toymaker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I'm not sure if this can be done. I'm not a huge fan of these records: Presto, Roll the Bones, and Test for Echo. There are a couple other albums that I'm not wild about, either, but these three . . . man. Let's say you can take the best of each and make one good Rush album. 45-50 minutes. Let's say 8-9 songs. What track order? I'm talking about a really strong, rocking (or at least well-crafted), organic sounding album. Nothing too poppy or wimpy . . . It ain't going to be Permanent Waves, but what's the very best Rush album we could make with this stuff? Show Don't Tell Dreamline Test for EchoChain Lightning Bravado DrivenThe Pass Roll the Bones Half the WorldWar Paint Face Up The Color of RightScars Where's My Thing Time and MotionPresto The Big Wheel TotemSuperconductor Heresy Dog YearsAnagram Ghost of a Chance VirtualityRed Tide Neurotica ResistHand Over Fist You Bet Your Life LimboAvailable Light Carve Away the Stone Edited January 17, 2018 by toymaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 DreamlineDrivenGhost of a ChanceBravado Show Don't TellThe Color of RightWhere's My ThingRed Tide Not sure about The Pass and Time and Motion . . . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test. 1. Dreamline2. Driven3. Time and Motion4. The Main Monkey Business5. The Way the Wind Blows6. Malignant Narcissism7. Bravado8. Test for Echo9. Where’s My Thing The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine. Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens. Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate. I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that. The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works. Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose. This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :) Cool exercise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 DreamlineDrivenGhost of a ChanceBravado Show Don't TellThe Color of RightWhere's My ThingRed Tide Not sure about The Pass and Time and Motion . . . Hey, your first two are the same as mine! :cheers: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 DrivenBravadoRoll the BonesAvailable Light DreamlineThe PassChain LightningGhost of a ChanceTest for Echo Thought about it like album sides. Each side gets a heavier TFE song and I mixed the slower songs in so it doesn't drag. TFE as the last track might seem odd, but I don't like when albums end with slow songs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would take some songs from these 3 (for me weak) Rush albums: Roll the Bones, Test for Echo and Vapor Trails. Bravado Dreamline Ghost of a Chance Driven Test for Echo Ghost Rider Earthshine Secret Touch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 DrivenBravadoRoll the BonesAvailable Light DreamlineThe PassChain LightningGhost of a ChanceTest for Echo Thought about it like album sides. Each side gets a heavier TFE song and I mixed the slower songs in so it doesn't drag. TFE as the last track might seem odd, but I don't like when albums end with slow songs. Dig it, but I could never warm up to Chain Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would take some songs from these 3 (for me weak) Rush albums: Roll the Bones, Test for Echo and Vapor Trails. BravadoDreamlineGhost of a ChanceDriven Test for EchoGhost RiderEarthshineSecret Touch I'd have to have Ceiling Unlimited in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 This is like the question of 'tell me 3 redeeming things about your adversary'. Sorry, but shit is shit. even if it's less smelly, it's still shit. http://www.humoar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/sht-getting-out-of-hand.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think every album has a couple of things that are worthwhile. Dreamline is a great song, and so is Driven. Even if they're not the greatest Rush tunes, I'm just interested in seeing what people think the "best possible" album would be if we mined from the three albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disk98 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Okay, my least favorite are Caress of Steel, Test for Echo, and the debut. This shouldn’t be too hard. SIDE ONE Bastille DayDrivenIn the MoodResistLakeside Park SIDE TWO Finding My WayTest for ExhoWhat You’re DoingWorking Man Well, it’s not an album I’d listen to often, but I guess it’s not that bad. Edited January 17, 2018 by Disk98 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Show Don't Tell - 5:00 Ghost of a Chance - 5:19Time and Motion - 5:56The Pass - 4:51Driven - 4:27 Presto - 5:46T4E - 5:55 Dreamline - 4:36 I think that's a pretty respectable mix of songs...I'd buy that album. A hair over 41 minutes. Edited January 17, 2018 by theredtamasrule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutlefan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) My bottom three are Power Windows, Presto and RTB (for some reason I dislike HYF less; it is a puzzlement to me). My least "unfavorites" (1984 speak) tacks from each... Actually, listening to the virtual album on You Tube, I think it's pretty good; I'm pleasantly surprised; gave me a better appreciation of these tracks. I had to add a 10th track -- Grand Designs -- to even out the sides time-wise. Side 1 (running time 25:40)DreamlineBravadoThe PassMiddletown DreamsMarathon Side 2 (running time 26:53)Grand DesignsWar PaintGhost of a ChanceMystic RhythmsAvailable Light Edited January 17, 2018 by Rutlefan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnalogRich Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Here's my 3 bad albums HYF, Presto & RTB's DreamlineTurn The PageThe PassShow Don't TellGhost of a Chance Force TenThe PassBravadoWhere's My ThingAvailable Light 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 My bottom three are RTB, CP, and FBN, so... Side 1: 24.9 minutes AnthemFly By NightCut To The ChaseRoll The BonesWhere's My Thing?Beneath Between and Behind Side 2: 23 minutes DreamlineNobody's HeroDouble AgentBy-Tor And The Snowdog About 48 minutes, a little long for the LP era standards, but perfect length by today's standards. 10 songs too, perfectly digestible amount. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Shitty albums include: Presto, Snakes, and probably RTB Here's the playlist side 1 DreamlineFar CryRoll the BonesMalignant NarcissismDreamline (live) Far Cry (live)Show Don't TellThe Main Monkey BusinessInterlude by special guest Monty Python--The Sound of John Denver being StrangledDreamline (extended dance version) I wouldn't buy it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test. 1. Dreamline2. Driven3. Time and Motion4. The Main Monkey Business5. The Way the Wind Blows6. Malignant Narcissism7. Bravado8. Test for Echo9. Where’s My Thing The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine. Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works. Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose. This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :) Cool exercise. It's all about the order. One thing a few of Rush's albums could learn a lesson or two about it flow. Of course, I've heard many worse cases of bad flow from other bands, but it ain't easy! Openers should set the tone for the general idea of what's to come, and often they want to get your blood pumping too. Closers should have some sense of finality about them, if not a bit of drama to close things off, and tracks need to compliment each other with grace so every transition feels intentional and highlights the two songs forming it nicely. These are of course just guidelines more than rules, as many a great album has been made by breaking a few of them (or a lot of them), but it's best to learn them and use them before you go around toying with them or ignoring them! Sorry for the rambling, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test. 1. Dreamline2. Driven3. Time and Motion4. The Main Monkey Business5. The Way the Wind Blows6. Malignant Narcissism7. Bravado8. Test for Echo9. Where’s My Thing The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine. Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works. Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose. This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :) Cool exercise. It's all about the order. One thing a few of Rush's albums could learn a lesson or two about it flow. Of course, I've heard many worse cases of bad flow from other bands, but it ain't easy! Openers should set the tone for the general idea of what's to come, and often they want to get your blood pumping too. Closers should have some sense of finality about them, if not a bit of drama to close things off, and tracks need to compliment each other with grace so every transition feels intentional and highlights the two songs forming it nicely. These are of course just guidelines more than rules, as many a great album has been made by breaking a few of them (or a lot of them), but it's best to learn them and use them before you go around toying with them or ignoring them! Sorry for the rambling, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the order.:goodone: I've posted several times regarding track order, specifically in reference to Clockwork Angels. A re-ordering, with a bit of trimming, made it a great album for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test. 1. Dreamline2. Driven3. Time and Motion4. The Main Monkey Business5. The Way the Wind Blows6. Malignant Narcissism7. Bravado8. Test for Echo9. Where’s My Thing The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine. Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works. Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose. This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :) Cool exercise. It's all about the order. One thing a few of Rush's albums could learn a lesson or two about it flow. Of course, I've heard many worse cases of bad flow from other bands, but it ain't easy! Openers should set the tone for the general idea of what's to come, and often they want to get your blood pumping too. Closers should have some sense of finality about them, if not a bit of drama to close things off, and tracks need to compliment each other with grace so every transition feels intentional and highlights the two songs forming it nicely. These are of course just guidelines more than rules, as many a great album has been made by breaking a few of them (or a lot of them), but it's best to learn them and use them before you go around toying with them or ignoring them! Sorry for the rambling, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the order.:goodone: I've posted several times regarding track order, specifically in reference to Clockwork Angels. A re-ordering, with a bit of trimming, made it a great album for me. With Clockwork, I’d trim that down to seven songs. The other five tracks I don’t care about. There’s nothing I dislike on it though (like some stuff I feel negatively about on Snakes and Bones). But yeah, if I were to put those seven CA tracks into an order I like, it’d take a bit more consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 I was thinking that another possible thread might be "The ultimate Rush proto-prog metal compilation" - what tracks would you include? You are allowed to take sections of side long tunes like 2112, Necromancer, etc. What's the heaviest album you could compile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus_2112 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 My least favorite 3: Test For Echo, Caress of Steel, Vapor Trails One Little VictoryBastille DayVapor TrailTest For EchoHalf The WorldHow It IsLakeside ParkSecret TouchDrivenEarthshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutlefan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 ^^ That's a great album actually, but then I like the sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was thinking that another possible thread might be "The ultimate Rush proto-prog metal compilation" - what tracks would you include? You are allowed to take sections of side long tunes like 2112, Necromancer, etc. What's the heaviest album you could compile? Not a fan of dissecting bands by genre. Metal, prog, rock, whatever. This is the TRUE reason why the PeW 70s/80s nonsense argument persists. Vivisection! Good is good whatever it is. By-Tor fits fine on an album with Strangiato and Limelight. In short, I bet such a thread would do great as TRF generally likes separating this and that into categories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was thinking that another possible thread might be "The ultimate Rush proto-prog metal compilation" - what tracks would you include? You are allowed to take sections of side long tunes like 2112, Necromancer, etc. What's the heaviest album you could compile? Not a fan of dissecting bands by genre. Metal, prog, rock, whatever. This is the TRUE reason why the PeW 70s/80s nonsense argument persists. Vivisection! Good is good whatever it is. By-Tor fits fine on an album with Strangiato and Limelight. In short, I bet such a thread would do great as TRF generally likes separating this and that into categories. Sure, but what about those days when you want a) Rush and b) something damned heavy? Forget the genres - what tunes fit together just for sheer holyjeezum heaviness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was thinking that another possible thread might be "The ultimate Rush proto-prog metal compilation" - what tracks would you include? You are allowed to take sections of side long tunes like 2112, Necromancer, etc. What's the heaviest album you could compile? Not a fan of dissecting bands by genre. Metal, prog, rock, whatever. This is the TRUE reason why the PeW 70s/80s nonsense argument persists. Vivisection! Good is good whatever it is. By-Tor fits fine on an album with Strangiato and Limelight. In short, I bet such a thread would do great as TRF generally likes separating this and that into categories. Sure, but what about those days when you want a) Rush and b) something damned heavy? Forget the genres - what tunes fit together just for sheer holyjeezum heaviness? Then I pick a specific album which shows where they are at a specific time in their lives. And usually it’s a single overall mood. One of those moods being “heavy stuff”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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