circumstantial tree Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 9 2009, 02:37 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Dec 9 2009, 11:34 AM) Just because it's on the bottom of the list doesn't mean ya hate the album. I hate the one at the bottom of my list, but it's the only one I outright "hate." same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Cocky Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 9 2009, 11:55 AM) As far as I'm concerned, Neil is only 33% of the band. Rush made good music even before he joined. My opinion of course. Vocals - Geddy Bass - Geddy Guitars - Alex Drums/Percussion - Neil Songwriting - Neil Seems to me that Neil is 40% of the band (2/5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Dec 10 2009, 07:49 AM) QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 9 2009, 11:55 AM) As far as I'm concerned, Neil is only 33% of the band. Rush made good music even before he joined. My opinion of course. Vocals - Geddy Bass - Geddy Guitars - Alex Drums/Percussion - Neil Songwriting - Neil Seems to me that Neil is 40% of the band (2/5). Ged and Al write the music.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (savagegrace26 @ Dec 9 2009, 11:22 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 9 2009, 09:11 AM) QUOTE (jdouglas @ Dec 9 2009, 06:25 AM) Why is there no love for the 1st album here? I don't get the hate for this album either - it rocks and it's awesome. Maybe, but it doesn't really have the qualities for why we love Rush. It's like a different band. I'd listen to Roll the Bones over it any day. I have it at #12. If it had Neil's drumming on it I'd have it around 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Wilderness_of_Mirrors @ Dec 6 2009, 09:12 PM) 1. Moving Pictures 2. Vapor Trails (call me crazy) 3. Permanent Waves 4. Hemispheres 5. Grace Under Pressure 6. Hold Your Fire 7. Snakes & Arrows 8. 2112 9. Signals 10. Power Windows 11. A Farwewell To Kings 12. Roll The Bones 13. Test For Echo 14. Fly By Night 15. Counterparts 16. Presto 17. Rush 18. Caress Of Steel CLOSE!.....BUT NO CIGAR... swap 18 for 2 and we are 100% on the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (Pound of Obscure @ Dec 10 2009, 08:27 AM) QUOTE (savagegrace26 @ Dec 9 2009, 11:22 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 9 2009, 09:11 AM) QUOTE (jdouglas @ Dec 9 2009, 06:25 AM) Why is there no love for the 1st album here? I don't get the hate for this album either - it rocks and it's awesome. Maybe, but it doesn't really have the qualities for why we love Rush. It's like a different band. I'd listen to Roll the Bones over it any day. I have it at #12. If it had Neil's drumming on it I'd have it around 6. For the type of music it is, which is just ass-kicking rock and roll, I think Rutsey does a great job. It's only because Neil Peart is the best drummer in rock music that people put Rutsey down imho - ANYONE is going to suffer by comparison. Still, I love that album. Sure you can say that it would have been even better musically if Peart was drumming, but then again if he was with the band, that album would have been totally different and wouldn't exist as it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Kid Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 1) Vapor Trails 2) Counterparts 3) Grace Under Pressure 4) Moving Pictures 5) Permanent Waves 6) Snakes and Arrows 7) Presto 8) Power Windows 9) Hold Your Fire 10) Test for Echo 11) A Farewell to Kings 12) Hemispheres 13) Roll the Bones 14) Signals 15) 2112 16) Fly By Night 17) Caress of Steel 18) Rush Ranked in order of having greatest effect on myself, as you can not say one form of art is "greater" than another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PariahDog Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 QUOTE (New World Kid @ Dec 10 2009, 05:10 PM)7) Presto 10) Test for Echo 11) A Farewell to Kings 12) Hemispheres Interesting how we all see the world differently. From first to worst, I would say: Moving Pictures Permanent Waves Hemispheres A Farwewell To Kings 2112 Signals Power Windows Grace Under Pressure Hold Your Fire Caress Of Steel Fly By Night Snakes & Arrows Counterparts Presto Roll The Bones Vapor Trails Rush Test For Echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrinx Priest Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 1. Hemispheres 2, Permanent Waves 3. 2112 4. Moving Pictures 5. Snakes and Arrows 6. Presto 7. Fly By Night 8. Signals 9. A Farewell to Kings 10. Rush 11. Hold Your Fire 12. Grace Under Pressure 13. Caress of Steel 14. Counterparts 15. Power Windows 16. Roll The Bones 17. Test For Echo 18. Vapor Trails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spindrift82 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 The Absolute Favorites 1. A Farewell To Kings 2. Moving Pictures 3. Grace Under Pressure 4. 