Segue Myles Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I've never quite understood how liking something that takes a decent level of musicianship to play is considered snobbery. Like it's considered something negative?I know what you mean. I can only assume that the flip side of that is that you must look down on "simpler" types of music. I guess that can be valid but as for myself I try to evaluate based on integrity too, not solely on complexity. I do have a great appreciation for complex music and admire those who make it. I can't help that, it's just how I am wired. I feel the same about the books I choose to read. I occasionally want a "potato chip" read but I can't live on it. Exactly. I like simplistic music now and then, but I would hate to have only that to listen to. I can only assume the snobbery issue arises because people who enjoy simple music all of the time feel threatened by the people who like complex music. It's one thing for a musician to play uncomplicated music (and by that I mean common time signatures, technically "easy" to play parts, "juvenile" lyrics) because they're only that good, but another for them to play it because they do it to make money. A lot of bands will play whatever brings in the cash, whether they admit it or not. I don't think anyone is threatened by someone else's taste in music. the snob issue comes from when fans of prog rock judge a piece of music by how complex it is. I think all the complexity in the world means nothing if you can't write a memorable tune. STOOOOOOOOOPPPPPP with the accuracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 thanks segue. and eagle, I'm not saying that you're like that because I know you like the beatles and other groups that aren't exactly out-the-ass technical. but there are a lot of prog rock fans who think that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 thanks segue. and eagle, I'm not saying that you're like that because I know you like the beatles and other groups that aren't exactly out-the-ass technical. but there are a lot of prog rock fans who think that way.I am a snobby mo fo however!... :dweez: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 thanks segue. and eagle, I'm not saying that you're like that because I know you like the beatles and other groups that aren't exactly out-the-ass technical. but there are a lot of prog rock fans who think that way.I am a snobby mo fo however!... :dweez: I wouldn't call you snobby at all, I'd just say you're set in your ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 thanks segue. and eagle, I'm not saying that you're like that because I know you like the beatles and other groups that aren't exactly out-the-ass technical. but there are a lot of prog rock fans who think that way.I am a snobby mo fo however!... :dweez: Nah! Just absolutely stone cold ancient with a taste for rock...fossils. Love ya! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) thanks segue. and eagle, I'm not saying that you're like that because I know you like the beatles and other groups that aren't exactly out-the-ass technical. but there are a lot of prog rock fans who think that way.I am a snobby mo fo however!... :dweez: I wouldn't call you snobby at all, I'd just say you're set in your ways.Set in my ways!? WTF ever would give you that idea?... :) Edited October 17, 2015 by Narps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mother of all machines Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE ON YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU, CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY DIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOND! Just that part makes the song progressive. No, btw, its totally cool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 To my ear, problems arise when a band sets out to impress the listener, or, to intentionally avoid simple time signatures or formulas .. Good or bad, it is obvious when this happens It is like having a conversation with someone who is communicating as if it were a Scrabble game I, for one, do not want to be spoken to, be it by a pretentious musician or a self-important person I also have found that people who can get into music with a good 4/4 beat are better in the sack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I've never quite understood how liking something that takes a decent level of musicianship to play is considered snobbery. Like it's considered something negative?I know what you mean. I can only assume that the flip side of that is that you must look down on "simpler" types of music. I guess that can be valid but as for myself I try to evaluate based on integrity too, not solely on complexity. I do have a great appreciation for complex music and admire those who make it. I can't help that, it's just how I am wired. I feel the same about the books I choose to read. I occasionally want a "potato chip" read but I can't live on it. Exactly. I like simplistic music now and then, but I would hate to have only that to listen to. I can only assume the snobbery issue arises because people who enjoy simple music all of the time feel threatened by the people who like complex music. It's one thing for a musician to play uncomplicated music (and by that I mean common time signatures, technically "easy" to play parts, "juvenile" lyrics) because they're only that good, but another for them to play it because they do it to make money. A lot of bands