ShlappinDahBass Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jun 21 2012, 10:11 PM) I didn't realize there were right wing nut jobs here. Do you really think a Canadian is going to give 2 sh!ts about some American underground movement? You probably think that Faithless is a ringing endorsement of faith. Give me a f***ing break! Y'all have a little too much time on your hands. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid... You do realize that Rush is a progressive band in the true meaning of the word? And that they are Canadian, which to Republicans are categorized as Socialists. I don't know whether to laugh or be concerned. Calm down, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Jun 21 2012, 07:35 PM)QUOTE (troutman @ Jun 21 2012, 11:33 PM) QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Jun 21 2012, 06:54 PM) And here I thought "Occupiers" had vanished into thin air (and hopefully back to work). There are no jobs, Whats an occupier to do? Look at the want ads in the local papers, craigslist, careerbuilder...something more constructive than simply bitching and pissing on the sidewalk. I know, I was being sarcastic. There to fu***** lazy and selfish. How dare they get off there lazy asses grow up and get a job. Edited June 22, 2012 by troutman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog_Bro Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) The Occupy movement lacked direction and certainly had some beggars and hangers on that detracted from the goals of the movement... But the whole 99 percent thing has some truth to it. I feel that it is an issue, when you have rich people paying less and less taxes and are still bitching about it while there seems to be a regressive tax system in the US even though there shouldn't be, there is something wrong with the system - especially in a bad economy. But this is a matter of ideology, I simply have a more liberal mindset in that aspect. As for Clockwork Angels, you can interpret it any way you want to, but Neil did not write it about the Occupy Movements Edited June 22, 2012 by Analog_Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (Analog_Bro @ Jun 21 2012, 08:23 PM)The Occupy movement lacked direction and certainly had some beggars and hangers on that detracted from the goals of the movement... But the whole 99 percent thing has some truth to it. I feel that it is an issue, when you have rich people paying less and less taxes and are still bitching about it while there seems to be a regressive tax system in the US even though there shouldn't be, there is something wrong with the system - especially in a bad economy. But this is a matter of ideology, I simply have a more liberal mindset in that aspect. As for Clockwork Angels, you can interpret it any way you want to, but Neil did not write it about the Occupy Movements Well, Those "so called" rich people create jobs and pay the most taxes. Look up the statistics. And these idiots have no intention of working for the good of man kind. There a bunch of lazy ass bums who are just causing trouble. BTW, have you ever received a job for m a poor person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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troutman Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Just move this to the political thread. It will end up there any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iluvgeddy05 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 This is nothing new from Neil. See: Mission lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aikenrooster Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (AndroidOnTheRun @ Jun 21 2012, 09:14 PM) I don't really want to get into this -- and PLEASE know that the following contains only my observations, not my personal political views, as I understand such ought to be left to SOCN -- but hasn't it long been established that Ayn Rand is not Neil's muse? Obviously he's still all about the individual -- which is why his lyrics have always spoken to me -- but he has on numerous occasions distanced himself vehemently from stalwart Objectivism. I would argue that Neil's last song to expound strongly upon right-leaning fiscal views is The Trees. Starting with Power Windows especially, he seems to add a measure of compassion beyond the individual that is not part of strict Objectivist thinking. My guess is the Neil of today is more skeptical of "Big Money" than of those who speak out against exploitation (real or merely perceived) by the ultra-rich . I do not presume that Neil would be in favor of or against Occupy, but I don't think that a (mostly) harmless group of protesters -- now largely forgotten -- are equivalent to the Anarchist. The character that Neil portrays has obviously suffered some real injustice in his life, but his hate has twisted warranted indignance to active evil. Most criticism I hear of the Occupy folks portrays them as having suffered perceived injustice that is twisted to active complaining... not quite as nefarious. I don't want to really get into this either, but your view of Objectivism is mistaken. There is NOTHING in the objectivist theory which denounces or advocates an individual having compassion for others and/or helping others, VOLUNTARILY. In fact, VOLUNTEERISM, is the essence of Objectivism, and Libertarianism, as opposed to COMPULORYISM, because it is more efficient and makes people happy. I guess to put it in laymen's terms, when you give voluntarily it makes you feel good as opposed to when someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to do something. Of course, maybe I misunderstand Objectivism and everything I just typed was completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBluePhoenix Posted June 22, 2012 Author Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Edited June 22, 2012 by TheBluePhoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionDetector Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 BTW...what the hell is occupy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Jun 22 2012, 07:53 AM) BTW...what the hell is occupy? I'm not sure, but whenever I'm taking a dump, and someone knocks on the door, I say, "It's occupied!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. P. L. Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) I got to say, I'm really learning a lot from this thread! And I'm not being ironic. It gives me a different PoW about Occupy, which has been presented in quite a different light here in Europe, mostly apologetic. The take I see here is quite similar to the view exposed by comic-book writer Frank Miller, who has been very vocal about Occupy. I would not call Occupy adherents "lazy" or "spoiled", I believe they have some valid points. And some major drawbacks. I'm going to answer only to these words by esteemed member Troutman: QUOTE Those "so called" rich people create jobs and pay the most taxes. If that's the way it is in America or Canada, you're truly blessed and that's another reason why I'm truly thinking of changing country. Here where I live, NO ONE creates job that are NOT underpaid or underdeveloped. The production mechanism is such that all the power is in the hands of very few "rulers" who are from rich, ancient, well established families (we call them "barons"). Outside that, you're expendable meat. Don't like it? No problem, we'll move production to China or East Europe. This is not creating jobs or creating wealth. Is about AMASSING wealth. In the hands of few. Just the way it goes over here. EDIT: Oh, and don't get me started about taxes. Edited June 22, 2012 by H. P. L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorshooter Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvgeddy05 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 See also: The Larger Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jun 21 2012, 10:11 PM) I didn't realize there were right wing nut jobs here. It sounds like you've never set foot in SOCN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadoood Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jun 21 2012, 10:11 PM) I didn't realize there were right wing nut jobs here. Do you really think a Canadian is going to give 2 sh!ts about some American underground movement? You probably think that Faithless is a ringing endorsement of faith. Give me a f***ing break! Y'all have a little too much time on your hands. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid... You do realize that Rush is a progressive band in the true meaning of the word? And that they are Canadian, which to Republicans are categorized as Socialists. I don't know whether to laugh or be concerned. SOCN is overrun by the right wing fan club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karena Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I believe Neil has also referred to himself as a left leaning libertarian. Those I know who identify themselves that way seem to be mostly people who just want to legalize drugs and prostitution. However, if you ask them about complex issues like taxes and gun control their ideas about freedom sometimes get a little murky. But identifying as a bleeding heart libertarian could be a way to distance oneself from some of the more extreme and nonhumanitarian aspects of libertarianism. Sadly, some people in the party seem to have no empathy and are unapologetic while others are very naive and idealistic. It's hard to be a balanced person and a libertarian, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jun 21 2012, 09:11 PM) I didn't realize there were right wing nut jobs here. Do you really think a Canadian is going to give 2 sh!ts about some American underground movement? You probably think that Faithless is a ringing endorsement of faith. Give me a f***ing break! Y'all have a little too much time on your hands. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid... You do realize that Rush is a progressive band in the true meaning of the word? And that they are Canadian, which to Republicans are categorized as Socialists. I don't know whether to laugh or be concerned. All Canadians think alike? Wow, I never knew that. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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