About Caravan...

[Drummerrobin]

Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version.

Wadda you guys think?

[Just an Escape Artist]

I like the sound of the bass on the album version. I hear some flanging or something. It sounds cool.

[ReflectedLight]

neither, i don't care for the song.

[DistantEarlyRushFan]

QUOTE (Just an Escape Artist @ Jun 25 2012, 06:13 PM)

I like the sound of the bass on the album version. I hear some flanging or something. It sounds cool.

This

 

There is too much guitar wall of sound on the single version

Edited June 25, 2012 by DistantEarlyRushFan

[Gedneil Alpeart]

QUOTE (Drummerrobin @ Jun 25 2012, 06:08 PM)

Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version. Wadda you guys think?

Agree with you. Drums are crisper and more up front in single.

[Rushman14]

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM)

QUOTE (Drummerrobin @ Jun 25 2012, 06:08 PM) Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version. Wadda you guys think? Agree with you. Drums are crisper and more up front in single. i would have preferred they mixed the album to match the Caravan single

[Todem]

The only thing I do not like about the album mix is the drums. I love everything else.

 

Wish they would have left the drums alone.

[Snaked]

I love the echo of "...in a world where I feel so small I can't stop thinkin big" at the end of the album version.

[Pound of Obscure]

QUOTE (Drummerrobin @ Jun 25 2012, 06:08 PM)

Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version. Wadda you guys think?

I agree. Single version.

[Presto-digitation]

Album by far.

[trenken]

Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album.

 

The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had.

[trenken]

QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jun 25 2012, 06:51 PM)

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM) QUOTE (Drummerrobin @ Jun 25 2012, 06:08 PM) Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version. Wadda you guys think? Agree with you. Drums are crisper and more up front in single. i would have preferred they mixed the album to match the Caravan single

[default236]

Album. I appreciate the fact that they wanted to remix it to give it a fresher feel to match with the rest of the tracks.

[Gedneil Alpeart]

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM)

Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had.

Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion.

[Captain Avatar]

I prefer the album mixes by a mile.

 

I didn't even like Caravan or BU2B all that much when they released them as singles, but now I think they are both really good songs.

 

I was actually pretty shocked by how much better a re-mixing could make them.

 

I don't care to ever listen to the singles versions again.

[canadianice]

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:05 PM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM) Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had. Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion. He must be listening to the album, with his "STUDIO' haedphones. A very unhappy little man.

[GeddyLeeFender]

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:53 PM)

QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jun 25 2012, 06:51 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM) QUOTE (Drummerrobin @ Jun 25 2012, 06:08 PM) Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version. Wadda you guys think? Agree with you. Drums are crisper and more up front in single. i would have preferred they mixed the album to match the Caravan single Alex's guitar really shines in the album mix, and Neil sounds fine I can hear every Tom he hits...

[Gedneil Alpeart]

QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 25 2012, 08:27 PM)

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:05 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM) Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had. Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion. He must be listening to the album, with his "STUDIO' haedphones. A very unhappy little man. It's freakin ridiculous. I should ignore him, but it's hard to when in almost every thread he's saying something or another to spite this record.....and many times he does it in not so obvious ways as try and appear innocent.....I don't know how many times I've heard him say it's only better than TFE, VT, and S and A.......and doesn't even come CLOSE to anything pre Presto...I've heard him say that in various threads over and over and over..........JESUS CHRIST!!!!   Really wish there was a blocking function on this thing so I don't have to read another F### anti CA post of his again. F###!!!!

[WCFIELDS]

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 07:37 PM)

QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 25 2012, 08:27 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:05 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM) Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had. Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion. He must be listening to the album, with his "STUDIO' haedphones. A very unhappy little man. It's freakin ridiculous. I should ignore him, but it's hard to when in almost every thread he's saying something or another to spite this record.....and many times he does it in not so obvious ways as try and appear innocent.....I don't know how many times I've heard him say it's only better than TFE, VT, and S and A.......and doesn't even come CLOSE to anything pre Presto...I've heard him say that in various threads over and over and over..........JESUS CHRIST!!!!   Really wish there was a blocking function on this thing so I don't have to read another F### anti CA post of his again. F###!!!! Maybe he will warm up to it?

[losingit2k]

Its great to finally hear the keyboard parts and the guitar part in the chorus. The last added vocal echo is pretty cool as well.

 

[CantStopThinkingBig]

single mix... they should have kept the same mix on the album. It's like they said "ok, let's remix these two songs for the album... let's just lower the drums, turn up the keys/effects and add some weird effects to the bass. That should do it..."

