Legacy if T4E Marked the End

[Lucas]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday . . What is also lame is finding that when you are in high school, you like the same music as your teachers ..

 

While I do understand your point Bath, I think you are generalizing things based on your experience and perception - which, after all, is really all a person can do ..

 

I don't find 70s Rush passé at all - just as I don't find Chuck Berry, The Sonics, The Dead Boys or The Bay City Rollers passé ... See ?? just personal perception

 

A band like Primus or Nirvana, on the other hand, are very passé according to this 48 year old

 

;)

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

 

... swayed by other fans and journalists ??

 

Bathory, that is very un-punk

 

;)

[bathory]

Whoops phone shit. I was gonna say don't be obtuse, you know what I meant

"Obtuse". f**k. I wasn't and I didn't. People make all kinds of weird comparisons on here so I first thought MAYBE someone (NOT you) said that REO song IS more important than Teen Spirit.

 

I didn't think you meant I said that. my reo/nirvana remark was more to do with the fact that on a website like this there might be more reo speedwagon fans than nirvana fans, but that the younger people who will be the new old people when the current old people die generally think of nirvana more favorably, meaning that nirvana, as a band kept alive by a constantly growing audience, will endure. meanwhile some of the arena rock favorites with a predominantly older audience might not endure. rush, having stayed relevant while many of their contemporaries play to crowds of 500 people, will also endure.

[bathory]

bathory is absolutely right about Rush's perception in recent years. Up until Snakes & Arrows, they were still doing the same smaller venues as Styx, Cheap Trick

Not correct venues have been basically the same since Moving Pictures.

Nevermind, I was thinking of one particular area where they've only recently upgraded

 

yeah, I appreciate someone getting where I'm coming from, but rush have played huge venues for a long time. what I was saying is that many of their contemporaries have downgraded, while rush have managed to stay relevant and reach a younger audience.

[bathory]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday . . What is also lame is finding that when you are in high school, you like the same music as your teachers ..

 

While I do understand your point Bath, I think you are generalizing things based on your experience and perception - which, after all, is really all a person can do ..

 

I don't find 70s Rush passé at all - just as I don't find Chuck Berry, The Sonics, The Dead Boys or The Bay City Rollers passé ... See ?? just personal perception

 

A band like Primus or Nirvana, on the other hand, are very passé according to this 48 year old

 

;)

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

 

But how do you differentiate between a punk fan who likes Rush and a Rush fan who likes punk ?

 

There is no way

 

If a fan of The Angry Samoans or Stiff Little Fingers dislikes Rush, does that make them "more punk" ?

 

No

 

Of the people who I have come across who consider themselves "punk" , they usually are anything but

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

[bathory]

this is insane. I typed that one huge paragraph to avoid a multi-page argument

[bathory]

before anymore bullshit, I'm just gonna go back to the OP one more time and stop: carrying on past test for echo and staying relevant into the 2000s will ultimately help rush endure, because more exposure of rush in the media has helped bring in younger fans...in my opinion. that is the end.

[JohnnyBlaze]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday . . What is also lame is finding that when you are in high school, you like the same music as your teachers ..

 

While I do understand your point Bath, I think you are generalizing things based on your experience and perception - which, after all, is really all a person can do ..

 

I don't find 70s Rush passé at all - just as I don't find Chuck Berry, The Sonics, The Dead Boys or The Bay City Rollers passé ... See ?? just personal perception

 

A band like Primus or Nirvana, on the other hand, are very passé according to this 48 year old

 

;)

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

 

But how do you differentiate between a punk fan who likes Rush and a Rush fan who likes punk ?

 

There is no way

 

If a fan of The Angry Samoans or Stiff Little Fingers dislikes Rush, does that make them "more punk" ?

 

No

 

Of the people who I have come across who consider themselves "punk" , they usually are anything but

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

Depends on what you read yeah? Guitar Player, Bass Player, and Modern Drummer magazines have been singing Rush's praises for 25+ years while other mags have always torn them to pieces for decades.

[Lucas]

Bathory, in all seriousness, this is great discussion - from my perspective, I don't see it as arguing at all . .

