JohnRogers Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 This is an important subject that is not nearly covered enough. A subject I must admit I was horribly wrong aboot. A great man once said. Well I don't know that he is great. A brilliant man once said. Frankly I'm unsure how bright he actually is. A man once said. They insist it's a 70s album because it was recorded in the 70s, and people heard it in the 70s. In other words, because it is a 70s album.Although this man's name has been lost to history he is correct. The first track was played on FM radio before 1980. It's sound is the sound of HEMIspheres perfected. It is the cap that ends the 1970's. I DECLARE THE TRUTH...Permanent Waves is the last album of the 70's! As the official TRF ambassador of the album Permanent Waves I am the final word of authority on the subject. The debate is over. Mr 73 please close/lock this now. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Mr 73 please close/lock this now. NO!!! :D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That One Guy Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I always call TSOR the first song of the 80s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) When did the first reviews appear? 1979? Because if so, regardless of the release date, copies of the albums were already in the hands of journalists. Plus, days prior to the release date, the album was being pressed, covers printed, prepared for dispatch and sent early to stores awaiting the day when it could be placed on shelves. And who knows how many cheeky copies were played prior to the release date by impatient salesman in the office? Plus, does a decade start or end with a 0? I mean, if 80 is the start of the eighties, then surely the first digit we count on our hands should be zero? But zero has no substance, ten does. There was also historically no year zero. So...in theory the 80's began with 1981. Edited June 21, 2015 by Segue Myles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Calculating the start of a decade: https://sesquiotic.w...w-decade-begin/ "If you’re counting decades since the beginning of the counting of years, each decade ends at the end of the -0 year and begins at the beginning of the -1 year. So the current decade, if you’re making stacks of 10 like poker chips starting with AD 1, ends at the end of 2010." Edited June 21, 2015 by Segue Myles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 Segue Myles, another brilliant man. Excellent points, you have earned a cool beverage in the warm sun. Accompany that with some Girls in their Summer Clothes on the "radio". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Segue Myles, another brilliant man. Excellent points, you have earned a cool beverage in the warm sun. Accompany that with some Girls in their Summer Clothes on the "radio". Thank you! It's true though, if a new decade begins with a 0 year, then going back in time one should find a year 0. And we count with one being the smallest numerical digit, with 0 representing nothing. But if a 0 is used at the end, it represents a whole number, something of weight and substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Nerds. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The 80s are the years of the decade with (after the year 1000) the third digit starting with 8. The eighth decade of the 20th century (and all centuries) are the ones where the second to last digit of the year is a 7 (eg., 1971-1980), and the ninth decade of the century is one where the second to last digit of the year is an 8. But this is different than the first statement. The major point in the OP in this thread is, of course, not only accurate about but definitive with regard to this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Its an 80s album to me. If its a 70s album to you then that's what it is. To you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's. Edited June 21, 2015 by EagleMoon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I first heard Natural Science, Christmas Eve 1979. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Segue Myles, another brilliant man. Excellent points, you have earned a cool beverage in the warm sun. Accompany that with some Girls in their Summer Clothes on the "radio". Thank you! It's true though, if a new decade begins with a 0 year, then going back in time one should find a year 0. And we count with one being the smallest numerical digit, with 0 representing nothing. But if a 0 is used at the end, it represents a whole number, something of weight and substance. Babylonian scribe: Oh my GOD!! I've just invented the Zero!! Wife [Down the hall]: What was that?!! Babylonian scribe: Nothing...nothing..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I heard some of the tracks off Permanent Waves in 1979. Fact. It was recorded in 1979. Fact. It was written in 1979. Fact. It's a 70s album and anyone who says it isn't is off his/her head. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s. That's why that analogy is daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s.That's why that analogy is daft. But it's the correct one to say it's the 70's. :D Edited June 21, 2015 by EagleMoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s.That's why that analogy is daft. But it's the correct one to say it's the 70's. :D Well no. If you were born in Jan 1980 you'd look stupid declaring you were born in the 70s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s.That's why that analogy is daft. But it's the correct one to say it's the 70's. :D Well no. If you were born in Jan 1980 you'd look stupid declaring you were born in the 70s. But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s.That's why that analogy is daft. But it's the correct one to say it's the 70's. :D Well no. If you were born in Jan 1980 you'd look stupid declaring you were born in the 70s. But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception. Exactly. You don't just "become alive" when you're born, but when you're conceived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s.That's why that analogy is daft. But it's the correct one to say it's the 70's. :D Well no. If you were born in Jan 1980 you'd look stupid declaring you were born in the 70s. But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception. Exactly. You don't just "become alive" when you're born, but when you're conceived. It is so true, which is why I get confused when I hear of twins born on different days, and we count one as older than the other with a separate birth date... They are EXACTLY the same age regardless of what day they were birthed. What about when albums are delayed by the record company? Lacuna Coil released Dark Adrenaline six months later than they wished because the record label pushed it, but the band still refer to it as "the sound of our band in 2011". But the album itself was delayed, but ready for release in October the year before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception.You're approaching SOCN territory here. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 People keep thinking about when THEY heard the album, or when it was released, but honestly this music isn't ours, it belongs to Geddy, Alex and Neil. It's their creation, their blood sweat and tears..their baby so to speak..and it was conceived and created in the 70's.If you use the child analogy then it is the 80s.That's why that analogy is daft. But it's the correct one to say it's the 70's. :D Well no. If you were born in Jan 1980 you'd look stupid declaring you were born in the 70s. But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception. Exactly. You don't just "become alive" when you're born, but when you're conceived.Ignoring certain philosophical arguments, we consider people's birthdays from when they are born not conceived. It's a stupid analogy and you and Segue are being daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception.You're approaching SOCN territory here. ;)He's approaching numpty territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception.You're approaching SOCN territory here. ;)He's approaching numpty territory.He's right, not only on this point, obviously (and on the question in general though I believe for the wrong reason), it's just that his point is IMO, irrelevant to this particular discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 But if something went wrong with the pregnancy, you could very possibly have been born in the seventies...are you dead until you fall out the fleshy passage? No, you are alive from the moment of conception.You're approaching SOCN territory here. ;)He's approaching numpty territory. Ima numpty... If what I am saying is approaching SOCN territory I am sorry...maybe likening an album to pregnancy is a bit douchey lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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