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46 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said:

I only have the Dawn Patrol CD. Not familiar with the above album at all. Before I listen, is it still Jeff Watson and Brad Gillis on guitars?

Watson left, and so did Jack Blades (to Damn Yankees), and the keyboard player Alan "Fitz" Gerald already left in 1988. So it was just Gillis and drummer/singer Kelly Keagy, plus one other guy called Moon, so they were reduced to a three piece. 

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1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said:

I only have the Dawn Patrol CD. Not familiar with the above album at all. Before I listen, is it still Jeff Watson and Brad Gillis on guitars?

 

15 minutes ago, treeduck said:

Watson left, and so did Jack Blades (to Damn Yankees), and the keyboard player Alan "Fitz" Gerald already left in 1988. So it was just Gillis and drummer/singer Kelly Keagy, plus one other guy called Moon, so they were reduced to a three piece. 

 

Not sure I'm sold on that lineup. What I liked about the Gillis/Watson pairing is that Gillis' frenetic whammy bar style was balanced by Watson's precise melodicism. I wouldn't mind Watson by himself but not Gillis (for instance, I didn't like Gillis when he was with Ozzy). I'll give the first couple of songs a listen.

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41 minutes ago, treeduck said:

Watson left, and so did Jack Blades (to Damn Yankees), and the keyboard player Alan "Fitz" Gerald already left in 1988. So it was just Gillis and drummer/singer Kelly Keagy, plus one other guy called Moon, so they were reduced to a three piece. 

I wonder if that Moon guy ever was ever in a sex tape? If so, there's probably some footage of Moon's unit. :scared:

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Posted
30 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said:

 

 

Not sure I'm sold on that lineup. What I liked about the Gillis/Watson pairing is that Gillis' frenetic whammy bar style was balanced by Watson's precise melodicism. I wouldn't mind Watson by himself but not Gillis (for instance, I didn't like Gillis when he was with Ozzy). I'll give the first couple of songs a listen.

You didn't like Gillis with Ozzy? Did you not like his take on those Sabbath classics? I think it's a great album.

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34 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said:

 

 

Not sure I'm sold on that lineup. What I liked about the Gillis/Watson pairing is that Gillis' frenetic whammy bar style was balanced by Watson's precise melodicism. I wouldn't mind Watson by himself but not Gillis (for instance, I didn't like Gillis when he was with Ozzy). I'll give the first couple of songs a listen.

Hey did you know Holdsworth played on a Jeff Watson album, along with Steve Morse and Steve Smith?

 

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2 hours ago, treeduck said:

Watson left, and so did Jack Blades (to Damn Yankees), and the keyboard player Alan "Fitz" Gerald already left in 1988. So it was just Gillis and drummer/singer Kelly Keagy, plus one other guy called Moon, so they were reduced to a three piece. 

 

1 hour ago, BastillePark said:

I wonder if that Moon guy ever was ever in a sex tape? If so, there's probably some footage of Moon's unit. :scared:

 

BOO THIS MAN! :bitchslap:

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8 hours ago, treeduck said:

Hey did you know Holdsworth played on a Jeff Watson album, along with Steve Morse and Steve Smith?

 

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Oh my god, this cover. 

 

"Here, kids, is why artwork is such an important gateway to the music!"

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Nova Carmina said:

 

Oh my god, this cover. 

 

"Here, kids, is why artwork is such an important gateway to the music!"

looks like a high school art project.

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Jeff Watson also played on the song Cut To The Chase on The Steve Morse Band's album Southern Steel.

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Maverick said:

Jeff Watson also played on the song Cut To The Chase on The Steve Morse Band's album Southern Steel.

He also played on Tony MacAlpine's Maximum Security album along with George Lynch.

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Posted
12 hours ago, treeduck said:

Hey did you know Holdsworth played on a Jeff Watson album, along with Steve Morse and Steve Smith?

 

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4 hours ago, Nova Carmina said:

 

Oh my god, this cover. 

 

"Here, kids, is why artwork is such an important gateway to the music!"

 

That cover should be on every top-20 worst album covers list. Good song, though -- Allan and Jeff are ripping it up.

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1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said:

 

 

That cover should be on every top-20 worst album covers list. Good song, though -- Allan and Jeff are ripping it up.

Holdsworth disowned that album a few years later. It was listed on his website bio under "Albums I wish I hadn't done" along with the Jon Stevens album he did.

 

I found this though:

 

JEFF WATSON REMEMBERS “FOREST OF FEELING”.


