_hi_water._ Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 "Turn The Page" has been eliminated. 10. "Tai Shan"9. "High Water"8. "Second Nature"7. "Lock And Key"6. "Open Secrets"5. "Turn The Page" LAST ROUND TO IMMUNIZE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Time for the chamber music, with kind of a f**k you fans message, to go. We're a long way from.2112 here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_hi_water._ Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 So now it's down to Force Ten, Time Stand Still, Prime Mover, and Mission. I'm fine with whatever song wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Edited May 23, 2021 by laughedatbytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) I withdrew my votes for this round in protest. Edited May 23, 2021 by Maverick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Mission is a top 3 song easy. And if this goes how I want it the top three will be just as I predicted a few threads ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepphead Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 A pretty fair last four. I chose to eliminate Mission as I just prefer the other three! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezJem Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 A pretty fair last four.I chose to eliminate Mission as I just prefer the other three!Mission is all very nice as a soaring and uplifting number, but it feels like a frivolous use of the three band members in question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_hi_water._ Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes.Maybe there could definitely be a better term than "immune". But the purpose of "immune" is to take away 'eliminate' points. For example if a song had 5 eliminate votes, but 3 immune votes, then it would only count as 2 eliminate votes. Immune could sometimes mean the song is immune for that round, but in some cases, no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I withdrew my votes for this round in protest.That'll show 'em! I agree with you, though. Immune should be immune, and the next eliminated track should go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes.Maybe there could definitely be a better term than "immune". Maybe, definitely, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes.Maybe there could definitely be a better term than "immune". But the purpose of "immune" is to take away 'eliminate' points. For example if a song had 5 eliminate votes, but 3 immune votes, then it would only count as 2 eliminate votes. Immune could sometimes mean the song is immune for that round, but in some cases, no. Did you ever spell that out in the scores of polls you've made? Immune means immune from elimination, not "less hurt." To me it looks like the rules are being changed in the middle of the game to achieve a desired outcome by the person running the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezJem Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I think it`s just the perspective of the voter - I want to eliminate ____ and I would immunize _____. That`s my reading of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes.Maybe there could definitely be a better term than "immune". But the purpose of "immune" is to take away 'eliminate' points. For example if a song had 5 eliminate votes, but 3 immune votes, then it would only count as 2 eliminate votes. Immune could sometimes mean the song is immune for that round, but in some cases, no. Did you ever spell that out in the scores of polls you've made? Immune means immune from elimination, not "less hurt." To me it looks like the rules are being changed in the middle of the game to achieve a desired outcome by the person running the poll.Fraud!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 It's Prime Time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_hi_water._ Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes.Maybe there could definitely be a better term than "immune". But the purpose of "immune" is to take away 'eliminate' points. For example if a song had 5 eliminate votes, but 3 immune votes, then it would only count as 2 eliminate votes. Immune could sometimes mean the song is immune for that round, but in some cases, no. Did you ever spell that out in the scores of polls you've made? Immune means immune from elimination, not "less hurt." To me it looks like the rules are being changed in the middle of the game to achieve a desired outcome by the person running the poll.Nope - rules have always been the same. But... if you'd like... I could give out the elimination results of every round - where I would show how many 'eliminate' votes each song got, and minus those 'eliminate' votes with the 'immune' votes. I hope I worded that okay enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your_Lion Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Would you care to explain how Turn The Page got the most votes for Immunity, but still got Eliminated? What good does winning Immunity have if it doesn't work?It's max(E - I), with the tb lost by the song with the most eliminate votes. Bullshit. Immunity is not conditional as in "This song is immune as long as it doesn't get the most votes to be eliminated."It's a fair way to run this, but perhaps hi-water could have used a different term than immune. Why bother with the concept at all if it's not going to mean anything? If a song gets the most immunity votes, but also gets the most elimination votes, it is immune, even if it gets more elimination votes than it got immunity votes.Maybe there could definitely be a better term than "immune". But the purpose of "immune" is to take away 'eliminate' points. For example if a song had 5 eliminate votes, but 3 immune votes, then it would only count as 2 eliminate votes. Immune could sometimes mean the song is immune for that round, but in some cases, no.That's how I've always understood the rules :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceaudity11 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I personally think that having "immunes" (whatever that means to the beholder) is a bit troublesome in the sense that it becomes more tactical than what songs we actually like best/actually want to keep around sometimes. It would be interesting to see how different the results would be if we just didn't have them at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your_Lion Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) I personally think that having "immunes" (whatever that means to the beholder) is a bit troublesome in the sense that it becomes more tactical than what songs we actually like best/actually want to keep around sometimes. It would be interesting to see how different the results would be if we just didn't have them at all.Without the immunities, the results would likely be just like they are in any other favourite song poll. Check the results in the Totem Polls subforum.It's the immunities, and the tactical voting nature, that actually turns it into more of a game (this IS in the games subforum, after all) Edited May 24, 2021 by Your_Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Just use keep instead of immune. There are probably dozens of words that would work. The concept is fine (it's the voting that's off when chamber music like Mission is still around.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I don't get the big love for Mission? It's decent but pretty pedestrian and plodding. Definitely not a candidate for best song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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