tommyali Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Am I the only one on the planet? Too me, Snakes and Arrows is just a better album from start to finish. A beautiful album. I would put it in my top three all time Rush albums. Don't get me wrong, Clockwork rocks. And at times rocks even harder than S&A. I mean, there's some pretty intense playing on it. But sometimes it seems to go a little too long. It drags. And some songs I'm just not crazy about. And I am a huge Rush fan, I've never disliked anything. But this one seems to have a little more bark than bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 08:00 AM) Am I the only one on the planet? Too me, Snakes and Arrows is just a better album from start to finish. A beautiful album. I would put it in my top three all time Rush albums. Don't get me wrong, Clockwork rocks. And at times rocks even harder than S&A. I mean, there's some pretty intense playing on it. But sometimes it seems to go a little too long. It drags. And some songs I'm just not crazy about. And I am a huge Rush fan, I've never disliked anything. But this one seems to have a little more bark than bite. welcome to TRF, you'll love it here. There's this guy, his name is Metaldad...that's his opinion too...any chance you get to talk Snakes and Arrows with him is worth it. A big advocate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Like S&A a bunch and I'm still an ardent defender in light of the mass exodus of fans on this board who once seemed to like it and now don't. That said, Clockwork Angels is the better album. I'm really impressed they topped S&A and they did it with concept, aggressive, and melody. CA doesn't lessen S&A, however...it just helps enhance the latter's personality and fingerprint by being something completely different. I like that they didn't try to make a part II, and both albums benefit from that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Aug 23 2012, 09:23 AM) Like S&A a bunch and I'm still an ardent defender in light of the mass exodus of fans on this board who once seemed to like it and now don't. That said, Clockwork Angels is the better album. I'm really impressed they topped S&A and they did it with concept, aggressive, and melody. CA doesn't lessen S&A, however...it just helps enhance the latter's personality and fingerprint by being something completely different. I like that they didn't try to make a part II, and both albums benefit from that decision. I agree! I think both albums are wonderful and will both give me much pleasure for many years to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Aug 23 2012, 08:23 AM) Like S&A a bunch and I'm still an ardent defender in light of the mass exodus of fans on this board who once seemed to like it and now don't. That said, Clockwork Angels is the better album. I'm really impressed they topped S&A and they did it with concept, aggressive, and melody. CA doesn't lessen S&A, however...it just helps enhance the latter's personality and fingerprint by being something completely different. I like that they didn't try to make a part II, and both albums benefit from that decision. Agree, S & A was a great album with 9 solid songs on it. However, CA is much better by far! Its much more aggressive, focused, has a better tempo and it shows off their musicianship. S & A sputters and drags at times. CA showcases what S & A lacked. Clockwork Angels holds all the elements we have come to love about RUSH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Aug 23 2012, 08:33 AM) QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Aug 23 2012, 08:23 AM) Like S&A a bunch and I'm still an ardent defender in light of the mass exodus of fans on this board who once seemed to like it and now don't. That said, Clockwork Angels is the better album. I'm really impressed they topped S&A and they did it with concept, aggressive, and melody. CA doesn't lessen S&A, however...it just helps enhance the latter's personality and fingerprint by being something completely different. I like that they didn't try to make a part II, and both albums benefit from that decision. Agree, S & A was a great album with 9 solid songs on it. However, CA is much better by far! Its much more aggressive, focused, has a better tempo and it shows off their musicianship. S & A sputters and drags at times. CA showcases what S & A lacked. Clockwork Angels holds all the elements we have come to love about RUSH. I was just typing what you said As fans we did not imagine something of this magnitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 08:00 AM)Am I the only one on the planet? Welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I love S&A WAY more. I thought the songwriting was better. I also loved the whole folky vibe. And the mix is light years beyond what followed. I've yet to discover the magic of CA....I think it's a huge step down. It all starts to blend together and by the end.....my ears are tired. I like about half of CA. When I reach for CA....I feel like....Ok.....here i go again. I really don't want to but i'm gonna try AGAIN....sigh. Which is always a great thought process when putting on an album. lol I Just don't think CA warrants this kind of response....but it's all subjective. Mick Edited August 23, 2012 by bluefox4000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (bluefox4000 @ Aug 23 2012, 09:03 AM) I love S&A WAY more. I thought the songwriting was better. I also loved the whole folky vibe. And the mix is light years beyond what followed. I've yet to discover the magic of CA....I think it's a huge step down. It all starts to blend together and by the end.....my ears are tired. I like about half of CA. When I reach for CA....I feel like....Ok.....here i go again. I really don't want to but i'm gonna try AGAIN....sigh. Which is always a great thought process when putting on an album. lol I Just don't think CA warrants this kind of response....but it's all subjective. Mick Boy I guess my above post is wrong. There's two of ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (Lerxster @ Aug 23 2012, 09:10 AM) QUOTE (bluefox4000 @ Aug 23 2012, 09:03 AM) I love S&A WAY more. I thought the songwriting was better. I also loved the whole folky vibe. And the mix is light years beyond what followed. I've yet to discover the magic of CA....I think it's a huge step down. It all starts to blend together and by the end.....my ears are tired. I like about half of CA. When I reach for CA....I feel like....Ok.....here i go again. I really don't want to but i'm gonna try AGAIN....sigh. Which is always a great thought process when putting on an album. lol I Just don't think CA warrants this kind of response....but it's all subjective. Mick