In a recent post in the Unreal Allan Holdsworth Group, someone posted a YouTube link to “Forest Of Feeling” from Jeff Watson’s “Lone Ranger” album. The track features Allan playing a nice chordal theme, as well as him trading solos with Jeff. The tune itself is very much in Jeff’s style of high energy instrumental rock. Jeff is a rocker with great tone, technique, feel and phrasing. Someone suggested in the comments that due to the two guitarists trading solos, this was a guitar duel type thing, which led Jeff himself to make a few comments. The comments are edited together here, with only slight typesetting changes for clarity, and posted with Jeff’s approval.


Jeff: “Allan and I were friends, and there’s definitely no ‘duelling’ here, as I’m just a self taught plunker, and Allan is... well.. Allan... Our playing here is just what we were feeling at the time... Allan was staying here at The Camp [ed. note: Jeff’s studio], we were checking out some of my studio gear, and he settled on one of my old rack mounted ADA Stereo Tapped Delay units, and used his guitar directly through the ADA to record his clean guitar harmonies at the front, middle, and end of song. He used my Boogie 1x12” 50 Caliber amp for solo parts, and must have moved the SM57 on the speaker 20 times by a quarter inch or so until he had the “sweet spot” to his ears. We were cutting on 2” tape then, and he erased more amazing solos than I’ll ever have time to remember.. drove me nuts.. I’d go running up to the studio yelling at him “Allan!! That’s the one!!” Red light on, performance gone. Shit!! Ended up giving him one of my two ADA units, which went home with him in his suitcase, and I still have the one he used in the rack with his chalk-marked settings on it. Now... My solos? What a joke... flailing away as best I could as a confused '80s guitar player WAY out of my depth. All that said, I love Allan, and his sense of humor and knowledge about outside things was very fun to experience, and I’ll never take for granted the days and nights we spent laughing....”


“Allan didn’t like his performances or mix of the finished product. He and I spoke and emailed after he did a couple interviews where he would dismiss his performances, and what bugged him (and still bugs me...) is that we both feel his solos were mixed a bit low. Allan wasn’t aware at the time that I didn’t mix the song/album and had nothing to do with any of it once it left my studio, and he felt bad and apologized profusely for saying whatever negative things he said about the project.. One thing I do remember well about those times is that Allan hated everything he ever played or recorded, and couldn’t be talked out of it... Frustrating as hell, as I’ve never seen or heard anyone with his level of knowledge and ability... but that’s just Allan’s humility and self deprecating nature.”

 

 

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added some paragraph breaks to make it easier to read.
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Posted
1 hour ago, treeduck said:

Holdsworth disowned that album a few years later. It was listed on his website bio under "Albums I wish I hadn't done" along with the Jon Stevens album he did.

 

I found this though:

 

JEFF WATSON REMEMBERS “FOREST OF FEELING”.


In a recent post in the Unreal Allan Holdsworth Group, someone posted a YouTube link to “Forest Of Feeling” from Jeff Watson’s “Lone Ranger” album. The track features Allan playing a nice chordal theme, as well as him trading solos with Jeff. The tune itself is very much in Jeff’s style of high energy instrumental rock. Jeff is a rocker with great tone, technique, feel and phrasing. Someone suggested in the comments that due to the two guitarists trading solos, this was a guitar duel type thing, which led Jeff himself to make a few comments. The comments are edited together here, with only slight typesetting changes for clarity, and posted with Jeff’s approval.


Jeff: “Allan and I were friends, and there’s definitely no ‘duelling’ here, as I’m just a self taught plunker, and Allan is... well.. Allan... Our playing here is just what we were feeling at the time... Allan was staying here at The Camp [ed. note: Jeff’s studio], we were checking out some of my studio gear, and he settled on one of my old rack mounted ADA Stereo Tapped Delay units, and used his guitar directly through the ADA to record his clean guitar harmonies at the front, middle, and end of song. He used my Boogie 1x12” 50 Caliber amp for solo parts, and must have moved the SM57 on the speaker 20 times by a quarter inch or so until he had the “sweet spot” to his ears. We were cutting on 2” tape then, and he erased more amazing solos than I’ll ever have time to remember.. drove me nuts.. I’d go running up to the studio yelling at him “Allan!! That’s the one!!” Red light on, performance gone. Shit!! Ended up giving him one of my two ADA units, which went home with him in his suitcase, and I still have the one he used in the rack with his chalk-marked settings on it. Now... My solos? What a joke... flailing away as best I could as a confused '80s guitar player WAY out of my depth. All that said, I love Allan, and his sense of humor and knowledge about outside things was very fun to experience, and I’ll never take for granted the days and nights we spent laughing....”


