Fridge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Any Star Wars content not produced in the 70s or 80s..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Any Star Wars content not produced in the 70s or 80s.........so coinciding with Rush's peak? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 Star Wars = 2112Empire = HemispheresReturn = Signals ? Phantom Menace = Hold Your FireClones = PrestoSith = Roll the Bones . . . ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Star Wars = 2112Empire = HemispheresReturn = Signals ? Phantom Menace = Hold Your FireClones = PrestoSith = Roll the Bones . . . ?sure we'll go with that...but I'm the worst source for Star Wars comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Puppet bands Naboo Clones Flying space princesses Angsty Jedi masters Milking animals f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones. I'm okay with the last three, though. Leia in space: it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here. The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after allLuke as "angsty": kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepersMilking animals: I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however. no comments here about Star Wars, just thought I'd point out how kick ass it is to see Toymaker swearing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 Puppet bands Naboo Clones Flying space princesses Angsty Jedi masters Milking animals f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones. I'm okay with the last three, though. Leia in space: it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here. The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after allLuke as "angsty": kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepersMilking animals: I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however. no comments here about Star Wars, just thought I'd point out how kick ass it is to see Toymaker swearing An homage to my Janet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible airwave Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 People whining about how much they hate sand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingcinderellaman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Bombing a spaceship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingcinderellaman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Puppet bands Naboo Clones Flying space princesses Angsty Jedi masters Milking animals f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones. I'm okay with the last three, though. Leia in space: it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here. The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after allLuke as "angsty": kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepersMilking animals: I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however. Valid arguments. But I still have issues with Leia Poppins.It looked cheesy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected. I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations. I can understand that. Too much can be a bad thing. I can also see the "too little" flip side to the issue. If the original trilogy just featured those little tidbits of moving rocks and equipment and the occasional mind trick, then I think it may have left audiences unfulfilled. When we first saw Palpatine use his immense powers, it was truly something. It was a great way to take the power of the Force up a level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Star Wars = 2112Empire = HemispheresReturn = Signals ? Phantom Menace = Hold Your FireClones = PrestoSith = Roll the Bones . . . ? I’ll go this way... ((Interpret this as you may)) Star Wars : AnthemEmpire : XanaduReturn/Jedi : Distant Early Warning Phantom Menace : You Bet Your LifeClones : Face UpSith : Neurotica Force Awakens : The SeekerRogue One : Headlong FlightLast Jedi : BU2B2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingcinderellaman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting. Good point. Luke was full of doubt when first met Yoda, and he was again full of doubt in their last meeting. It’s similar to the Green Lanterns. Their rings are only as powerful as the minds that control them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting. Good point. Luke was full of doubt when first met Yoda, and he was again full of doubt in their last meeting. It’s similar to the Green Lanterns. Their rings are only as powerful as the minds that control them. My problem with Superman 1 & 2 is that they were pulling powers out of their ass that never existed (spinning around earth to move back time, magic kiss to erase memory, etc.). To me, the Leia Poppins scene is similar. Thor shooting lightning bolts from his hammer isn’t in that group as it was already a well established ability. Rocket Raccoon being smart and talking isn’t something they suddenly did. It IS the character. If lightning from a hammer and a talking raccoon are dumb then that’s fine but it doesn’t go against what the characters have always done. What the characters always were. Side note: I disliked Thor Raganarok and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for the numerous, nonsensical character changes that were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Anything named Dooku Unless it's used thusly: Luke left an Upper Dooku in the Falcon because he was mad at Han. Then it's ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I don't want to see and hear another little kid going "whoo-hooo!" Actually, I don't want to see anyone doing that. Even hearing that little bastard say “Sebulba” pissed me off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting. Good point. Luke was full of doubt when first met Yoda, and he was again full of doubt in their last meeting. It’s similar to the Green Lanterns. Their rings are only as powerful as the minds that control them. My problem with Superman 1 & 2 is that they were pulling powers out of their ass that never existed (spinning around earth to move back time, magic kiss to erase memory, etc.). To me, the Leia Poppins scene is similar.:goodone: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 microscopic organisms that give you the force (as opposed to the shits) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) outrageously obvious cultural stereotypes. I'll never understand how any of that crap got past anyone. I have a vague recollection that one of Lucas's response to the charge of racist stereotypes was that "it takes place in a galaxy far, far away . . . how can they be racist stereotypes?" Edited January 16, 2018 by toymaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Immaculate conception. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 People whining about how much they hate sand. I never understand the hate about that comment. It was one of the few lines he had which was delivered pretty well, gave insight into who he was, and rang true. I mean, sand is f***ing awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Further expansion of the power to use the Force. Enough already. I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;) But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy? Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers? To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.I didn't want that at all. For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid. With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb. With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam. Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting. Good point. Luke was full of doubt when first met Yoda, and he was again full of doubt in their last meeting. It’s similar to the Green Lanterns. Their rings are only as powerful as the minds that control them. My problem with Superman 1 & 2 is that they were pulling powers out of their ass that never existed (spinning around earth to move back time, magic kiss to erase memory, etc.). To me, the Leia Poppins scene is similar. Mind trick, moving objects, talking to the dead, talking to the living telepathically, force lightning...all introduced in a similar way as Leia Poppins and hologram Luke. Leia's I don't like because, to me, it makes her OP and it was a completely wasted opportunity. I wonder if they had planned on her being more of a force user in the 9th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Leia's I don't like because, to me, it makes her OP and it was a completely wasted opportunity. I wonder if they had planned on her being more of a force user in the 9th. Sadly, we will never know. I think Carrie Fisher's poor health severely limited what she could do in the films. She was either sitting, or standing still, or giving people hugs. All passive actions....except for when she slapped Poe.... Leia had over 20 years to learn the ways of the Force. It would have been great to see both Luke and Leia become powerful Jedi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 outrageously obvious cultural stereotypes. I'll never understand how any of that crap got past anyone. I have a vague recollection that one of Lucas's response to the charge of racist stereotypes was that "it takes place in a galaxy far, far away . . . how can they be racist stereotypes?" f**k him and all three sets of his double chin. ;) I remember some Lucas rubbish very similar to what you’re remembering. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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