Was Keith Moon a good drummer?

[RUSHHEAD666]

Kenny Jones

[RUSHHEAD666]

Herman Rarebell

[Lorraine]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

[RUSHHEAD666]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

That's a great question. Cliff Burton surely helped make Lars sound better. But then when Newsted came in to play bass the rhythm section of Metallica because useless like big tits on a bull.

[Digital Dad]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

That's a great question. Cliff Burton surely helped make Lars sound better. But then when Newsted came in to play bass the rhythm section of Metallica because useless like big tits on a bull.

 

Lol

 

Is rhat why Lars had him mixed out of it?

[ReRushed]

Seriously, is Lars Ulrich a bad drummer or is he just not great? Edited February 9, 2016 by ReRushed

[theredtamasrule]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

 

Good bands will have top notch rhythm sections (bass & drums)...they lay the foundation and drive the band forward. The Who had two immensely talented members of the rhythm section: Entwhistle and Moon, both were very busy players but very different personalities. Moon was uncontrolled chaos and self-destruction, Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

As to whether or not Moon was a great drummer will depend on who you ask. Pete T has talked about being irritated by Moon because Moon wouldn't just play a beat, he was a wash of notes that sounded somewhat random. Rock drummers tend to be in awe of Moon because he was such a departure from what rock drums were and he pointed toward what they could be. For me he's ok, where he plays certain notes tends to irritate the piss out of me as they sometimes don't jive with what anyone else is doing. Chaotic, naturally brilliant but could have used some restraint.

[ReRushed]

Kenny Jones

Kenney Jones kicked ass in the Small Faces and Faces. And Pete liked him in the Who!

[theredtamasrule]

Seriously, is Lars Ulrich a bad drummer or is he just not great?

 

To paraphrase Cornelius: Ulrich is a guy who hits things with sticks and is lucky enough to be in a band that made tons of money. IMO he can play a beat but is not a great drummer.

[ReRushed]

Seriously, is Lars Ulrich a bad drummer or is he just not great?

 

To paraphrase Cornelius: Ulrich is a guy who hits things with sticks and is lucky enough to be in a band that made tons of money. IMO he can play a beat but is not a great drummer.

Fair enough. I don't think he's an exceptional drummer, but Metallica is an exceptional band, regardless of betraying their fan base! Lars' talent, or lack of talent, doesn't subtract from Metallica's successes.

[The Cat 3]

From my seat, as a drummer for a pretty long time...ok almost all of my life... I think he's probably one of the first rock drummers to take things to a different level... I'm not going to say whether he was good or bad, he was the RIGHT drummer for The Who, and he did what was needed for the songs. When you listen back to some of their stuff, and hear what he played, and how he played it, you knew that he was the right guy for them, no questions..... How he would have played for a different band....who knows? But he took that old "four on the floor" attitude, and went up a few notches. I think he opened the door for a lot of guys (Peart included) to not be afraid to experiment, and take things to another level.

 

"Technically" now... I would say that most people that look at drumming as an "art" would look at his style and say he was sloppy, unruly, and just not the best technician there was sitting behind a drum kit....but it didn't matter with The Who.

 

Why didn't it matter with The Who?

 

Their music wasn't cut and dry...squared off...and perfect...it had a sloppy quality to it that made them The Who! If you go see them now, they're more like a tribute act than anything else...some of the old recordings of things I've heard were so off the charts unruly, that you got into them more than the bands that played "like the record".

 

I couldn't bear to see them now. I'd rather remember them as they once were and when I saw them in 1974.

Zak Starkey is their drummer now and he really does Uncle Keith proud behind the kit.

 

Keith was Zak's Godfather and a very close friend to Ringo.

[The Cat 3]

Kenny Jones

Kenney Jones kicked ass in the Small Faces and Faces. And Pete liked him in the Who!

 

I quite like Kenney's playing on "Face Dances" and "It's Hard".

 

 

[tangy]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

[Lorraine]

From my seat, as a drummer for a pretty long time...ok almost all of my life... I think he's probably one of the first rock drummers to take things to a different level... I'm not going to say whether he was good or bad, he was the RIGHT drummer for The Who, and he did what was needed for the songs. When you listen back to some of their stuff, and hear what he played, and how he played it, you knew that he was the right guy for them, no questions..... How he would have played for a different band....who knows? But he took that old "four on the floor" attitude, and went up a few notches. I think he opened the door for a lot of guys (Peart included) to not be afraid to experiment, and take things to another level.

