used to host Maher discussions 20-25 years ago are just simply gone, like the Alt.Rush fan group used in the 90s and the more recent Counterparts messageboard (at least I couldn't find it). But unfortunately for him, I did find my old posts where I copied and pasted a ton of stuff from those sites many years ago about Maher and... yeah, I wouldn't believe a word he's said. And there's much worse than this I could add.

 

Here's a couple samples from the Counterparts board that I copied where they discussed and bitched about him:

 

- "Doug also sent me an interview he supposedly did with Alex during the R30 tour, exclusively for CP. The interview turned out to be a complete fake. Doug works as a freelance journalist, and made up the entire thing.

 

- "My own experience of Doug is minor but goes back to the R30 tour...show 2 in Charlotte. We were both "apparently"...at least I WAS...listening to soundcheck and he called in to have someone post bullshit here about them soundchecking a song I know they didn't. He then later at the end of the show....(he was in the front row..I was in the third)....claimed to talk to Howard and get all these "facts" to post to us which were bullshit because when the show ended he was directly in front of me walking STRAIGHT out of the venue at the point of no return gates...you know the ones that say "no readmittance".

 

 

And a sample from the Alt Rush forum from the 90s:

 

Yeah, what the hell ever happened to that guy? Kinda disappeared after all the bullshit that he let flow.

Oh well"

 

- "Judging from the laughably inept writing and the trite "Neil owes me" fanboi-ism, I'd guess this is the work of Doug Maher.

 

Same irrelevant asshole who "invented" stories about the band and that once called Neils wife a "cash whore"

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5 hours ago, ytserush said:

There is also NO supporting evidence in nearly 20 years that has come out about this claim from ANYONE. The video posted recently that the Rush stuff that has been cataloged does not even mention anything about any live material.

 

That article was from 2005 - IF he relayed accurate information, they have taken their sweet ass time revealing this material. Same like the Fogo Labs stuff. We ain't getting any younger folks

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