EagleMoon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 To anyone who believes PeW to be an 80s album based on the release date, I ask this question: Do you consider the Hammersmith Odeon show from 1978 released on Different Stages to be a 90s live recording?From a strictly non-humanities standpoint, this the most intelligent response I have seen on this topic. You guys are on acid. It's "on a timeless wavelength" and belongs in every decade.Let's debate something that matters like how long Geddy's shoelaces should be.Pretty sure he's a double knot guy, but perhaps I am projecting. On July 3, 1984... or was it *November 1, 1982? (had front row for the former (which was the latter) and third row for the latter (which was the former)). No matter. Either way my vantage point was such that pre-show at Market Square Arena in Indy, a friend and I could see through the underside of the stage back to the long corridor backstage. There stood the Gedinator speaking with someone. It appeared casual enough that it might have been a friend. At any rate, he didn't seem rushed (sorry). And guess what? He was in his socks! (as in no shoes) ! I absolve Lorraine of the sin of bumping. Go forth and spread the news! I have been me. *Can you believe that as late as '82, the fellas was still trudging it to such an extent that they'd played Evansville the night before? A guy called Steve Baker posted the proof:http://cygnus-x1.net...-10.31.1982.php This was kind of sad. I am pretty sure the Capital Centre (U S Air Arena and all of the other names) has been gone for years but I could stand corrected or just look it up... Not sure what you mean exactly. I was posting this because of the mention of Market Square Arena.It's were I saw most of my Rush shows and many other great bands in my youth. I thought that this kind of thing was what the subject matter was about here and what saddened you. Never mind and apologies if I was mistaken... I misread your meaning. It sounded kind of like you were making fun of it. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 http://cdn.retrowaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/The-1970s.jpg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 To anyone who believes PeW to be an 80s album based on the release date, I ask this question: Do you consider the Hammersmith Odeon show from 1978 released on Different Stages to be a 90s live recording?From a strictly non-humanities standpoint, this the most intelligent response I have seen on this topic. You guys are on acid. It's "on a timeless wavelength" and belongs in every decade.Let's debate something that matters like how long Geddy's shoelaces should be.Pretty sure he's a double knot guy, but perhaps I am projecting. On July 3, 1984... or was it *November 1, 1982? (had front row for the former (which was the latter) and third row for the latter (which was the former)). No matter. Either way my vantage point was such that pre-show at Market Square Arena in Indy, a friend and I could see through the underside of the stage back to the long corridor backstage. There stood the Gedinator speaking with someone. It appeared casual enough that it might have been a friend. At any rate, he didn't seem rushed (sorry). And guess what? He was in his socks! (as in no shoes) ! I absolve Lorraine of the sin of bumping. Go forth and spread the news! I have been me. *Can you believe that as late as '82, the fellas was still trudging it to such an extent that they'd played Evansville the night before? A guy called Steve Baker posted the proof:http://cygnus-x1.net...-10.31.1982.php This was kind of sad. I am pretty sure the Capital Centre (U S Air Arena and all of the other names) has been gone for years but I could stand corrected or just look it up... Not sure what you mean exactly. I was posting this because of the mention of Market Square Arena.It's were I saw most of my Rush shows and many other great bands in my youth. I thought that this kind of thing was what the subject matter was about here and what saddened you. Never mind and apologies if I was mistaken... I misread your meaning. It sounded kind of like you were making fun of it. My mistake.No way ever... <--------------------------------------- if it's cool? :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 To anyone who believes PeW to be an 80s album based on the release date, I ask this question: Do you consider the Hammersmith Odeon show from 1978 released on Different Stages to be a 90s live recording?From a strictly non-humanities standpoint, this the most intelligent response I have seen on this topic. You guys are on acid. It's "on a timeless wavelength" and belongs in every decade.Let's debate something that matters like how long Geddy's shoelaces should be.Pretty sure he's a double knot guy, but perhaps I am projecting. On July 3, 1984... or was it *November 1, 1982? (had front row for the former (which was the latter) and third row for the latter (which was the former)). No matter. Either way my vantage point was such that pre-show at Market Square Arena in Indy, a friend and I could see through the underside of the stage back to the long corridor backstage. There stood the Gedinator speaking with someone. It appeared casual enough that it might have been a friend. At any rate, he didn't seem rushed (sorry). And guess what? He was in his socks! (as in no shoes) ! I absolve Lorraine of the sin of bumping. Go forth and spread the news! I have been me. *Can you believe that as late as '82, the fellas was still trudging it to such an extent that they'd played Evansville the night before? A guy called Steve Baker posted the proof:http://cygnus-x1.net...-10.31.1982.php This was kind of sad. I am pretty sure the Capital Centre (U S Air Arena and all of the other names) has been gone for years but I could stand corrected or just look it up... Not sure what you mean exactly. I was posting this because of the mention of Market Square Arena.It's were I saw most of my Rush shows and many other great bands in my youth. I thought that this kind of thing was what the subject matter was about here and what saddened you. Never mind and apologies if I was mistaken... I misread your meaning. It sounded kind of like you were making fun of it. My mistake.No way ever... <--------------------------------------- if it's cool? :) Oh no problem! That's why I didn't understand the comment. It's okay. :) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graxxus Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbobby10 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 To anyone who believes PeW to be an 80s album based on the release date, I ask this question: Do you consider the Hammersmith Odeon show from 1978 released on Different Stages to be a 90s live recording? I still say this, if we consider this album a 70s, then most albums would have to be considered a year before, like i said MP was all recorded in 1980 but it is considered an 81 album because thats when it was released. Their debut most of it was recorded 73, but their 40th anniversary is when it was released 74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbobby10 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Well does that mean the Van Halen album "1984" was released in 1984 because thats what the title is?? oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graxxus Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That One Guy Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 18 pages? 