 

"Technically" now... I would say that most people that look at drumming as an "art" would look at his style and say he was sloppy, unruly, and just not the best technician there was sitting behind a drum kit....but it didn't matter with The Who.

 

Why didn't it matter with The Who?

 

Their music wasn't cut and dry...squared off...and perfect...it had a sloppy quality to it that made them The Who! If you go see them now, they're more like a tribute act than anything else...some of the old recordings of things I've heard were so off the charts unruly, that you got into them more than the bands that played "like the record".

 

I couldn't bear to see them now. I'd rather remember them as they once were and when I saw them in 1974.

Zak Starkey is their drummer now and he really does Uncle Keith proud behind the kit.

 

Keith was Zak's Godfather and a very close friend to Ringo.

 

I didn't know his son became a drummer. I still remember seeing his baby pictures in 16 Magazine when he was just born.

[Lorraine]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

 

:codger:

 

Yes, Tangy, I believe a bear does.

[blueschica]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

 

Good bands will have top notch rhythm sections (bass & drums)...they lay the foundation and drive the band forward. The Who had two immensely talented members of the rhythm section: Entwhistle and Moon, both were very busy players but very different personalities. Moon was uncontrolled chaos and self-destruction, Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

As to whether or not Moon was a great drummer will depend on who you ask. Pete T has talked about being irritated by Moon because Moon wouldn't just play a beat, he was a wash of notes that sounded somewhat random. Rock drummers tend to be in awe of Moon because he was such a departure from what rock drums were and he pointed toward what they could be. For me he's ok, where he plays certain notes tends to irritate the piss out of me as they sometimes don't jive with what anyone else is doing. Chaotic, naturally brilliant but could have used some restraint.

 

Very interesting to read all this, since I know what I like in music but I don't always know what makes it all work. When you talk about Entwhistle and Moon or Cliff Burton and that annoying Lars it then makes sense what you read about when Neil was auditioning for Rush- how they had him play with Geddy because they had to be sure the two could work together to carry the rhythm section . .

 

Good thread, Lorraine! :)

[tangy]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

 

:codger:

 

Yes, Tangy, I believe a bear does.

 

Well it was instilled in me as a young lad that moon and all the members of the who were rock gods . So yeah.

 

As great as pete is i really love the ox!

[Lorraine]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

 

:codger:

 

Yes, Tangy, I believe a bear does.

 

Well it was instilled in me as a young lad that moon and all the members of the who were rock gods . So yeah.

 

As great as pete is i really love the ox!

 

They were back then. Especially after Tommy came out.

[Lorraine]

Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

I thought he had died of natural causes. What drug was he on?

 

I can't pretend to know the pressures of the music business, but these men have what so many others dream about and never will have. Why do they resort to drugs?

[The Analog Cub]

Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

I thought he had died of natural causes. What drug was he on?

 

I can't pretend to know the pressures of the music business, but these men have what so many others dream about and never will have. Why do they resort to drugs?

 

He was coked up when he died back in 2002.

[Lorraine]

I looked it up. It said he died of a heart attack induced by cocaine.

 

Not sure if it was that or the stripper/groupie he had in the sack with him.

[Lorraine]

Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

I thought he had died of natural causes. What drug was he on?

 

I can't pretend to know the pressures of the music business, but these men have what so many others dream about and never will have. Why do they resort to drugs?

 

He was coked up when he died back in 2002.

 

I just looked it up.

 

Thanks! :)

[theredtamasrule]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

 

Good bands will have top notch rhythm sections (bass & drums)...they lay the foundation and drive the band forward. The Who had two immensely talented members of the rhythm section: Entwhistle and Moon, both were very busy players but very different personalities. Moon was uncontrolled chaos and self-destruction, Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

As to whether or not Moon was a great drummer will depend on who you ask. Pete T has talked about being irritated by Moon because Moon wouldn't just play a beat, he was a wash of notes that sounded somewhat random. Rock drummers tend to be in awe of Moon because he was such a departure from what rock drums were and he pointed toward what they could be. For me he's ok, where he plays certain notes tends to irritate the piss out of me as they sometimes don't jive with what anyone else is doing. Chaotic, naturally brilliant but could have used some restraint.

