rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I don't know if I'm quite ready to say that Clockwork Angels is a better track than Armor and Sword, or that it's even as good in these early stages of listening, but it MIGHT be, and that is saying a LOT as Armor and Sword was their best song since Subdivisions. That I'm even considering it could be as good a song is remarkable! I have an absolutely ridiculous smile on my face whenever I hear the title track of the new album. The song completely kicks my ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's a breath of fresh air and a kick in the face all rolled up into one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 There are plenty of songs I like from GUP,PoW,Presto,Counterparts,T4E, and even VT I like better than Armor and Sword. It's a real good song but I think even Earthshine is just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 I love the winding way the amazing, powerful lyrics are sung, I love the guitar solo, I love how the song slows down after the guitar solo. The whole thing just works incredibly. By far the most (maybe only) progressive song on the album. As if to fly is the No one gets to their heaven without a fight of CA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I agree it's a very good song. I was hyped when I heard the first two songs from SnA. Not as hyped when I got into it farther. Still a good record but not one of my favs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's better than "Armor And Sword!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think S&A starts very strong and gradually weakens as the album goes on, with a few exceptions (ie MalNar), and not in exact running order. Ultimately this adds up to me really liking 8 songs and not being so keen on the rest, but even so, the other tunes aren't terrible, just not so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 17 2012, 10:50 PM) I think S&A starts very strong and gradually weakens as the album goes on, with a few exceptions (ie MalNar), and not in exact running order. Ultimately this adds up to me really liking 8 songs and not being so keen on the rest, but even so, the other tunes aren't terrible, just not so good. What is your take on "We Hold On" Pat? I always thought that was a great song to close out an album. "The Garden" is yet another gem to close out a Rush album. Hell I love "Available Light" at the end of "Presto!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 18 2012, 01:07 AM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 17 2012, 10:50 PM) I think S&A starts very strong and gradually weakens as the album goes on, with a few exceptions (ie MalNar), and not in exact running order. Ultimately this adds up to me really liking 8 songs and not being so keen on the rest, but even so, the other tunes aren't terrible, just not so good. What is your take on "We Hold On" Pat? I always thought that was a great song to close out an album. "The Garden" is yet another gem to close out a Rush album. Hell I love "Available Light" at the end of "Presto!!" To be fair it's better than Good News First, Faithless, Hope and Bravest Face for sure, and I suppose I might underrate this track with it being at the end and coming after a few weaker tracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 17 2012, 11:17 PM) QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 18 2012, 01:07 AM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 17 2012, 10:50 PM) I think S&A starts very strong and gradually weakens as the album goes on, with a few exceptions (ie MalNar), and not in exact running order. Ultimately this adds up to me really liking 8 songs and not being so keen on the rest, but even so, the other tunes aren't terrible, just not so good. What is your take on "We Hold On" Pat? I always thought that was a great song to close out an album. "The Garden" is yet another gem to close out a Rush album. Hell I love "Available Light" at the end of "Presto!!" To be fair it's better than Good News First, Faithless, Hope and Bravest Face for sure, and I suppose I might underrate this track with it being at the end and coming after a few weaker tracks... As usual dude I totally agree with you. "We Hold On" blows those songs away!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenger Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Well I agree that armor n sword is the best song on snakes.. The Canterbury style verse..that Cygnus chording in the middle. And the Signals-esque vocal on the chorus..great layering. Melody and harmony...that song is awesome... Nothing on test for echo or counterparts measures up to me...the one equivalent song prior to CA would be SEcret Touch....that song is emotionally amazing.... But CA has a magic about it too....so those three stand tall Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 18 2012, 01:21 AM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 17 2012, 11:17 PM) QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 18 2012, 01:07 AM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 17 2012, 10:50 PM) I think S&A starts very strong and gradually weakens as