Boy I guess my above post is wrong. There's two of ya Proud of it. too Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 08:00 AM) Am I the only one on the planet? Its quite possible. Snakes is an abomination. By far their worst album. Listening to it is a good laxative though. I guess that's something. Welcome to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyali Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Well thanks for the warm welcome guys! I was afraid I was gonna piss some people off. Bluefox4000, I agree with your feelings on S&A completely. Couldn't have said it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 09:42 AM) Well thanks for the warm welcome guys! I was afraid I was gonna piss some people off. Bluefox4000, I agree with your feelings on S&A completely. Couldn't have said it better myself. Any time. we are in a minority, but that stuff never bothered me....I'm just interested to see if CA holds up in a year's time. m or if it's rep will go the way of S&A. People say no but i have my doubts. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyali Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Pound of Obscure No grey area there! I can't say there are any Rush albums I would call an abomination. I probably wouldn't even be here if I felt that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 09:48 AM) Pound of Obscure No grey area there! I can't say there are any Rush albums I would call an abomination. I probably wouldn't even be here if I felt that way. My Lord its horrid. Sorry. Some like it alot. I don't get it. FarCry is good. I pretend Snakes doesn't exist. It would be an ok Rascal Flatts album. Edited August 23, 2012 by Pound of Obscure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyRulz Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 08:00 AM) To me, Snakes and Arrows is just a better album from start to finish. I would put it in my top three all time Rush albums. You're demented, but welcome to the board. QUOTE Don't get me wrong, Clockwork rocks. And at times rocks even harder than S&A. "At times"??? That's all: "at times"??? Almost throughout the entire album! QUOTE It drags. Yes, Snakes and Arrows certainly does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 S&A is arguably the best Rush album, lyrically. Musically, it is mostly good There are some songs that suffer from poor songwriting motifs (Bravest Face). And some songs either drag or are only half up to the Rush par (Working Them Angels/Good News First, respectively). I give it a 6.5 out of 10. CA, however, is devoid of the mistakes that plague S&A (shoddy songwriting/dragging musically/half great songs). The lyrics are up to par as well. Plus, more is revealed through repeated listens, unlike S&A. I give it a 8.5 out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (Pound of Obscure @ Aug 23 2012, 09:40 AM) QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 08:00 AM) Am I the only one on the planet? Its quite possible. Snakes is an abomination. By far their worst album. Listening to it is a good laxative though. I guess that's something. Welcome to the forum. You are an abomination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyali Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Sorry. I'm not drinking the cool-aid. S&A is just a smarter, stronger, more sensible, well structured album. CA has tracks that are long, almost just for the sake of being long. It could be heavily edited, and maybe I would feel different. Glad to be here!! It's just great to discuss Rush with Rush lovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I like Clockwork Angels a lot more. Begining to end it's just the better album with really only one very weak spot (BU2B2) When S&A came out it took me a handful of listens to like it but with CA I loved it immediately. S&A hasn't held up too well for me since it's release. The only songs I listen to off it regularly anymore are Far Cry, Armor & Sword and The Way The Wind Blows. Everything else doesn't do much for me now. I guess the same could happen with the new album in a few years but this is the strongest album they've done since Counterparts, so I don't see that happening for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 09:00 AM) Am I the only one on the planet? Too me, Snakes and Arrows is just a better album from start to finish. A beautiful album. I would put it in my top three all time Rush albums. Don't get me wrong, Clockwork rocks. And at times rocks even harder than S&A. I mean, there's some pretty intense playing on it. But sometimes it seems to go a little too long. It drags. And some songs I'm just not crazy about. And I am a huge Rush fan, I've never disliked anything. But this one seems to have a little more bark than bite. I still am a huge fan of S&A. That release was a true positive milestone for the band and was a fairly unique release. I am still trying to get into CA as much as some fans here. Oh, well, maybe by next year I will see the glory of CA. It does in fact rock quite hard, but it gets tedious. I attribute much of that to the mix, which is a similar reason I don't get into Vapor Trails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (bluefox4000 @ Aug 23 2012, 10:03 AM) I love S&A WAY more. I thought the songwriting was better. I also loved the whole folky vibe. And the mix is light years beyond what followed. I've yet to discover the magic of CA....I think it's a huge step down. It all starts to blend together and by the end.....my ears are tired. I like about half of CA. When I reach for CA....I feel like....Ok.....here i go again. I really don't want to but i'm gonna try AGAIN....sigh. Which is always a great thought process when putting on an album. lol I Just don't think CA warrants this kind of response....but it's all subjective. Mick Yup. I keep giving it that ole college try as a loyal fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyali Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Thank you Gompers!! I have some supporters after all. Rock On! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Welcome . S&A is a baby diaper double stuffed with shit floating in a sea of mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (DistantEarlyRushFan @ Aug 23 2012, 10:29 AM) QUOTE (Pound of Obscure @ Aug 23 2012, 09:40 AM) QUOTE (tommyali @ Aug 23 2012, 08:00 AM) Am I the only one on the planet? Its quite possible. Snakes is an abomination. By far their worst album. Listening to it is a good laxative though. I guess that's something. Welcome to the forum. You are an abomination Child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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