 

Very interesting to read all this, since I know what I like in music but I don't always know what makes it all work. When you talk about Entwhistle and Moon or Cliff Burton and that annoying Lars it then makes sense what you read about when Neil was auditioning for Rush- how they had him play with Geddy because they had to be sure the two could work together to carry the rhythm section . .

 

Good thread, Lorraine! :)

 

Yes, if Ged and Cornelius did not connect as a rhythm section then nothing else would have mattered. Now, those two are exceptional in that as a trio they had to do ALOT more than just lay down the pulse of the song, they had to do that AND fill in space...and generally kick ass.

[Lorraine]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

 

Good bands will have top notch rhythm sections (bass & drums)...they lay the foundation and drive the band forward. The Who had two immensely talented members of the rhythm section: Entwhistle and Moon, both were very busy players but very different personalities. Moon was uncontrolled chaos and self-destruction, Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

As to whether or not Moon was a great drummer will depend on who you ask. Pete T has talked about being irritated by Moon because Moon wouldn't just play a beat, he was a wash of notes that sounded somewhat random. Rock drummers tend to be in awe of Moon because he was such a departure from what rock drums were and he pointed toward what they could be. For me he's ok, where he plays certain notes tends to irritate the piss out of me as they sometimes don't jive with what anyone else is doing. Chaotic, naturally brilliant but could have used some restraint.

 

Very interesting to read all this, since I know what I like in music but I don't always know what makes it all work. When you talk about Entwhistle and Moon or Cliff Burton and that annoying Lars it then makes sense what you read about when Neil was auditioning for Rush- how they had him play with Geddy because they had to be sure the two could work together to carry the rhythm section . .

 

Good thread, Lorraine! :)

 

Yes, if Ged and Cornelius did not connect as a rhythm section then nothing else would have mattered. Now, those two are exceptional in that as a trio they had to do ALOT more than just lay down the pulse of the song, they had to do that AND fill in space...and generally kick ass.

 

I never knew until today that the drums and bass are the rhythm section.

 

I often try to focus in on the bass player in conjunction with the drummer to try and hear how the bass player supports the drummer. Sometimes it is difficult to hear how it's done; other times, it is easy.

[Tombstone Mountain]

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

 

Good bands will have top notch rhythm sections (bass & drums)...they lay the foundation and drive the band forward. The Who had two immensely talented members of the rhythm section: Entwhistle and Moon, both were very busy players but very different personalities. Moon was uncontrolled chaos and self-destruction, Ent was more restrained but in the end equally self destructive...as drugs eventually killed both.

 

As to whether or not Moon was a great drummer will depend on who you ask. Pete T has talked about being irritated by Moon because Moon wouldn't just play a beat, he was a wash of notes that sounded somewhat random. Rock drummers tend to be in awe of Moon because he was such a departure from what rock drums were and he pointed toward what they could be. For me he's ok, where he plays certain notes tends to irritate the piss out of me as they sometimes don't jive with what anyone else is doing. Chaotic, naturally brilliant but could have used some restraint.

I thought a good drummer was essential to a band, but I guess not.

 

What musician makes up for the drummer's inadequacies? The bass player?

As to whether or not Moon was a great drummer will depend on who you ask.

 

Pete T has talked about being irritated by Moon because Moon wouldn't just play a beat, he was a wash of notes that sounded somewhat random.Pete is right on the money here.

 

Rock drummers tend to be in awe of Moon because he was such a departure from what rock drums were and he pointed toward what they could be.

Which in many cases wasn't all that great--live

 

For me he's ok, where he plays certain notes tends to irritate the piss out of me as they sometimes don't jive with what anyone else is doing. Chaotic, naturally brilliant but could have used some restraint.

Totally agree. As a bassist myself, it's very difficult to play with someone who's unpredictable...and that was Keith Moon. He's held in high regard by many people, but I would've killed him after a couple of gigs. Structure is important to a rhythm section and he really causes me to cringe a ton live. Edited February 10, 2016 by Tombstone Mountain