puffyshirt Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Malignant Narcissism? Really? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Welcome back! :cheers: Just keep in mind that Peart's not attacking you personally, or just skip those songs. There are only a handful of them. Peart has talked about how there is good in each religion, so I don't think he's anti-religion. I feel that that perception is too broad a brushstroke.people of all faiths should appreciate "seekers", those who wrestle with reality to find what is true and good. Neil's in that boat IMO. Courageously he shares his life's journey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Grownup Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs? Something doesn't smell right 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs?Maybe he's referring to the fan video. Like you pointed out, the song has no lyrics. The fan video was made after MalNar's release. What I don't get is Sweet Miracle. Too blasphemous? It all seems pretty innocent to me. I wasn't walking on water I was standing on a reef When the tide came in Swept beneath the surface Lost without a trace No hope at all No hope at all Oh - sweet miracle Oh - sweet miracle of life I wasn't walking with angels I was talking to myself Rising up to the surface Raging against the night Starless night Oh - sweet miracle Love's sweet miracle of life Oh salvationOh salvation I wasn't praying for magic I was hiding in plain sight Rising up from the surface To fly into the light 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Welcome back! :cheers: Just keep in mind that Peart's not attacking you personally, or just skip those songs. There are only a handful of them. Peart has talked about how there is good in each religion, so I don't think he's anti-religion. I feel that that perception is too broad a brushstroke.people of all faiths should appreciate "seekers", those who wrestle with reality to find what is true and good. Neil's in that boat IMO. Courageously he shares his life's journeySometimes I think he's got a bit of Lennon in his lyrics, the way Peart shares. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Welcome back! :cheers: Just keep in mind that Peart's not attacking you personally, or just skip those songs. There are only a handful of them. Peart has talked about how there is good in each religion, so I don't think he's anti-religion. I feel that that perception is too broad a brushstroke.people of all faiths should appreciate "seekers", those who wrestle with reality to find what is true and good. Neil's in that boat IMO. Courageously he shares his life's journeySometimes I think he's got a bit of Lennon in his lyrics, the way Peart shares.Totally see that. And dare I say John Mellencamp. Their lyrics have a similar yearning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about?I guess we could look at the bright side of this situation. The best of the Rush catalog is still available to you..... Guess I had better duck before I hit post......... :whip: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffyshirt Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs?Maybe he's referring to the fan video. Like you pointed out, the song has no lyrics. The fan video was made after MalNar's release. What I don't get is Sweet Miracle. Too blasphemous? It all seems pretty innocent to me. I wasn't walking on waterI was standing on a reefWhen the tide came inSwept beneath the surfaceLost without a traceNo hope at allNo hope at all Oh - sweet miracleOh - sweet miracle of life I wasn't walking with angelsI was talking to myselfRising up to the surfaceRaging against the nightStarless night Oh - sweet miracleLove's sweet miracle of life Oh salvationOh salvation I wasn't praying for magicI was hiding in plain sightRising up from the surfaceTo fly into the light It isn't blasphemous, but it is pretty literally talking about relying on one's self over a higher power during strife. Still, seem's a bit tacky to just write it off. Oh well, to each his own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs?Maybe he's referring to the fan video. Like you pointed out, the song has no lyrics. The fan video was made after MalNar's release. What I don't get is Sweet Miracle. Too blasphemous? It all seems pretty innocent to me. I wasn't walking on waterI was standing on a reefWhen the tide came inSwept beneath the surfaceLost without a traceNo hope at allNo hope at all Oh - sweet miracleOh - sweet miracle of life I wasn't walking with angelsI was talking to myselfRising up to the surfaceRaging against the nightStarless night Oh - sweet miracleLove's sweet miracle of life Oh salvationOh salvation I wasn't praying for magicI was hiding in plain sightRising up from the surfaceTo fly into the light It isn't blasphemous, but it is pretty literally talking about relying on one's self over a higher power during strife. Still, seem's a bit tacky to just write it off. Oh well, to each his own.You've figured it out! To each their own—now stop the subtle trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 :cheers: TM, I thought you would hammer me for that one....... :sigh: ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeze-Frame Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Malignant Narcissism? Really? Watch the music video. There's a reason they called the song