the album goes on, with a few exceptions (ie MalNar), and not in exact running order. Ultimately this adds up to me really liking 8 songs and not being so keen on the rest, but even so, the other tunes aren't terrible, just not so good. What is your take on "We Hold On" Pat? I always thought that was a great song to close out an album. "The Garden" is yet another gem to close out a Rush album. Hell I love "Available Light" at the end of "Presto!!" To be fair it's better than Good News First, Faithless, Hope and Bravest Face for sure, and I suppose I might underrate this track with it being at the end and coming after a few weaker tracks... As usual dude I totally agree with you. "We Hold On" blows those songs away!!! Aye... It's a faster paced song too, so it means the album finishes with a bit of umph, in a similar way to Grace to Grace at the end of My Favorite Headache... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Armor and Sword is a bloody awful dirge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Tony R @ Jun 18 2012, 02:00 AM) Armor and Sword is a bloody awful dirge. Hey Fonzie, it's METAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Tony R @ Jun 18 2012, 12:00 AM) Armor and Sword is a bloody awful dirge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 18 2012, 08:01 AM) QUOTE (Tony R @ Jun 18 2012, 02:00 AM) Armor and Sword is a bloody awful dirge. Hey Fonzie, it's METAL! Hey Potsie, in that case you found a new genre, funeral metal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Tony R @ Jun 18 2012, 02:11 AM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 18 2012, 08:01 AM) QUOTE (Tony R @ Jun 18 2012, 02:00 AM) Armor and Sword is a bloody awful dirge. Hey Fonzie, it's METAL! Hey Potsie, in that case you found a new genre, funeral metal... It works for me... Funeral doom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndseyG Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Clockwork Angels is unlike anything I've heard by the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclonus X-1 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I love the heavy guitars and haunting vocals in Armor and Sword. I think it annihilates Clockwork Angels, which ranks towards the bottom of the CA barrel for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (DistantEarlyRushFan @ Jun 18 2012, 12:09 AM) It's a breath of fresh air and a kick in the face all rolled up into one! I like this! The album is still new to me (only listened to it through twice so far, but I'm pacing myself!), but the title track is great, and your eloquent description sums it up nicely! And I like your line comparison with 'Armor and Sword', Goober. I still get little goosebumps when "No one gets to their heaven..." is sung, and I have a feeling it'll be the same with "...fly...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyRulz Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE Clockwork Angels is the Armor & Sword of CA! Oh, so that must be why I don't like it! "Armor and Sword" was total dullsville - plodding, unrelentingly midtempo, and went nowhere - and so far "Clockwork Angels" hasn't grabbed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg2112 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 18 2012, 12:07 AM) I don't know if I'm quite ready to say that Clockwork Angels is a better track than Armor and Sword, or that it's even as good in these early stages of listening, but it MIGHT be, and that is saying a LOT as Armor and Sword was their best song since Subdivisions. That I'm even considering it could be as good a song is remarkable! I have an absolutely ridiculous smile on my face whenever I hear the title track of the new album. The song completely kicks my ass! A&S is the best song on a pretty mediocre album....but no way is it the best Rush song since Subdivisions (!?!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) I love Armor and Sword. However, Clockwork Angels is a true epic and in my opinion their best prog epic written since The Camera Eye/Natural Science. Armor and Sword had epic qualities but never for me quite reached that status. The pacing was pretty much plodding the entire song (which works for what it is). An epic song to me is one that has twists, and turns or several different passages and pacing. They have not written anything close to epic since TCE. Clockwork Angels just takes you on a journey. It took several listens to fully digest it, take in the lyrics, get into the chorus. A tremendous song. And one of my favorites from them in the last 20 years. Edited June 18, 2012 by Todem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Todem @ Jun 18 2012, 04:36 AM)I love Armor and Sword. However, Clockwork Angels is a true epic and in my opinion their best prog epic written since The Camera Eye/Natural Science. Armor and Sword had epic qualities but never for me quite reached that status. Clockwork Angels MIGHT be as good, or potentially better than Armor & Sword, but it's just too early in the game yet for me to determine that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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