2112 5. Signals 6. Power Windows 7. Hold Your Fire 8. Permanent Waves 9. Hemispheres 10. Snakes & Arrows The middle ground 11.Fly By Night 12.Counterparts 13.Test For Echo 14. Vapor Trails The low end of the curve 15. Roll The Bones 16. Presto 17. Caress Of Steel 18. Rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (PariahDog @ Dec 10 2009, 03:56 PM) QUOTE (New World Kid @ Dec 10 2009, 05:10 PM)7) Presto 10) Test for Echo 11) A Farewell to Kings 12) Hemispheres Interesting how we all see the world differently. From first to worst, I would say: Moving Pictures Permanent Waves Hemispheres A Farwewell To Kings 2112 Signals Power Windows Grace Under Pressure Hold Your Fire Caress Of Steel Fly By Night Snakes & Arrows Counterparts Presto Roll The Bones Vapor Trails Rush Test For Echo This is probably the closest to my list I've ever seen, with the one notable exception that I rate their first album MUCH higher. Otherwise, it's somewhat close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 18 2009, 07:16 PM)QUOTE (PariahDog @ Dec 10 2009, 03:56 PM) QUOTE (New World Kid @ Dec 10 2009, 05:10 PM)7) Presto 10) Test for Echo 11) A Farewell to Kings 12) Hemispheres Interesting how we all see the world differently. From first to worst, I would say: Moving Pictures Permanent Waves Hemispheres A Farwewell To Kings 2112 Signals Power Windows Grace Under Pressure Hold Your Fire Caress Of Steel Fly By Night Snakes & Arrows Counterparts Presto Roll The Bones Vapor Trails Rush Test For Echo This is probably the closest to my list I've ever seen, with the one notable exception that I rate their first album MUCH higher. Otherwise, it's somewhat close. Yeah, same here. Here's my list: Moving Pictures Permanent Waves Hemispheres A Farwewell To Kings Signals 2112 Power Windows Grace Under Pressure Hold Your Fire Counterparts Fly By Night Rush Vapor Trails Snakes & Arrows Caress of Steel Presto Roll The Bones Test For Echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A long awaited friend Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 1. 2112 2. Moving Pictures 3. Permanent Waves 4. Hemispheres 5. Signals 6. A Farewell To Kings 7. Fly By Night 8. Caress Of Steel 9. Grace Under Pressure 10. Snakes And Arrows 11. Counterparts 12. Vapour Trails 13. Power Windows 14. Test For Echo 15. Roll The Bones 16. Rush 17. Feedback 18. Presto 19. Hold Your Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Cocky Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (A long awaited friend @ Dec 18 2009, 10:37 AM) 17. Feedback 18. Presto 19. Hold Your Fire Wow.....Feedback beats out Presto and HYF. Tis a slap to Presto and HYF lovers everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Dec 18 2009, 08:54 AM) QUOTE (A long awaited friend @ Dec 18 2009, 10:37 AM) 17. Feedback 18. Presto 19. Hold Your Fire Wow.....Feedback beats out Presto and HYF. Tis a slap to Presto and HYF lovers everywhere. I would put Feedback ahead of: Presto Roll The Bones Test For Echo Vapor Trails At least with Feedback I can listen to the whole thing, even though I rarely choose to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Cocky Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I have Presto at #8 on my list, so I'd have to disagree with that. I also have TFE at #11. But HYF, VT and RTB are in my bottom 4 anyway, so no problems there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyRulz Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Gee, we've never done this before! Aw, what the heck. Here's my ranking today: 1. Moving Pictures 2. Permanent Waves 3. A Farewell To Kings 4. Signals 5. Hold Your Fire 6. Counterparts 7. Hemispheres 8. 2112 9. Power Windows 10. Caress of Steel 11. Presto 12. Vapor Trails 13. Fly By Night 14. Snakes and Arrows 15. Grace Under Pressure 16. Test for Echo 17. Rush 18. Roll the Bones Top third and bottom third don't really change much, it's those ones in the middle which fluctuate and change places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Dec 18 2009, 09:03 AM) I have Presto at #8 on my list, so I'd have to disagree with that. I also have TFE at #11. But HYF, VT and RTB are in my bottom 4 anyway, so no problems there. RTB, and especially VT, aren't fit to wipe HYF's butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostworks Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 sd's tiered rating style was interesting (although I added another 'tier) - and of course, I didn't agree with the rankings - therefore: Perfect Signals Moving Pictures Permanent Waves Almost Perfect Caress of Steel Grace Under Pressure Power Windows Vapor Trails Pretty Damn Good Rush Fly By Night AFTK Hemispheres Hold Your Fire Presto Counterparts Not Quite Their Best Test For Echo Snakes And Arrows Almost Garbage 2112 (excepting Something For Nothing and Lessons, which are basically two FBN-like 'leftovers', this is the most bloated and over-rated album of their career - taking the blues and the soul out of Caress Of Steel was a silly move, and they knew it - as proof, they changed directions immediately [see AFTK, Hemispheres, etc] Roll The Bones (Dreamline and Ghost Of A Chance save this one from the 'toss' pile... just) Feedback (rip Crossroads to a pc and get rid