that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeze-Frame Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Well, look at the bright side. Neil did say metaphorically that he's done with arguing about religion in Clockwork Angels or just the book. That's at least how I see it as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs? Something doesn't smell rightOoo, what's that smell? Turkey? Lerxster presents a shameless hijacking of this thread for a Thanksgiving Rush parody: Mission Turn on your oven's fire-Keep it burning bright Hold the flame 'til the turkey ignites-Thanksgiving spirit with a vision Is a meal with a mission I feel their passionate cooking Smell the scents That touch my heart I gaze at their feverish baking The secret recipes that set them apart When I smell the powerful aromas Their oven has made alive I wish I had that turkey-And the trimmings and the sides- Turkey's fly on dangerous missions Their breasts and legs on fire We're focused high on culinary ambitions Their consumption is our single desire In the grip of A nameless drumstick-A slave to get to that last lick-A Thanksgiving dream with a vision Is a meal with a mission... I watch the oven coils flicker Bringing light to a lifeless bird I walk through their beautiful kitchens And I wish I had their verve But meals don't need Over-seasoning To keep their taste alive Obsession to have cranberry sauce-Pride demands it be homemade It's warm comfort To those turkey's not being basted To know how they made it-How they must be elated Turkey's lives are not so Exotic and strange But they would likely have Gladly exchanged them For something a little less hot Cooked and carved they'd rather be not They each pay a fabulous price For our Thanksgiving paradise While a turkey meal is our mission It's our dream, not their vision... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILSnwdog Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) I took a break from Rush during the end of the 80s and into the early 90s. I used to be one of those people who couldn't get past the departure of Terry Brown, and the ensuing direction change in their sound. During that break, it allowed my musical taste to mature, and when I came back to Rush, I was able to really appreciate the post Brown era, and my love for Rush only got stronger. I was, for the first time, able to appreciate the fact that they didn't let their sound get stale, and reinventing themselves actually made their music better. Also, I'm a Christian, and Neal's lyrics have never bothered me. I don't view it as Neal bashing Christianity, but communicating his views on his terms. He's entitled to his views just as I'm entitled to mine. If more people had an attitude like that regarding beliefs, there would probably be a whole lot less fighting in the world. Edited November 27, 2013 by ILSnwdog 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librarian Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I've never been offended by Rush - in fact, I've been empowered by them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Grownup Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you don't mind me asking, what are the songs and or albums in question? I would completely get rid of Snakes & Arrows, but some songs are way too good to get rid of like Far Cry and Bravest Face. I know it's the band's opinions, but I don't feel really comfertable listening to lyrics that go against what I believe. I would be contradicting myself, kinda. I just won't listen to songs like: Tom SaywerRoll The BonesSweet MiracleThe Stars Looked DownArmor and SwordThe Way the Wind BlowsFaithlessMalignant NarcissismBU2B Much of these songs I haven't really cared to listen to in the first place, and there are many more songs that are much better than these. But I'm happy to be listening to Rush once again. My life really is much better with them. You lost me at Fall Out Boy Fall Out Boy is awesome. WTF are you talking about? How can an instrumental go against your religious beliefs? Something doesn't smell rightOoo, what's that smell? Turkey? Lerxster presents a shameless hijacking of this thread for a Thanksgiving Rush parody: Mission Turn on your oven's fire-Keep it burning brightHold the flame 'til the turkey ignites-Thanksgiving spirit with a vision Is a meal with a mission I feel their passionate cookingSmell the scentsThat touch my heartI gaze at their feverish bakingThe secret recipes that set them apart When I smell the powerful aromasTheir oven has made aliveI wish I had that turkey-And the trimmings and the sides- Turkey's fly on dangerous missionsTheir breasts and legs on fireWe're focused high on culinary ambitionsTheir consumption is our single desire In the grip ofA nameless drumstick-A slave to get to that last lick-A Thanksgiving dream with a visionIs a meal with a mission... I watch the oven coils flickerBringing light to a lifeless birdI walk through their beautiful kitchensAnd I wish I had their verve But meals don't needOver-seasoningTo keep their taste aliveObsession to have cranberry sauce-Pride demands it be homemade It's warm comfortTo those turkey's not being bastedTo know how they made it-How they must be elated Turkey's lives are not soExotic and strangeBut they would likely haveGladly exchanged themFor something a little less hotCooked and carved they'd rather be not They each pay a fabulous priceFor our Thanksgiving paradiseWhile a turkey meal is our missionIt's our