 

At least it is interesting

 

By the way - love the two dinosaurs in your av

 

:D

 

 

[bathory]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday . . What is also lame is finding that when you are in high school, you like the same music as your teachers ..

 

While I do understand your point Bath, I think you are generalizing things based on your experience and perception - which, after all, is really all a person can do ..

 

I don't find 70s Rush passé at all - just as I don't find Chuck Berry, The Sonics, The Dead Boys or The Bay City Rollers passé ... See ?? just personal perception

 

A band like Primus or Nirvana, on the other hand, are very passé according to this 48 year old

 

;)

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

 

But how do you differentiate between a punk fan who likes Rush and a Rush fan who likes punk ?

 

There is no way

 

If a fan of The Angry Samoans or Stiff Little Fingers dislikes Rush, does that make them "more punk" ?

 

No

 

Of the people who I have come across who consider themselves "punk" , they usually are anything but

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

Depends on what you read yeah? Guitar Player, Bass Player, and Modern Drummer magazines have been singing Rush's praises for 25+ years while other mags have always torn them to pieces for decades.

 

that's a good point. first rock mags I remember reading were spin since my parents subscribed to it, and rolling stone's 500 albums list when it came out. my first forum was a yugioh forum and everyone there was into green day and blink-182, and in middle school when kids at school started getting into older music, there was maiden, misfits, metallica, nirvana, but all the kids besides me who were into that stuff hated rush. in high school I met "punks" and metal heads who mostly didn't seem to like rush either. I guess it's all about where you're coming from

[bathory]

Bathory, in all seriousness, this is great discussion - from my perspective, I don't see it as arguing at all . .

 

At least it is interesting

 

By the way - love the two dinosaurs in your av

 

:D

 

yeah, I guess I read an annoyed vibe in eaglemoon's post and assumed everyone was taking that angle. internet

[Lucas]

"I hate to blow the mystique, but at the time we really liked bubblegum music, and we really liked the Bay City Rollers. Their song 'Saturday Night' had a great chant in it, so we wanted a song with a chant in it: 'Hey! Ho! Let's Go!'... 'Blitzkrieg Bop' was our 'Saturday Night'."

 

Joey Ramone

 

 

[bathory]

"I hate to blow the mystique, but at the time we really liked bubblegum music, and we really liked the Bay City Rollers. Their song 'Saturday Night' had a great chant in it, so we wanted a song with a chant in it: 'Hey! Ho! Let's Go!'... 'Blitzkrieg Bop' was our 'Saturday Night'."

 

Joey Ramone

 

yeah, punk musicians are often open minded. the guys in black flag all loved dio, King crimson, the dead even... Minutemen covered blue oyster cult and Ccr... I was talking about my experience with rather close minded punk fans

[bathory]

johnny rotten loves Genesis, tull, Kate bush

[JohnnyBlaze]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday . . What is also lame is finding that when you are in high school, you like the same music as your teachers ..

 

While I do understand your point Bath, I think you are generalizing things based on your experience and perception - which, after all, is really all a person can do ..

 

I don't find 70s Rush passé at all - just as I don't find Chuck Berry, The Sonics, The Dead Boys or The Bay City Rollers passé ... See ?? just personal perception

 

A band like Primus or Nirvana, on the other hand, are very passé according to this 48 year old

 

;)

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

 

But how do you differentiate between a punk fan who likes Rush and a Rush fan who likes punk ?

 

There is no way

 

If a fan of The Angry Samoans or Stiff Little Fingers dislikes Rush, does that make them "more punk" ?

 

No

 

Of the people who I have come across who consider themselves "punk" , they usually are anything but

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

Depends on what you read yeah? Guitar Player, Bass Player, and Modern Drummer magazines have been singing Rush's praises for 25+ years while other mags have always torn them to pieces for decades.

 

that's a good point. first rock mags I remember reading were spin since my parents subscribed to it, and rolling stone's 500 albums list when it came out. my first forum was a yugioh forum and everyone there was into green day and blink-182, and in middle school when kids at school started getting into older music, there was maiden, misfits, metallica, nirvana, but all the kids besides me who were into that stuff hated rush. in high school I met "punks" and metal heads who mostly didn't seem to like rush either. I guess it's all about where you're coming from

Well, I finished high school in '90 and when I talked to Metallica fans back in the late 80s their typical comments were, "You like Rush? Yeah, they're alright. But I like their older stuff."