80's album folks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 18 pages? 80's album folks. It's a 70s record if you think, as I do, that music conceived, written, recorded, mixed, mastered, and packaged in the 1970s, and which has the smokin' Rush 70s sound for the most part, belongs in the 70s. It's an 80s record if you think that just because it was released on Jan 1 1980 and there were people who didn't hear the songs until they bought the record (i.e. the listening public "consumed it"), it belongs in the 1980s, even though they had played some of the material in 1979 and at any rate the damned thing was produced, manufactured and shrink-wrapped in the last months of the 70s. Does the meal belong to the cook, or to the eater? Does the music belong to the musician, or to the listener? Do these words belong to the writer, or to the reader? Both, I guess. Ah, it's all in fun and all about perception. Permanent Waves does seem to look both to the past and to the future. What songs could have been included on Hemispheres? What songs could have been adapted to fit Moving Pictures? Is Permanent Waves a sort of hybrid of those two sounds, or is it something essentially different from each? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 18 pages? 80's album folks. It's a 70s record if you think, as I do, that music conceived, written, recorded, mixed, mastered, and packaged in the 1970s, and which has the smokin' Rush 70s sound for the most part, belongs in the 70s. It's an 80s record if you think that just because it was released on Jan 1 1980 and there were people who didn't hear the songs until they bought the record (i.e. the listening public "consumed it"), it belongs in the 1980s, even though they had played some of the material in 1979 and at any rate the damned thing was produced, manufactured and shrink-wrapped in the last months of the 70s. Does the meal belong to the cook, or to the eater? When the cook is cooking the meal it belongs to him, when the bell rings and the order is picked up it belongs to the server, then once the food is on the table it belongs to the eater. Thus, Permanent Waves is an 80's album. BAM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graxxus Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 18 pages? 80's album folks. It's a 70s record if you think, as I do, that music conceived, written, recorded, mixed, mastered, and packaged in the 1970s, and which has the smokin' Rush 70s sound for the most part, belongs in the 70s. It's an 80s record if you think that just because it was released on Jan 1 1980 and there were people who didn't hear the songs until they bought the record (i.e. the listening public "consumed it"), it belongs in the 1980s, even though they had played some of the material in 1979 and at any rate the damned thing was produced, manufactured and shrink-wrapped in the last months of the 70s. Does the meal belong to the cook, or to the eater? When the cook is cooking the meal it belongs to him, when the bell rings and the order is picked up it belongs to the server, then once the food is on the table it belongs to the eater. Thus, Permanent Waves is an 80's album. BAM And then the food belongs to the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicHead Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Technically, the seventies. The eighties didn't officially commence until 1981. Moving Pictures would truly be the first 80s Rush offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Technically, the seventies. The eighties didn't officially commence until 1981. Moving Pictures would truly be the first 80s Rush offering. Oh, my...this opens up a whole new can of beans...to wit: If you posit that 1981 was the first year of the 1980s (and the logic does follow, because there was no year zero, in the scheme of things)...well, Moving Pictures was recorded and mixed and completed, before 1981. So...was that the '70s, still? This just gets curiouser and curiouser... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said...It's perfectly consistent wit the sixth and seventh sentence of your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 It's a half and half album to my ears. Half of the songs belonged on AFTK or Hemispheres, the other half introduced the new Rush. Neil for one was happy about that. He put his crayons and construction paper away forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnEggplant Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It's a half and half album to my ears. Half of the songs belonged on AFTK or Hemispheres, the other half introduced the new Rush. Neil for one was happy about that. He put his crayons and construction paper away forever. :goodone: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it".So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it".So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... It's a seventies album that was released on January 1, 1980. :rush: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it".So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... It's a seventies album that was released on January 1, 1980. :rush:Purposely of course and we all know what most everything comes down to... $ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it".So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... You and I lived parallel lives in a lot of ways. I heard the Permanent Waves material live before I had the album as well, (though the album was released by the time I saw the show, I just hadn't bought it yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it".So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... It's a seventies album that was released on January 1, 1980. :rush:Purposely of course and we all know what most everything comes down to... $ I wish I could find the Ray interview where he gives the reason why. I thought it had something to do with grammy awards, but I'm probably remembering wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it".So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... You and I lived parallel lives in a lot of ways. I heard the Permanent Waves material live before I had the album as well, (though the album was released by the time I saw the show, I just hadn't bought it yet).So obviously you didn't attend the tour in 79' like I did? We do have many parallels btw I do agree. You aren't as old as I am though are you?... :codger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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