 

 

[Gedneil Alpeart]

QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 25 2012, 08:53 PM)

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 07:37 PM) QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 25 2012, 08:27 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:05 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM) Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had. Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion. He must be listening to the album, with his "STUDIO' haedphones. A very unhappy little man. It's freakin ridiculous. I should ignore him, but it's hard to when in almost every thread he's saying something or another to spite this record.....and many times he does it in not so obvious ways as try and appear innocent.....I don't know how many times I've heard him say it's only better than TFE, VT, and S and A.......and doesn't even come CLOSE to anything pre Presto...I've heard him say that in various threads over and over and over..........JESUS CHRIST!!!!   Really wish there was a blocking function on this thing so I don't have to read another F### anti CA post of his again. F###!!!! Maybe he will warm up to it? LOL...I like your sense of humor.....   As for you, you are cool with me. See, you don't like the album much, but you don't go about putting it down every chance you get and sticking it in people's faces and repeating the same criticism a thousand times in different threads. It's not at all about liking or not liking the album.......it's the way you talk, your tone, your attitude, etc.   BTW, I know you don't like CA much, but which song do you gravitate towards?   For me, CA is not perfect, but I'm enjoying it a lot...enjoying it more than any recent Rush record. That's all I can say. WAY too early to compare it to any of their decades old albums.

[Gedneil Alpeart]

QUOTE (CantStopThinkingBig @ Jun 25 2012, 08:59 PM)

single mix... they should have kept the same mix on the album. It's like they said "ok, let's remix these two songs for the album... let's just lower the drums, turn up the keys/effects and add some weird effects to the bass. That should do it..."

I agree with that. They turned up the bass and mid range at the expense of the treble. I do wish they kept the single mix too.

[WCFIELDS]

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 07:59 PM)

QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 25 2012, 08:53 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 07:37 PM) QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 25 2012, 08:27 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:05 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM) Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had. Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion. He must be listening to the album, with his "STUDIO' haedphones. A very unhappy little man. It's freakin ridiculous. I should ignore him, but it's hard to when in almost every thread he's saying something or another to spite this record.....and many times he does it in not so obvious ways as try and appear innocent.....I don't know how many times I've heard him say it's only better than TFE, VT, and S and A.......and doesn't even come CLOSE to anything pre Presto...I've heard him say that in various threads over and over and over..........JESUS CHRIST!!!!   Really wish there was a blocking function on this thing so I don't have to read another F### anti CA post of his again. F###!!!! Maybe he will warm up to it? LOL...I like your sense of humor.....   As for you, you are cool with me. See, you don't like the album much, but you don't go about putting it down every chance you get and sticking it in people's faces and repeating the same criticism a thousand times in different threads. It's not at all about liking or not liking the album.......it's the way you talk, your tone, your attitude, etc.   BTW, I know you don't like CA much, but which song do you gravitate towards?   For me, CA is not perfect, but I'm enjoying it a lot...enjoying it more than any recent Rush record. That's all I can say. WAY too early to compare it to any of their decades old albums. I like about half of it.....CA, The Anarchist, and The Garden would be my favs...

[trenken]

QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:37 PM)

QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 25 2012, 08:27 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jun 25 2012, 08:05 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 25 2012, 07:52 PM) Single by a mile. The single has much more punch to it. Just listen to the drums. They were killed on the album. The single versions of Caravan and BU2B both sound better than the entire album. They had a lot more balls and were changed to match the rest of the songs, and now none of them have as much power as those 2 singles had. Drums are not "killed" and no, the single versions are not better than the whole album. Give me a freakin break dude. I notice that at every opportunity almost in every thread, you say things to minimize and put down this album to no end. Fine, you dont like the record, but you keep saying that in various forms almost all the time. You also said you didnt like us Rush fans, this forum, or the mods very vehemently. I dont get you dude. Why such spite? Why do you post on the CA forum if you hate CA so much? Your negativity is completely off the charts......way beyond just expressing opinion. He must be listening to the album, with his "STUDIO' haedphones. A very unhappy little man. It's freakin ridiculous. I should ignore him, but it's hard to when in almost every thread he's saying something or another to spite this record.....and many times he does it in not so obvious ways as try and appear innocent.....I don't know how many times I've heard him say it's only better than TFE, VT, and S and A.......and doesn't even come CLOSE to anything pre Presto...I've heard him say that in various threads over and over and over..........JESUS CHRIST!!!!   Really wish there was a blocking function on this thing so I don't have to read another F### anti CA post of his again. F###!!!! Go ahead and ignore me. I dont even know who you are. Listen to the drums in the single versions, then listen to them on the albums version and try to tell me you think they sound better. Listen to that kick drum in the single version. Blast it on a good stereo, or through studio headphones, or in a decent car system. It kicks ass. Then put the album version on. If you cant hear the difference then there's no helping you.   Only way Ill ever believe anyone thinks the album version sounds better you're listening on an ipod with earbuds where you cant tell the difference anyway.   You fanboys are ridiculous. I cant mention that the drums sound worse now? Go post both versions on any recording forum, like say the Logic forums on apple.com, let me know which version they tell you sounds better. I already know every single person there will tell you the singles sound better. Go ahead and try and argue with those guys. You'll look like a total idiot.

Edited June 26, 2012 by trenken