In the mid 90s, Nirvana fans I knew in uni were coming from the condescending angle of, "You like Rush? Are they even around anymore?" This is somewhat ironic considering Grohl and his now well documented Rush lust.

[Lucas]

Though the pristine polished pop music of the one and only ABBA may seem light years away from the loud chaos of the Sex Pistols, there is a connection. Bassist/songwriter Glen Matlock was a lover of great pop songs. Abba wrote some great pop songs. Matlock was so inspired by one of them, 'S.O.S.' that he took the riff and mangled it into what would become 'Pretty Vacant.'

 

 

[RUSHHEAD666]

Yeah I'm curious Nicky. How long have you been a Rush can???

 

You are funny DD! A Rush Can?

 

Is this a new beer they are selling out of The Orbit Room?

 

Nikki Sixx can sukk Troll DIXX!

 

No time for posers here.

 

Love Always,

 

"Theatre Of Lame"

[EagleMoon]

Bathory, in all seriousness, this is great discussion - from my perspective, I don't see it as arguing at all . .

 

At least it is interesting

 

By the way - love the two dinosaurs in your av

 

:D

 

yeah, I guess I read an annoyed vibe in eaglemoon's post and assumed everyone was taking that angle. internet

 

It wasn't annoyance as much as wanting to point out that it's not a good idea to generalize like you were doing.

[goose]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday . . What is also lame is finding that when you are in high school, you like the same music as your teachers ..

 

While I do understand your point Bath, I think you are generalizing things based on your experience and perception - which, after all, is really all a person can do ..

 

I don't find 70s Rush passé at all - just as I don't find Chuck Berry, The Sonics, The Dead Boys or The Bay City Rollers passé ... See ?? just personal perception

 

A band like Primus or Nirvana, on the other hand, are very passé according to this 48 year old

 

;)

 

maybe I know too many indie and punk fans and maybe I've read too much rock journalism, but rush seemed to have a certain stigma to me until fairly recently

They were despised by a lot of rock insiders, but time - and market forces - seem to have tempered that. RUSH's sense of humor and influence on other musicians started to get attention over Geddy's weird vocals. Once that happened, RUSH became cool. The Colbert appearance and I Love You Man put them over the top, hateful media-wise.

[goose]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

Easy now. If I had a son, he'd presume just like bathory. :)

 

I hate to break it to all you people who think "I can't fight this feeling anymore" is a more important rock song than "smells like teen spirit" but....

It's not even close. REO had their moment in the sun, but it was all over for them by 1980.

Hi-Infidelity went toe to toe with Moving Pictures during the Summer of '81. The album was a huge success.

[Segue Myles]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

I didn't see anything wrong with your post either.

[Slim]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

[laughedatbytime]

Paul Dianno Maiden = not passé

 

Post Piece Of Mind Maiden = debateable

KISS:passé

KISS jokes: never passe

[HalfwayToGone]

Slim-youre obviously out of touch with what's popular. I am too, but my brother teaches guitar to young kids, so he knows what they listen to and what they want to learn. It's like every other generation. if someone in their household (older sibling or parents) listened to a lot of music, they eventually come around to a fondness for what they were raised on, but at some point they all get into whatever everyone else their age is listening to, like the latest boy band if it's a girl, or the latest rapper or hip hop or commercial rock. We had the Bay City Rollers, Shaun Cassidy, etc. and the girls now have One Direction.

[Relayer2112]

I don't believe that Rush would have made the R&R HOF without the material after TFE. It's not that the material since '95, '96 is that great, but the longevity that they showed with creating that material and the fan support after that time got them to the HOF level. Also, I don't think the band's legacy with fans would have affected one bit had they retired after TFE.

[Digital Dad]

johnny rotten loves Genesis, tull, Kate bush

 

Actually Johnny Rotten hates Pink Floyd too. John Lydon likes all those bands.