dream, not their vision... :goodone: :notworthy: :ebert: :clap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I took a break from Rush during the end of the 80s and into the early 90s. I used to be one of those people who couldn't get past the departure of Terry Brown, and the ensuing direction change in their sound. During that break, it allowed my musical taste to mature, and when I came back to Rush, I was able to really appreciate the post Brown era, and my love for Rush only got stronger. I was, for the first time, able to appreciate the fact that they didn't let their sound get stale, and reinventing themselves actually made their music better. Also, I'm a Christian, and Neal's lyrics have never bothered me. I don't view it as Neal bashing Christianity, but communicating his views on his terms. He's entitled to his views just as I'm entitled to mine. If more people had an attitude like that regarding beliefs, they would probably be a whole lot less fighting in the world.I mostly agree with this (and followed a similar musical journey). I still found S&A pretty tedious musically (with a couple of notable exceptions) and lyrically, but CA was a return to greatness. Since about 2010, I've reconnected with Rush, and have since gained appreciation for HYF and especially VT. My now 17 year old son, who became a Rush fan and was exposed to their entire catalog at once, was also instrumental in regaining my appreciation for the band. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Malignant Narcissism? Really? Watch the music video. There's a reason they called the song that.The fan video was made after MalNar was written and released. The title comes from the movie Team America: World Police ... Lisa: "Usually a case of malignant narcissism brought on during childhood." That line from the movie is actually in the song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 What Rush thinks about religion or God, individually and collectively, mean nothing to me. When I die, not Geddy or Al or Neil will be standing with me at my judgment. And if it should turn out that they are all right - there is no God - I'll never know. I'm too old to be influenced by rockers or other personalities. Too old and too close to the end. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack jaw gaze Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Malignant Narcissism? Really? Watch the music video. There's a reason they called the song that.The fan video was made after MalNar was written and released.If something done by a fan after the fact can effect the opinion of a song, I'm sure I could ruin the whole catalog. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clem Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Malignant Narcissism? Really? Watch the music video. There's a reason they called the song that. I thought the video was made by a fan. (??) Clem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Dan Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hm, well welcome back to Rush, first of all :) For myself, I have a diverse collection of music and listen to stuff according to mood (like Yes when I need to mellow out and 'transcend'..or Dead Can Dance is good for that too. NIN when I'm really raging. REM when I'm whimsical, you get the idea). What is also true is that I go through phases where I listen to an artist a LOT for awhile, then my moods change and I listen to something else for awhile. But bands I come back to the most would defintiely include Rush, Yes, Eddie Vedder (and Pearl Jam), Dire Straits..those are probably the main ones. And Johnny Cash :) I'm also a Christian and Neil's lyrics don't bother me in the slightest. That can be different for each individual, so that's my opinon. I have mentioned previously in the TRF that I think 'Freewill' for example is sublime and I very much endorse that song. Free will is God's greatest gift to us besides his only Son. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgittes Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hey, I can see the anti-religious nature of Rush just in their name. For those old enough to remember the 80's, there was some school teacher who told his students the name was a moniker for Rebels Under Satan's Hand. Wait, are you telling me that isn't true???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I took a break from Rush during the end of the 80s and into the early 90s. I used to be one of those people who couldn't get past the departure of Terry Brown, and the ensuing direction change in their sound. During that break, it allowed my musical taste to mature, and when I came back to Rush, I was able to really appreciate the post Brown era, and my love for Rush only got stronger. I was, for the first time, able to appreciate the fact that they didn't let their sound get stale, and reinventing themselves actually made their music better. Also, I'm a Christian, and Neal's lyrics have never bothered me. I don't view it as Neal bashing Christianity, but communicating his views on his terms. He's entitled to his views just as I'm entitled to mine. If more people had an attitude like that regarding beliefs, there would probably be a whole lot less fighting in the world.With all due respect, you make it really difficult to not like you posts......... :) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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