“Allan didn’t like his performances or mix of the finished product. He and I spoke and emailed after he did a couple interviews where he would dismiss his performances, and what bugged him (and still bugs me...) is that we both feel his solos were mixed a bit low. Allan wasn’t aware at the time that I didn’t mix the song/album and had nothing to do with any of it once it left my studio, and he felt bad and apologized profusely for saying whatever negative things he said about the project.. One thing I do remember well about those times is that Allan hated everything he ever played or recorded, and couldn’t be talked out of it... Frustrating as hell, as I’ve never seen or heard anyone with his level of knowledge and ability... but that’s just Allan’s humility and self deprecating nature.”

 

 

 

Seems like Holdsworth hated every piece of music from his past. I can still listen to his work on Bruford's One Of A Kind or his earlier solo records and fully enjoy his playing, but he would probably cringe at just the thought of them.

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15 hours ago, BastillePark said:

I wonder if that Moon guy ever was ever in a sex tape? If so, there's probably some footage of Moon's unit. :scared:

 

Gag me with a spoon!

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Posted
57 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said:

 

Seems like Holdsworth hated every piece of music from his past. I can still listen to his work on Bruford's One Of A Kind or his earlier solo records and fully enjoy his playing, but he would probably cringe at just the thought of them.

Yeah Allan didn't even think much of his live performances immediately after a show. A lot of artists aren't all that impressed with their own work but Holdsworth must be at the top of that list. As a music fan though you can't worry about what the artist thinks of their own material, even Geddy and Neil claimed to hate some really top RUSH tracks, that's never put me off though.

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This is the only NR album I dislike

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On 1/22/2025 at 7:46 PM, treeduck said:

Holdsworth disowned that album a few years later. It was listed on his website bio under "Albums I wish I hadn't done" along with the Jon Stevens album he did.

 

I found this though:

 

JEFF WATSON REMEMBERS “FOREST OF FEELING”.


In a recent post in the Unreal Allan Holdsworth Group, someone posted a YouTube link to “Forest Of Feeling” from Jeff Watson’s “Lone Ranger” album. The track features Allan playing a nice chordal theme, as well as him trading solos with Jeff. The tune itself is very much in Jeff’s style of high energy instrumental rock. Jeff is a rocker with great tone, technique, feel and phrasing. Someone suggested in the comments that due to the two guitarists trading solos, this was a guitar duel type thing, which led Jeff himself to make a few comments. The comments are edited together here, with only slight typesetting changes for clarity, and posted with Jeff’s approval.


Jeff: “Allan and I were friends, and there’s definitely no ‘duelling’ here, as I’m just a self taught plunker, and Allan is... well.. Allan... Our playing here is just what we were feeling at the time... Allan was staying here at The Camp [ed. note: Jeff’s studio], we were checking out some of my studio gear, and he settled on one of my old rack mounted ADA Stereo Tapped Delay units, and used his guitar directly through the ADA to record his clean guitar harmonies at the front, middle, and end of song. He used my Boogie 1x12” 50 Caliber amp for solo parts, and must have moved the SM57 on the speaker 20 times by a quarter inch or so until he had the “sweet spot” to his ears. We were cutting on 2” tape then, and he erased more amazing solos than I’ll ever have time to remember.. drove me nuts.. I’d go running up to the studio yelling at him “Allan!! That’s the one!!” Red light on, performance gone. Shit!! Ended up giving him one of my two ADA units, which went home with him in his suitcase, and I still have the one he used in the rack with his chalk-marked settings on it. Now... My solos? What a joke... flailing away as best I could as a confused '80s guitar player WAY out of my depth. All that said, I love Allan, and his sense of humor and knowledge about outside things was very fun to experience, and I’ll never take for granted the days and nights we spent laughing....”


“Allan didn’t like his performances or mix of the finished product. He and I spoke and emailed after he did a couple interviews where he would dismiss his performances, and what bugged him (and still bugs me...) is that we both feel his solos were mixed a bit low. Allan wasn’t aware at the time that I didn’t mix the song/album and had nothing to do with any of it once it left my studio, and he felt bad and apologized profusely for saying whatever negative things he said about the project.. One thing I do remember well about those times is that Allan hated everything he ever played or recorded, and couldn’t be talked out of it... Frustrating as hell, as I’ve never seen or heard anyone with his level of knowledge and ability... but that’s just Allan’s humility and self deprecating nature.”

 

 

Yeah there's something muted on Allan's solo here, it doesn't cut through.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Segue Myles said:

This is the only NR album I dislike

It's only really like a Half Ranger album with only two of the originals plus this Moon guy.

 

I notice in the new line-up they have a keyboard player who dresses like "Fitz" Gerald, with the hat and glasses and beard, and the odd stance with the feet too close together. He's a Fitz wannabe!

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