will play whatever brings in the cash, whether they admit it or not. I don't think anyone is threatened by someone else's taste in music. the snob issue comes from when fans of prog rock judge a piece of music by how complex it is. I think all the complexity in the world means nothing if you can't write a memorable tune. I don't think you can speak for everyone. I was just talking generally. I think there are people that are threatened by complex music because they don't "get it". And I'm using the word threatened to mean turned off due to ignorance. I'm sure I'll get flack for that comment but it's how I see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 To my ear, problems arise when a band sets out to impress the listener, or, to intentionally avoid simple time signatures or formulas .. Good or bad, it is obvious when this happens It is like having a conversation with someone who is communicating as if it were a Scrabble game I, for one, do not want to be spoken to, be it by a pretentious musician or a self-important person I also have found that people who can get into music with a good 4/4 beat are better in the sack Honey Boo Boo just called. :P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Two kinds of music. Good and bad. Your mileage may vary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) To my ear, problems arise when a band sets out to impress the listener, or, to intentionally avoid simple time signatures or formulas .. Good or bad, it is obvious when this happens It is like having a conversation with someone who is communicating as if it were a Scrabble game I, for one, do not want to be spoken to, be it by a pretentious musician or a self-important person I also have found that people who can get into music with a good 4/4 beat are better in the sackGeez I wish I even remotely had a clue about that last statement. Is there some sort of government paid for clinical trial to figure this out for sure and where would one sign up for the 55-65 division?... ;) Edited October 17, 2015 by Narps 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 To my ear, problems arise when a band sets out to impress the listener, or, to intentionally avoid simple time signatures or formulas .. Good or bad, it is obvious when this happens It is like having a conversation with someone who is communicating as if it were a Scrabble game I, for one, do not want to be spoken to, be it by a pretentious musician or a self-important person I also have found that people who can get into music with a good 4/4 beat are better in the sackGeez I wish I even remotely had a clue about that last statement. Is there some sort of government paid for clinical trial to figure this out for sure and where would one sign up for the 55-65 division?... ;) I think it is called a "Lucas-ism" A ridiculous ending comment used to offset the previous longwinded nonsense It happens in most of my posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 ... after all, I love rock 'n roll http://31.media.tumblr.com/eb674d97128c011ba40351675f19a8bb/tumblr_n1qw5rQQCN1tuumfko4_250.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it. They haven't needed to. Fortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it. They haven't needed to. Fortunately. They found a formula that sells. Once they figured out how to make easy bank they just cranked out the same rubbish for decades. That deserves no respect from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it.Double ouch and I mean the Bon stuff of course. Nothing else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Good grief. Night all... :hi: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it. They haven't needed to. Fortunately. For their cash influx that would be true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it.Double ouch and I mean the Bon stuff of course. Nothing else... Well it's true. When did they ever deviate from the 3-4 chord formula? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it. They haven't needed to. Fortunately. For their cash influx that would be true.I don't see prog as being pretentious, anymore than classical music is pretentious. Complex music doesn't always mean good music I agree, but I like music that challenges, that experiments and explores new ground. I can't find that very easily in Blues or Country or Classic Rock. There are exceptions to that for me but things like AC/DC bore me to tears by how cookie cutter bland they are. AC/DC found a formula that worked for them. Unfortunately they rarely ever deviated from it.Double ouch and I mean the Bon stuff of course. Nothing else... Well it's true. When did they ever deviate from the 3-4 chord formula? :goodone: :goodone: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 There is no shame in simplicity I love AC/DC during the Bon Scott era - like it or not, there has never been a more sincere rock and roll band than AC/DC during the time Bon Scott was there .. There is no shame in going into a studio or onto a stage and just doing what you love, and being who you are AC/DC are no different than Chuck Berry, and if you want to start criticizing Chuck, then I have nothing else to say 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 .. and if you want to talk about boring, just try watching that bass player in Dream Theater Is there even a pulse ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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