of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ghostworks Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 18 2009, 10:58 AM)QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Dec 18 2009, 08:54 AM) QUOTE (A long awaited friend @ Dec 18 2009, 10:37 AM) 17. Feedback 18. Presto 19. Hold Your Fire Wow.....Feedback beats out Presto and HYF. Tis a slap to Presto and HYF lovers everywhere. I would put Feedback ahead of: Presto Roll The Bones Test For Echo Vapor Trails At least with Feedback I can listen to the whole thing, even though I rarely choose to... Not listening to albums beginning to end has never been a problem for me. From a very young age, I was interested in making mix-tapes, recording and so on (I'm a performing and recording musician with a recording studio as an adult). I've always found it enjoyable to impose my own editing to albums that haven't met my 'standards' - ultimately, I'm left with nothing but the best... how can I lose? I've been listening to Rush since 1980, and a diehard fan since 1982 (Signals broke my world wide open). HYF was the first Rush record for me that included 'filler' material. Here was music on a Rush album that - for the first time - felt like it was included because they had the space available, not because they were 100% behind it (Second Nature, Tai Shan, High Water all would've been scrapped from a 'traditional' length album.) From then on, Rush (to date) has never again released an album without some 'filler'. However, there seemed to always be some fantastic music within these records, regardless of how long the overall playing time continued to grow. By the time Presto was released, I had begun to edit/combine albums to more personally reflect what I thought were Rush's continuing strengths. Presto & RTB became one fantastic album: Dreamline Chain Lightning The Pass Scars Bravado GOAC Hand Over Fist Show Don't Tell Available Light Counterparts & T4E were consolidated similarly: Stick It Out Driven Cut To The Chase Alien Shore Totem Time & Motion Double Agent Test For Echo Vapor Trails was that rare exception - with just 15 minutes trimmed from it (CU, How It Is, OOTC) it's near-perfect. Exceptionally stunning and gratifying, considering the 16 years of releases that had preceded it. But with S&A we were back to Rush's 'golden ratio' - at 30 to 40 minutes, they seem to achieve near-perfect collections of music (PeW, MP, Sig, p/g) . Any longer, and they almost uniformly succumb to a disappointing pop-rock mediocrity (I always hoped we'd get more instrumentals, jams and truly experimental chances given an 80 minute format - the proof is obvious that Rush are far too careful and insecure for such 'reckless' behavior.) "Far Cry" 5:18 "Armor and Sword" 6:40 "Spindrift" 5:23 "The Way the Wind Blows" 6:28 "Bravest Face" 5:11 "Malignant Narcissism" 2:15 "We Hold On" 4:11 - that's about 35 minutes. Right on the money. No filler. No sleepy, middle-of-the-road AOR time-wasters. No formulaic verse/chorus/verse style instrumentals (do none of them remember LVS?) Even so, 27 years after my Signals 'awakening', after all that's been released since then, I'm still excited at the news that Rush are considering heading into the studio. Soon. New Rush music. The prospect of new Rush music. It gets the adrenaline moving, even now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PariahDog Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 18 2009, 05:16 AM)QUOTE (PariahDog @ Dec 10 2009, 03:56 PM) QUOTE (New World Kid @ Dec 10 2009, 05:10 PM)7) Presto 10) Test for Echo 11) A Farewell to Kings 12) Hemispheres Interesting how we all see the world differently. From first to worst, I would say: Moving Pictures Permanent Waves Hemispheres A Farwewell To Kings 2112 Signals Power Windows Grace Under Pressure Hold Your Fire Caress Of Steel Fly By Night Snakes & Arrows Counterparts Presto Roll The Bones Vapor Trails Rush Test For Echo This is probably the closest to my list I've ever seen, with the one notable exception that I rate their first album MUCH higher. Otherwise, it's somewhat close. Yeah, I could have easily put the debut up a little higher, above VT, RTB, and Presto. I actually "rediscovered" and became quite obsessed with the debut a while back. I'm pretty sure it was the debut that caused me to finally get a Les Paul after years of playing Strats. There is a definite charm to the debut, with the creamy Les Paul tones (still some of Alex's best) and the blues rock/Cream vibe. The only thing that knocks it down a bit for me are the lyrics and a couple of weak tracks (Here Again, Before and After). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GrandDesigner Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Power Windows Presto Grace Under Pressure Signals Hemispheres Counterparts Hold Your Fire Permanent Waves Moving Pictures A Farewell To Kings 2112 Test For Echo Caress Of Steel Snakes & Arrows Vapor Trails Fly By Night Roll The Boners Rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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